Dustin Mustangs

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Does anyone have the twin turbo kit that gale banks sells for the small block chevy? I was just wondering what types of power it made and at what boost? I thought they quit making them but it looks like you can pic them up from these guys . Any experince or other info on this kit is appreciated.

subzero

they just released this kit within the last month or so and I am not sure if there are any out there yet or not..There are a few websites out there that have it advertised now.

B4Ctom1

I am currently and was already pursueing this with the owner of torque and chrome, and he is quoting me a price to post here to gauge interest. He is quoting JUST THE MANIFOLDS at my request. Banks Engineering has some of the strictest pricing contracts/restrictions for "advertised" prices for dealers. Since he is not specifically advertising them himself, he may not be able to be hassled by banks, since I requested his quote, and then posted it in a private forum. I have asked him for permission to post his letter here. stay tuned...

askulte

FWIW, the manifolds alone were going for around $700 a few years ago...

subzero

I believe that is right if I remember correctly as well..I am trying to see if my bro-in-law will be able to get me the "good guy" discount on a kit so i can be the guinea pig...would love to have one that's for sure:lala:

B4Ctom1

Im not going to be able to post his letter. Banks is more "evil'er " than microsoft and union pacific railroad when it comes to dealers pricing below the "set" levels but I can tell you this:


what I got quoted is a few bux under that.

see above link in this post for the company

B4Ctom1

but that guy is very concerned about current availability numbers

subzero

any idea if a group buy or something could be worked out through them?...I know banks is real finiky about price protection on the web,so your post does not suprise me.

B4Ctom1

although not specific in the first email his recent email eludes to it being under $700 as a 10+ group buy only

Dustin Mustangs

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Thanks for the replies...this kit is really starting to peak my interest. I can't belive more people don't make something similar.

Some More Questions:

Q1 - Which manifolds are you fellas refering to ? Intake, exhaust, plumbing to/from the turbos???

Q2 - Are we even sure this setup, as pitured, will fit in our tight engine compartments???

Q3 - Who, if anyone, runs this setup???

B4Ctom1

A1 -



A2 - it is actually designed originally for our cars.

A3 - I think if you look you can find someone, they havent been sold in so long (except older ones on ebay) its hard to say. I do remember seeing a few cars that are running the manifolds but not the "whole" kit. I suggest looking in the "show your poweradder sticky at the top of the power adder page, or go into the readers rides section and do an open search using "banks"

subzero

there are a few of the carb kits out there on guys cars and every now and then one pops up for sale.This new MPFI kit will work on our cars because i'm told that it is basically the same semetric type design as the old system so fittment is not an issue.I am keeping my fingers crossed That I can get the "hook it up deal" on this so I don' t need to save too much $$,considering that is pretty hard now with all the bills

torqueandchrome

Received the news today...It's good!

You can now get the Twin Turbo manifolds from the Gale Banks kit.

Here's an email I received this morning from Banks..

If you want the manifold kits I have them IN STOCK now ready for
shipment!...List price is $900 for standard port heads. We are also releasing a style of manifolds to work on the newer LS1 Fbodys and Corvettes soon as well, but I do not have a part # or price on that as of yet. Other components such as the wastegates,turbos etc will be avail as part #'s separately with pricing but as of now I have not been given that information as of yet.

The kit will fit in an 3rd gen Fbody as its original design that we made back in the 80's was based off of those cars.This new kit with the additional of its fuel injection capabilities will allow the kit to be adapted in a much broader application range,such as trucks, Corvettes, hot rods, etc.etc.

if you have any further questions let me know,but i can ship manifold kits now!

I leave you with this information, please contact me to get your manifolds ordered today!!

Dustin Mustangs

iTrader: (1)

So has this product just been reintroduced or is this a different system than the 'older' ones??? If it's different, can you elaborate?

Also, in the pictures from the above link it doesn't show much of the intake/fuel injection other than the top piece. Would all of that be included in the 6k price they quote?? Or in other words, is this a complete bolt-on kit?

Maybe I should call these people...

subzero

well,there you go guys..I will contact them If I decide to piece something together,but it is looking good for me that I will get the entire kit at a special price through My Bro-in law

torqueandchrome

The system that Banks' is introducing is a newer version, though the manifolds are the same. Banks introduced these Twin Turbos a number of years agao, and let the program go off the shelf over the past few years.

They have introduced a new version that can be seen a little more closely at http://www.torqueandchrome.com/350twinturbo

These systems are made for the TPI systems, and bolt on, but Banks' states that to make the system run "seemlessly" an additional purchase of an engine management system the "Commander 950" .

I am including an email that Ihave been sending out about the turbo package relating to some of the questions we have been receiving. Please note that the question of availability has been answered.

Hi,

It's Damian from Torque and Chrome. I wanted to let you know what I was doing with the twin turbo setups from Gale Banks, and how I will be getting as much information from Banks as I can regarding the parts.

3 top FAQ that I am trying to get answered:

"What other modifications do I need to do to my TPI Stock engine"

Banks includes in the information on there systems, that to operate "seemlessly" is the addition of this multiport system.

HOLLEY COMMANDER 950 MULTI-POINT FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM

These are complete systems engineered to provide all components and hardware
needed for your custom installation. The intake manifold, billet throttle body,
billet fuel rails, injectors and related miscellaneous parts are
factory-assembled and tested prior to packaging. Holley takes this extra step
in quality assurance to verify the performance, quality and integrity of the
system.

Holley Commander 950 System Benefits: - Vastly improved fuel distribution and
cylinder filling; - Excellent throttle response, drivability and fuel economy;
- Impressive torque and horsepower gains over standard carbueration; - Superior
idle, warm up and part-throttle driving characteristics.

Commander 950 Software: The Holley software included with the Commander 950 is
Windows-based (3.1, ‘95 or ‘98) and is much easier to use than software that is
DOS based. This software enables the user to program system parameters in real
time. Changes are instantly sent to the 950 Commander ECU or “on the fly” for
immediate evaluation. All sensor data is viewable from the fuel map screen. The
spark and fuel maps can also be viewed in a graphical form, which helps to
better visualize the data. Sample fuel maps are included to help you get
started. Fine-tuning, however, is required in all installations for best
operation. A data acquisition feature is included for evaluating on-track
performance.


Commander 950 System Features: These stand-alone systems are pre-assembled at
the factory and contain all components necessary for installation, including a
detailed installation guide:
Commander 950 ECU - control functions are accessible with supplied Holley
software and fully programmable with a personal laptop computer with WIN 3.1,
’95, ’98, NT.

Throttle bodies available in the following styles:
1000 CFM billet w/4-bbl square bore and 5” air horn;
2000 CFM billet w/Dominator flange.

Fits the following Chevrolet engines:
Small block w/23-degree standard port heads (early & late);
Small block w/Vortec cylinder heads;
Big block oval port heads;
Big block rectangular port heads – including tall decks.

Sensors - include throttle position, MAP, engine and air temperature, exhaust
oxygen and idle air control motor.

Wiring harness - designed for “plug-in” installation; temperature-insulated and
weather-sealed.
Separate systems available for naturally aspirated, forced induction (up
to 14.7 psi) and forced induction (14.7-29.4 psi).

Adjustable timing - is available with any of the following distributors:
Any distributor that has a “locked” mechanical advance and a magnetic pick up;
Any distributor that is set up to work with a crank trigger (either magnetic or
Hall Effect)
The Commander 950 ECU’s adjustable timing feature will also work with any CD
ignition that does not have timing control (such as HP Annihilator, P/N
800-100) if used with one of the above-listed distributors.
Base fuel maps available at the Holley Web site. http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechSer...o/950MAPs.html

Commander 950 Engine/Hardware Compatibility: 4-, 6-, and 8-cylinder engines;
Can operate as a “speed density” system; uses engine vacuum to sense engine
load;
Can operate in Alpha-N mode; uses throttle position as indication of engine
load;
Engines with wide fluctuations of manifold vacuum at idle due to radical cams.
1-, 2-, or 3-bar MAP sensors; naturally aspirated engines; forced induction
engines.
GM/Chrysler-style IAC motor - idle stabilization and control;
Knock sensor; - Will operate in either open or closed loop;
A closed loop system uses an oxygen sensor to monitor and adjust the
fuel/air ratio for optimum performance.
Port fuel injectors; - Controls up to 8 high impedance injectors / up to 4 low
impedance injectors;
Throttle body fuel injection systems;
Throttle body with progressive linkage; Throttle body with 1:1 linkage.
Fuel control for: - Initial cold start and warm-up; - Acceleration enrichment;
Start-up enrichment; - 16 x 16 fuel map.
Controls CD ignition timing; - Holley Annihilator ignition;
Programmable RPM scale.
Programmable fuel pump control.
ECU size is 5.5” x 4.75” x 2.0”.

"Can I purchase just the manifolds?"

Torque and Chrome is currently finding out how hard it is going to be to get
just the manifolds. If I am able to secure that they will ship quickly enough
(21 days) then I will do that as well. Please note that if the manifolds go by
themselves, the list is going to get bis as to who's getting them first. I
believe that there were issues the last time Banks' offered this setup, so
we'll all be finding out together.

"What about downpipes, and connecting the system to an exhaust?"

I am going to have to find that answer out as well. At least I will get a good
idea on how to do it better than others. I will let you know what I find
out...

Allright!

I hope this will at least let you know that we are working on the answers. The
systems are being advertised, we will wait to see what shakes out.

I will more than likely post what happens with this offer on a page you can
reach from our Gale Banks web page. That should happen over the weekend.

Thanks again for asking,

Damian Walsh
713-861-6162

torqueandchrome

I found this info online. I will help all I can with this issue, as it is currently "top of the list for me to do"

157-950-113 Holley 1D/2D Pro-Jection Systems $960.35/ea

157-950-100 Holley 4Dand 4Di Pro-Jection Systems $893.15/ea

157-950-103 Holley MPI Pro-Jection II Systems $951.68/ea

157-950-101 1985-92 GM TPI (tuned port injection) Engine Applications $951.79/ea

157-950-105 1992-97 GM LT1/LT4 Engine Applications $1010.29/ea

157-950-106 1986-95 Ford 5.0L EFI V-8 Engine Applications $1051.88/ea

157-950-109 Universal V-8 multi-point fuel injection $1125.41/ea

157-950-110 Universal V-6 multi-point fuel injection $1125.41/ea

157-950-104 Universal 4-cyl. & import multi-point fuel injection $960.35/ea

157-950-115 Universal engine controller kit for customized applications $1147.93/ea

Dustin Mustangs

iTrader: (1)

Wow, that's a mouthfull! Thanks for all the info T&C! For those interested, here is a link to all the holley fuel injection stuff mentioned.

How about a few more Q's...

-Is this system designed for a stock TPI long block?

-Are boost/Tq/hp #'s availible (or better yet info on a dyno run?)?

Keep us posted on all the other stuff, and thanks again for helping us neglected 3rd gen'ers get boosted!

torqueandchrome

No problem,

Here is a link to a page that Banks' has on the performance of their 800 hp "turbo engine package". I cannot find any dyno information from guys who have installed the system on their stock setup.

http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-performance.cfm

This package is designed for the TPI Long Block engine yes, but keep in mind that the manufacturer did not think about leaving extra room for a twin turbo setup under the hood.

I gues what i am saying is this, if you want to hook up a complete Banks Turbo package, then you have the correct application.

The time, and energy to make it work properly is yours, and the results are directly related to how, who, and how well the system is installed and then tuned, and then operated.

Pretty straight forward. No one said that power was fun while it was getting installed...Ha

Dustin Mustangs

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Well, I spent a while browsing the site you posted and I am very impressed with the new tt stuff you boys have going on over there. I do have to ask though...if the bottom two rows on this table were price and availablity, what would they say?

subzero

In my dealing with banks I have been told the following: the kit is a direct install for the Camaro/Fbody 3rd gen cars.The commander or accel dfi is the preferred engine management system to utilize with the TT kit.The manifolds are similar in design to the older style ones they had,but have been streamlined a bit more to increase exhaust flow.if you want to use it on a TPI Corvette or something you will need to have the boost tubes changed or fabricated to have clearance for the hood etc.Technically i have been told that the TPI plenum can be used if properly ported to allow for the increased flow with larger runners,manifold etc if the customer does not want the banks plenum assembly.Then of course you would need to fabricate your own boost tubes to run into the TPI throttle body,but it could work I suppose.the system is pretty universal in its design to fit many applications and not really an "application specific" deal (except for our cars) ..the Banks link that is posted on this threat was referring to the complete engines and their specs...not just the TT kit by itself....You guys want a complete banks motor with the TT it on it?...Fork out $35k...ouch!!!! I'll stick with the kit and built it up myself

askulte

FWIW, I'm running the Gale Banks manifolds (since about '94). The 2.75" downpipes and wastegate dump tubes were fabricated by Kooks Kustom Headers, and it fits pretty well. If you get just the manifolds, you'll need to fabricate the rest of the exhaust as well as the intake plumbing. It's not a big deal, but can be time consuming.

gixxer9

askulte,

DID YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SPECS TO KOOKS? AND IF YOU DID, IS THAT SOMETHING THEY WOULD HAVE ON FILE?

THANKS,
MIKE

askulte

Mike,
I trailered my car over there, and left it for a week. I don't think they would have jigged and dimensioned anything.

Andris

gixxer9

OK, THANKS ANDRIS!

SpectreGTA91

I'm new to turbocharging and I've been trying to do my own homework on fabbing up my own system, but I think that this system came out just in time for me and I'm very impressed. I noticed though that the accessories on the engine pictured have been moved around. The power steering and the alternator aren't in the same positions as the stock TPI as well as the belt tensioner. Will the kit come with the modified brackets to relocate the accessories or will the existng ones need to be modified? Just wanting to mak sure. Thanks.

subzero

you can either modify your existing bracketry and have a shop relocated the stuff fo you,or you can use their Bracket system to relocate everything.If you use their system i thnk it comes with a new alternator,Idle arm,water pump,pullies,and PS pump + the brackets..i do not know the price but I fugure with all that stuff it is probably pretty pricey..Probably be better off just to relocate your own!...

83 Crossfire TA

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They use the vintage air setup… and yes, it’s $$$... I think that it’s the same basic layout as the one covered in the PHR article a couple of months ago.

SpectreGTA91

Yeah, I think i'll be fabbing up my own brackets to relocate my stuff... I just looked at the Vintage Air system... it's slick but when I saw the price...

Thanks for the replies

subzero

exactly..fab up your own brackets and then get the Banks TT kit and you are good to go

Dustin Mustangs

iTrader: (1)

Banks has somewhat of an update on exactly what their new and improved sbc tt kit really includes. Go here for the pdf. I thought the compact front drive kit (with ac compressor!) would be worth a look alone, let alone the rest of the stuff. I realize that the public opinion is that this kit is WAY too expensive, but after seeing this pdf I'm half tempeted to call and see how much all of this really is.

Fred91GTA

Yeah, the turbo kit looks good... I've heard from some sources that the kit could cost upwards of 6000 bucks... I'm gonna get on the horn with Banks tomorrow and find out for sure. From the looks of it, you might not have to get the Vintage Air bracket kit. It looks really nice, but I think you could actually convert to a V-belt setup and delete AC and run with this kit.

B4Ctom1

I like some of the kits people have been building for themselves here.

87tpi

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Yeah I've heard that it's around 6000 for the complete setup.Everything needed to install.It puts out 1100 hp.

askulte

The 1100 hp will be when you run open 3.5" down pipes. Most folks here aren't. I guess I just don't want folks expecting to buy the $6k kit and then be dissapointed they only made 750 or something

Andris

Dustin Mustangs

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Yeah, 1100 is the most you can make using the cast manifolds. That's with an intercooler (extra $$) and 100 octane. It goes through all the hp ratings in detail in the pdf I linked a few posts above.

Dustin Mustangs

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I was just thinking, if this kit really is 6k I feel it's a hell of a deal. I think the complete pro-ram DFI with an application specific tune would be worth around 4k alone. It sells for just over 3k with no tune most places I have seen. I gotta call these people...

slow4dr

WOW!!! Back from the dead. I dont want to get in any heat from the site adm. but I have sold a few of these systems for 3rd gen's.

Here is everything included in the $5995.00 retail price. Keep in mind this is not a direct bolt-in kit for 3rd gen's.



I could probably arrange a group buy for this just let me know.

BTW: Torque and Chrome CANNOT purchase this product from us.


Jason

B4Ctom1

why, was torque and chrome trying to rape us on the price?


I have to admit I sure like the home made manifolds JYD and someone else made out of stock L98 manifolds. give me those and a couple HX-35's with the exhaust sideturbine housings swapped out for .69's or .58 for some of you smaller engine guys and you would be in prety good shape.

slow4dr

You would have to ask them.

B4Ctom1

then why did you say that?

slow4dr

They are no longer a dealer of ours.

Dustin Mustangs

iTrader: (1)

Looks like I was a little off on what was included. I can see how after the DFI and the front acc kit this could be a little pricey to get into. Add a longblock and you'd have enough to buy slow4dr's neon.

I agree with B4C on those manifolds having a uncany resemblance to some DIY's we've all seen around here. That's got alot to say about the homemade version considering what this kit is capable of.

slow4dr: Do you know what prevents this kit from fitting in a 3rd gen? And what the hell is that big spring for??

slow4dr

HAHAHA!!!!! said vehicle with said mods would annihilate my little old NEON.

Accessories & hood are the two main issues. Our TT system was designed to bolt on a 4150 bolt pattern T/B or carb. The pressure chamber and boost tubes pictured in the middle above are not used on a TPI engine. You would have to custom fabricate these pieces. Therefore pricing for the TPI would be less than $5995 due to not using these parts.

That spring in the back is for the "Shuttle Valve" or BOV.

Fred91GTA

Hey, are the twin turbo manifold from this kit still available seperately? Also slow4dr, are you with Banks? How much would the manifolds only be?

novass

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Any idea on the serp accessory package w/ac, ps, alt, etc. how much it runs?

askulte

I've got the banks tt exhaust manifolds, and originally had it on the the old 1989 L98 w/ TPI intake. The wastegates get in the way of the accessories up front on the serpentine setup. I had to move the power steering pump down about an inch to clear. The alternator was moved to the pass top, and I got rid of the AC compressor since it was morphing into a track car. Anyways, this winter I'm fabbing up new (larger) exhaust for it, and would be glad to sell off the Kooks downpipes, 3.5" y-pipe, and I've got a non-IC turbo to intake pipe I'd toss in to get someone started... Hood clearance is tight, but doable if you cut away some of the hood bracing.

Jekyll & Hyde

How much less?

CDN_87IROC

Slow4Dr: I see you are in So Cal. Does this package from Banks meet California emission standards?

thanks

slow4dr

Yes & Yes, they are available separately. We are trying to prohibit the purchase of separate parts though so pricing has gone up on the sub-kits. The manifolds currently cost $1795.00 by themselves.


It is the Vintage Air Front Runner system and you could purchase it directly from them for about $1600. In the very near future we are going to offer our own accessory system that has a few more options.


$1000, you will have to get an aftermarket BOV and fabricate your own boost tubes.


No, The system is for Off-Road use only.


:lala: