Carburetors Carb discussion and questions. Upgrading your Third Gen's carburetor, swapping TBI to carburetor, or TPI to carburetor? Need LG4 or H.O. info? Post it here.

street avenger stumbles

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 16, 2003 | 11:02 AM
  #1  
allboutspeed's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
From: Mandarin, Florida
Car: '87 IROC Z-28
Engine: Horse **** 305 for now
Transmission: 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 posi
street avenger stumbles

I have a 600cfm holley street avenger on a mildly modified 350 (medium cam, headers, mild head work, rpm air gap intake). Problem is under acceleration with anything other than light to medium throttle. It stumbles terribly until I let of the gas some, then it "catches up" and resumes acceleration. From a stop it takes off good, eventhough I can't give much gas due to traction problems. It is not the timing, which I know because I have taken it from one extreme to the other. Am I starving this thing or what. The carb is stock out of the box. Please help me beat the mustang crowd again.
Reply
Old Aug 27, 2003 | 04:06 PM
  #2  
Barry85Iroc's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 997
Likes: 0
From: Katy, TX
Car: 1985 IROC Z-28
Engine: 355
Transmission: TH-350
Axle/Gears: 3:73
Need to put smaller jets in the back half of the carb.
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2003 | 05:22 PM
  #3  
cp87GTA's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 745
Likes: 0
From: springfield,IL
Car: T/A / Grand Am
Engine: 383 SBC
Transmission: glide
Axle/Gears: 9" ford 5.67
Can you hear a backfire through the carb, when it stumbles? vs type carb? If it's a lean backfire, you may have to change the secondary spring rate and or pump cam on the primarys.
Reply
Old Sep 2, 2003 | 07:21 PM
  #4  
bohn333's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Car: 1987 Trans am
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
i would change power valves, get a vacume gauge and take a reading while the car is ideling and in gear, divide the number in half and add .5 to it, for example if you pull 12 inches of vacume then you need a 6.5 power valve. If the power valve is to stiff and theres not enough vacume to open it then, it won't let the fuel in fast enough to overcome the bog.

Check your fuel pressure to, if your running anything under 6psi then it will stummble at higher rpm's Get a good fuel pressure gauge and put it inline right infront of the carb, you want a steady 6 to 7psi at 3,000rpm.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 11:12 AM
  #5  
82camaro's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 2,860
Likes: 3
From: NE
Car: 82 camaro SC
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700r4
Stock power valve should be just fine. Sounds like it's more about throttle position that rpm. Fuel pressure is always a good thing to check. Street avenger doesn't have rear jets (AFAIK). Get the secondary spring assortment if you don't already have it, and try some different springs. See if that helps any. Oh, and make sure the ignition system is all good.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 03:28 PM
  #6  
Chickenman35's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 896
Likes: 1
From: Coquitlam, BC
Car: 86\92 Mutant
Engine: 355CI 430HP
Transmission: T-5 with mods
Axle/Gears: 7.625", Eaton Posi, 3.73
Re: street avenger stumbles

Originally posted by allboutspeed
I have a 600cfm holley street avenger on a mildly modified 350 (medium cam, headers, mild head work, rpm air gap intake). Problem is under acceleration with anything other than light to medium throttle. It stumbles terribly until I let of the gas some, then it "catches up" and resumes acceleration. From a stop it takes off good, eventhough I can't give much gas due to traction problems. It is not the timing, which I know because I have taken it from one extreme to the other. Am I starving this thing or what. The carb is stock out of the box. Please help me beat the mustang crowd again.
From what you describe I believe that you don't have enough " Pump Shot " on the Primary side.

You have an RPM AirGap manifold. The Air Gap series have no manifold heat and the intake charge run considerably cooler than the " Non-Air Gap " intakes. That requires more pump shot than a manifold that is heated.

Do you have an Auto car or 5 speed. Auto cars usually need more pump shot than a stick car.

Raely will a Universal carb work " Out of the Box " 100%. They usaully need some tweaking. Read this Tech Info from Holley:

Holley Accelerator Pump System

Now my recommendations.

1) Check the float level. This is the first adjustment that should always be done. Fuel level with the engine running should be just slightly below the bottom of the slight plug. 1/16" below on Primary side.... 1\8" below on secondary side.

2 ) Get some #31 shooters. I prefer tube type.

3) Get an Acclerator pump Cam tuning pkg.

4 ) Install the Blue Cam in the #2 hole. Adjust as per the Tech article from Holley. There must be no freeplay between the Cam and lever at idle....yet a minimum of .015" extra travel available at WOT. This will give sufficient pump shot and duration to eliminate your stumble. SBC's seem to like a hard " Fat" shot of fuel when you mat the gas. The base setup with stock Holley's is very weak.

5) Make sure that your Vacuum advance is connected to " Manifold " vacuum....not ported Vaccum. Set initial Advance at approx. 10 to 12 deg BTDC with the Vacuum hose disconnected at 700 to 750 rpm.

6) GO KICK SOME FORD ***!!!

Once you've dialed out the initial stumble you may be able to go down on Shooter size. Stock Secondary Vacuum spring should be fine for now.

Last edited by Chickenman35; Sep 10, 2003 at 03:33 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 05:41 AM
  #7  
allboutspeed's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
From: Mandarin, Florida
Car: '87 IROC Z-28
Engine: Horse **** 305 for now
Transmission: 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 3.73 posi
Thanks Chicken, I'm in there.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
RedLeader289
Tech / General Engine
10
May 28, 2019 01:47 PM
cheesehomer
Power Adders
91
Dec 31, 2015 08:48 AM
oil pan 4
Fabrication
2
Oct 6, 2015 11:56 AM
Cole Curtis
Theoretical and Street Racing
9
Oct 3, 2015 12:26 AM
86CamaroDan
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
2
Sep 29, 2015 10:08 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:11 AM.