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Originally posted by vexter Hmm... Let's have a look see. This thread was posted on by about 30 different people. Of those, 29.7% showed some interest in seeing how they would look. 33% were vehemently opposed to anyone considering these lights. While 36.3% remained neutral about the idea. In case you don't know, 33% is not a majority and certainly doesn't constitute "almost everyone".
End of story?!? pfft...
neutral doesnt affect the statistics, so the opposed 33% is a plurality.....which means there were more, but not a majority.
i would also like to add that i find it disturbing you took the time to compile those statistics
Originally posted by 383backinblack neutral doesnt affect the statistics, so the opposed 33% is a plurality.....which means there were more, but not a majority.
i would also like to add that i find it disturbing you took the time to compile those statistics
*shrugs* I was at work. I found it disturbing you would overgeneralize in an effort to beef up your arguement. However, I'm more than willing to let it drop. Sorry if I've offended anyone.
Well, from the looks of this thread, i can see we have not gotten any further on the clear tail lights issue. Some like them, some despise them, who really cares guys? I'm not the type of person to go tattle tailing to the administration but this thread is rediculous to say the least. Now some of you are starting to bring in a damn statistics lesson! What is that all about? The kid got his answer, no they are not available and yes, people are "making" some type of attemp to create something that even resembles a decent looking tailight. Time to cut your losses guys and move on! Please
The more replies that are made, the more replies will be made to those replies....Nobody reply to my reply. And yes I know mine was a reply, but I was replying in order to halt any further replies...yeah....shhh!
I'm not one to comment on other peoples' exterior mods, but I will say that I'm glad altezza/clear tails are not available for third gens. If you want to make them, more power to you, it's better than riding down to your local r|ce shelter and picking up some badly molded crap and sticking it to the back of your car, then standing back from it and saying to yourself, "Man, dat's phat, yo."
Would I put clear tails on my 'Bird? Heck no!
Do what you want man, it's your responsibility to ignore any ensuing laughter
Originally posted by GNR4EVR I'm not one to comment on other peoples' exterior mods, but I will say that I'm glad altezza/clear tails are not available for third gens. If you want to make them, more power to you, it's better than riding down to your local r|ce shelter and picking up some badly molded crap and sticking it to the back of your car, then standing back from it and saying to yourself, "Man, dat's phat, yo."
Would I put clear tails on my 'Bird? Heck no!
Do what you want man, it's your responsibility to ignore any ensuing laughter
Originally posted by GNR4EVR "Man, dat's phat, yo."
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ALRIGHT its time to close this.. please! and really.. whats with the stats? come on mods... lets go... clean up here... no more watchin this thread... if other mods see this, IM the mod of this board... please
Originally posted by dans82bird Altezza's on a Camaro.... please don't let me find your car or i'll destroy them
thats not a very smart thing to say....trust me...
you mess with another mans ride...and you could be signing your death certificate..
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Yeah, iroc2nv, do you have any progress pictures? Rs_kid, any luck finding anyone else making up a pair? By the way, why isn't there this type of rage over blackouts? I personally feel blackouts are as nasty if not nastier (+trashier) than the concept of clear/euro style tail-lights. All blackouts do is dim light, and look like a crummy tack-on K-Mart accessory (in my personal opinion, hint hint opinions can't be wrong, they're personal preferences - I wonder if some of the guys saying "I'd kill a man with those installed" have some other tollerence problems as well ).
Here's a sloppy treat for the "haters"...
EDIT: For the record, I don't think these look good. But think a design similar to factory characteristics with a nice clear red lens rather than poopy diffused dull colored plastic would look nice.
Actually, I don't give a ratz azz what other people think. IT'S MY CAR... GET IT??? It makes me laugh when I read the weak azzed claims of "I'd do this" or "I'd do that". Snap back to reality people. :lala:
As for the Altezza's, I'd love to get ahold of a set with the dark grey lenses.
i still need the clear plastic lense for the complete effect...
no pics until i or someone can vaccu form something for me.. i dont think it will come of..so i may have to fab a set from another vehicle, (fox body stangs are pretty close as are preludes and integras..)
i still need the clear plastic lense for the complete effect...
no pics until i or someone can vaccu form something for me.. i dont think it will come of..so i may have to fab a set from another vehicle, (fox body stangs are pretty close as are preludes and integras..)
ill keep you posted
iroc2nv
Have you tried plexiglas yet? Or is that illegal? It's pretty to bend and mold.
I have only one question for you. I know what you do to your car is up to you, but I was just curious as to why you would take a car that was designed in a wind tunnel in order to be functionally aerodynamic, slap all that extra weight on it (including a non-functional spoiler... as opposed to the stock spoiler), and ruin the aerodynamics? What's the point in adding a spoiler that has no aerodynamic functionality on your car? Isn't that the whole point of having a wing on a car? I'm not trying to bash your ideas, if you want to get creative with your car that's up to you, but why not add mods that improve the car's performance/functionality?
Last edited by Rizock2000; 05-17-2003 at 01:25 AM.
Rizock... just leave these guys alone... im not flaming at ya... there is just no getting at these guys what so ever. Let them build there pretty lights and there huge wings... there no need to start another fight here when there not gunna do anything but preach there originality.
I'd like to point out to you, Rizock, that the aerodynamics of the car does leave room for improvement: at 95 mph, the nose lifts off the ground. The car was shaped as it was for looks. There are many different cars out there to try to cover the many different style wants of the public. If you can't find the car you want, you take an exsisting car and modify it, or build one from scratch.
The one thing I noticed about this place is that the under 25 crowd are soooo quick to rip someone because they are not following the strict stock guidelines. Maybe it's because they deal the most with the same age group that is style mod crazy right now. I'm sorry, a 305 or a six cylinder is not a muscle car. Yeah, it might be a Camaro/Trans Am or whatever. I've got the 5.7 and I don't consider it a muscle car. You guys who drive small engine third gens while pounding your chests and preaching stock muscle need to relax.
As far as appearance or "all show and no go" ... who asked for your permission? Once you own the car - YOU OWN THE CAR!!!! This guy paid for it. He doesn't need your permission nor asked for your opinion. Until you start paying for his restore/modification why don't you just shut the hell up. Maybe it's time to grow up a little. I'll be damned if I'm going to drive the same EXACT car as everyone else because some 19 year punk tells me that that's the "muscle" car way. Get over it!
RS, I may not agree with it but you'll never know until you ask. Do what you want until someone else foots the bill. It's your car and you paid for it.
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just a little side note... under 25? i would think thats people under 25 are doing the clear lights thing. Last time i looked into a high school parking lot, there wre more civics with clear lights in the student lot then the teachers lot.... its the people over 25 that have grown up with these cars, and some have seen been in a firstgen in 67. As a teenager, i belive that my generation is the dumbest, untalented, lazy generation ever. Why would they wana go throught the pains and trouble to make there car fast when a civic is just soo cool. anyway... im gunna go off and beat my chest about my car.... bye
I am 24 and I do not install clear lights on anything. They are not my preference. IF Iroc2nv wants to put clear lights and a wing on his car he can. Because it's his and I don't concern myself with what other people are doing.
As far as ripping on the 305 for not being a muscle car engine I would dissagree. I have rarely found anyone willing to race it that could beat me. Even stock.
Secondly the 305 like any other SBC has potential. Would I choose one over a larger engine? Hell no. But dogging the 305's gets old. Most of the thirdgens are 305's. They aren't as powerfull as the 350's, but stock 350's don't have alot over the 305's. There are guys on this board with 305's showing fourth gens up all the time.
I can agree that Iron Duke and 28/3.1L guys do need to chill. They got muscle car body with an engine with no nadZ. (TTA excluded.)
As far as the muscle car way goes. If you think about some of the ugly paint jobs and wheel combinations and even spoilers that was installed on cars in the 60's It was just as bad most of the time. But since most of us are owners of domestic cars we tend to ignore that. I have seen some ugly crap on domestics. Anyone remember the Superbird with it's super ghey wing?
They chromed the crap out of everything back then. The mentality hasn't changed. They used the common cars of the time to mod. They brought them personality good or bad. Truck owners have never changed. Chrome door trim and GFX look like *** on a truck. Yet I saw some Mexican outside O'Riely's siziing up big gey mudflaps on his Isuzu minivan (80's style). The thing was beat to hell and back.
Now most US cars are 4 bangers. Like it or not. So that's what people have to mod. Few can afford a top end Mustang or F-Body. So they work with what they've got. People gave other people in the 60's the same crap for having a car that was all show and no go. Same as today.
Domestic owners need to get off their high horse and leave the import guys alone. Sure the stuff is rediculous to us. But then again so are flames and big exhaust tubes on the side of the cars underneath the rockers.
People don't get it. it's the same thing over and over again. So I say if someone wants to put fart pipe and a retarded lights all over there car, get over it. At least your not paying for it. To some appearance matters more than performance.
I am ordering parts to restore my interior on my car because it needs it. I am doing this before an engine swap. Does this make me a *****? I don't think so. It's all in how you look at it.
I have only one question for you. I know what you do to your car is up to you, but I was just curious as to why you would take a car that was designed in a wind tunnel in order to be functionally aerodynamic, slap all that extra weight on it (including a non-functional spoiler... as opposed to the stock spoiler), and ruin the aerodynamics? What's the point in adding a spoiler that has no aerodynamic functionality on your car? Isn't that the whole point of having a wing on a car? I'm not trying to bash your ideas, if you want to get creative with your car that's up to you, but why not add mods that improve the car's performance/functionality?
to answer your question simply....its a show car, i made it to enter shows because quite frankly, i have never seen another camaro "done up" like this, so i have a real good chance at winning my class at shows, also there is a factor that people like to see something different every once in a while.....i didnt and nor am i going to build it for racing...mind you when the new engine goes in itll be quicker, but thats not what im focussing on..if i were to buy another iroc, i would not do the same things i am doing now..i would keep it in the "stock" appearance with minimal mods, ie rims, tint and a stereo..
but thanks for not boosting it out of proportion..
Iroc2nv, I don't agree necessarily with what you are doing to your car. Meaning that I wouldn't do it to my car. However I applaud the fact that you are going for something different and unique. Also the fact that you are not listening to what people are telling you to do with your car is great. Because it's yours.
Reguardless of the fact that I don't like clear taillights I still hope to see pics of your car in the near future. I am interested to see what you come up with.
iroc2nv...your camaro looks pretty cool...the altezzas don't look half bad...the rims look like something a fat black pimp would have (I'm not flaming African Americans...so please don't get mad...but in general your car, to me, is different in a cool way!
I have a 87' Trans Am...anybody have any weird, crazy, funky, cool, or interesting exterior mod ideas to make a Bat Mobile look like something other then Batmans ride. (Once again I'm not flaming Trans Am owners...I love my car and its look, just want to think about another appearence for it)
I personally hate most all R1CE ROCKETS I see...but people who want that look should have that look.
And another thing...anyone who is cowardly enough and doesn't have the balls to face another man, but instead mess up his car, is the lowest form of sh*t on this earth. I've had my car keyed once, and if I could catch the punk I'd kick his A$$.
I again apologize for pissing anyone off but remember...
"OPINIONS ARE LIKE AS*HOLES, EVERYONE'S GOT ONE AND THEY ALL STINK!"
granted some of you guys, are a bit closed minded, but that's a given w/ the history of the camaro over time. however, with the design of the 85-90 Trans AM taillights, clear tails actually look good, but most purists still wouldn't like it. my tails on my grand prix, are basically the same design as the trans ams, and over time the clear tails grew on me, and I actually like em alot. it personalizes the car. If I had a TA, I'd consider clearing the tails. but w/ the design of the camaros, I'd vote no. if you want clear tails, get a TA I just people around here would chill, I never come around anymore, but HOLY CRAP has thirdgen.org grown.
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I think the whole key is in moderation everything is ok in moderation if it looks good it looks good...just aslong as he doesnt put tire flys on....*** i hate tireflys
i say these lights are different but so is everyone and everyones opinion and everyones car as well. if everyones car was the same i wouldnt drive one. get what im saying.i believe hondas and acuras are bad *** cars but i would rather drive my camaro because camaros are better to me. my point is everyone doesnt have to like the same things.i happen to like all the exotic camaros as well as restored stock camaros equaly...........however those tailights probraly will never be made.have you ever looked into vette lights?
Whatever happened to making people turn their heads at just the sound of the car? Me personally, i am a fan of driving a car that looks good but sounds and runs better. Most people I run into that put so much stress on how good their car looks, or what body mod to do next are either so slow, why bother making it faster, or so fast, cant make it faster. If someone wants to try something new, by all means, have at it. I will stick to my "plain" looking 3rd gen with a not so "plain" motor.
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any word yet on taillights? How is the production coming along? I agree with some others here that the stock Camaro lights are ancient looking and there needs to be some kind of alternative! I would like to see some altezzas. I think they could look pretty good.
I really think they would look nice with my cowl hood and Predator body kit. Hope someone gets around to making them.
I have looked for them before with no luck. There was a company that said they would consider making them once if enough people preordered them...not sure what happened with that.
I don't meen to squeeze blood out of a rock, but the OEM rear lights are FUGLY. it would be nice if an aftermarket company would step up and design somthing with a little more style, it doesn't necessarily have to be clear "euro" style lights, but we do need somthing.
I personally thing that the one feature of those clear lens lights that is the cheesiest is the bright chrome finish... if we could find a design that goes with the lines of the 3rd Gen with a dark smoked chrome, carbon fiber or carbon fiberlike background they would sell like crazy... just my 2¢ worth...
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well being that i'm still up at 4 am and couldn't sleep, i had a little time on my hands and i came across this quaint little thread. It seems like everybody has their own opinions about what a thirdgen should look like. What a surprise eh? considering thats what makes people unique. Some of you guys must understand that most of the time no matter what you say/do is going to change what other people are going to do with their car. And that little fact has been brought up over and over on these boards about things ranging from where to get a paint job, to what to do with their taillights so GET OVER IT.
Personally I want to see what these things will look like. If they look like time was put into them and was produced carefully then i'll give it the big thumbs way up for effort no matter if i like them or not. At least the guy made the effort to come up with a quality looking product, thats what counts in my book
Originally posted by nikh23 well being that i'm still up at 4 am and couldn't sleep, i had a little time on my hands and i came across this quaint little thread. It seems like everybody has their own opinions about what a thirdgen should look like. What a surprise eh? considering thats what makes people unique. Some of you guys must understand that....
Thats a lot of talk coming from a guy with a pink vert.... pshhh. Well im still waiting. I wana see how "hot" these things are.
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Sorry for al the aholes on this board RS-Boy. I'm new to the board but not new at all to camaros. Granted this is my first third gen, but my fifth camaro. Most of these guys sound like they are just *******s that can't find the way our of their own garage. Can you believe that these guys get so uptight over something that they have never seen! I too am looking for a good way to mod my horribly ugly tailights that came our cars. I'm not a clear Euro guy light myself, but I've never seen them on a thrid gen. Who knows? They may look awesome. I really like your idea regarding blacking out the clear lights. I had a similar idea of buying clear lights and tinted them red to match my car. Virtually making the lights invisible. remember this is the same bunch of guys that think getting a set of grid tailights is the next best thing to sex. All they are is another ugly looking tail light. Instead of two ugly A## rows of ugly lights, you get three. HHmmm doesn't sound good to me at all. If these guys wanted a real sportscar they wouldn't be into thrid gens anyway. They'd be into first and second gens. Where the money and true style is. Oh yeah, you can by the lights your looking for for those cars as well. Someone mentioned history of the car. Give me a break. There are plenty of cars with a much better and more fascinating history than ours. I guess a lot of these guys never got out of the 80's. I bet ya at least 40% of them still have ****** haircuts, *** crack out the back, and about a sixth grade education. If you guys don't want to be insulted then don't insult others on this board. You should all be asheamed of yourselves. for all you know this could someone like Chip Foose, baldwin, or Yenko trying to get ideas. I bet if one of them were asking you'd have a different toon. The nice thing is any one of us could any of those people. So show some respect and show that you are at least a little educated!
wow....leave it to some California surfing butt boy to call us all *******s...yeah I agree you most have really been bored to bring this damn subject back up....but since were at it...
"remember this is the same bunch of guys that think getting a set of grid tailights is the next best thing to sex."
...wonder if matching#'s has ever had sex with anything except his hand...
"If these guys wanted a real sportscar they wouldn't be into thrid gens anyway."
...then why in the hell do you own one??? (BTW learn to spell dumba$$)...
"Someone mentioned history of the car. Give me a break. There are plenty of cars with a much better and more fascinating history than ours."
...yeah no **** alot of other cars have fascintating history, brilliant statement there! But how many people care about the history...I do...mine has a lot of memories with it...
"I guess a lot of these guys never got out of the 80's."
...easy for some who was born in the 90's to say...
"I bet ya at least 40% of them still have ****** haircuts, *** crack out the back, and about a sixth grade education."
...are you even out of elementry school yet?
"for all you know this could someone like Chip Foose, baldwin, or Yenko trying to get ideas. I bet if one of them were asking you'd have a different toon. The nice thing is any one of us could any of those people."
...Foose, Baldwin, and Yenko aren't ****ing idiots...they created automobiles for performance not style...thats truely an insult by you to some of the greatest auto tuners
Originally posted by matching#s Sorry for al the aholes on this board RS-Boy. I'm new to the board but not new at all to camaros. Granted this is my first third gen, but my fifth camaro. Most of these guys sound like they are just *******s that can't find the way our of their own garage. Can you believe that these guys get so uptight over something that they have never seen! I too am looking for a good way to mod my horribly ugly tailights that came our cars. I'm not a clear Euro guy light myself, but I've never seen them on a thrid gen. Who knows? They may look awesome. I really like your idea regarding blacking out the clear lights. I had a similar idea of buying clear lights and tinted them red to match my car. Virtually making the lights invisible. remember this is the same bunch of guys that think getting a set of grid tailights is the next best thing to sex. All they are is another ugly looking tail light. Instead of two ugly A## rows of ugly lights, you get three. HHmmm doesn't sound good to me at all. If these guys wanted a real sportscar they wouldn't be into thrid gens anyway. They'd be into first and second gens. Where the money and true style is. Oh yeah, you can by the lights your looking for for those cars as well. Someone mentioned history of the car. Give me a break. There are plenty of cars with a much better and more fascinating history than ours. I guess a lot of these guys never got out of the 80's. I bet ya at least 40% of them still have ****** haircuts, *** crack out the back, and about a sixth grade education. If you guys don't want to be insulted then don't insult others on this board. You should all be asheamed of yourselves. for all you know this could someone like Chip Foose, baldwin, or Yenko trying to get ideas. I bet if one of them were asking you'd have a different toon. The nice thing is any one of us could any of those people. So show some respect and show that you are at least a little educated!
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Hey, I dont have a ******.. I guess that totaly puts your rablings out of place. You should be banned for bashing the third gen!! Im sorry, but you can not and will not come in here, bring up a old tired thread, and then bash third gens saying there not sports cars!! You are ****ing tool you *******. Im sorry Metal about the cursing, but this kid has pissed me off. I cant stand this. Do not compare someone making tail lights to Baldwin or Yenko because both cars were not about looks, they were abotu pure power. How dare you say such crap on this site. Please leave the site. Mods please read this 12 year olds little speach and remove him quickly. Not a sports car? NOT A SPORT CAR!!
ok well everyone is pretty much bashing my car then cause i got subs and underglow and ****...so let me say we arnt wrecking american muscle as all you put it...we are just adding to it with the new generation we combined them...like we still got the big engines and HP but we add more looks to give it the hole car is sweet effect ...and personally i liek the plain clear tail lights that
Abubaca drew up i would do those i think they would look good...like i know everyone is intitled to there own opions but dont bash certain styles cause some people do have them or like those styles
Born in the 90's? I'd be 13 and couldn't drive. HHHmmmm let's see about looks. Baldwin motion, special beautiful paint job, great custom looking L88 hoods, great artistic emblems and matching attention to detail all around the cars. Chip Foose, probably one of the best men still alive to make a car LOOK right. The man is legend in his own time for how he can make a car look. Yeah Baby, with that kind of money the performance comes easy and bolt on. A car is nothing but a piece of art all around. If you don't think about looks with your ride then you are only half complete. You need to have a perfect relationship between performace and looks. I brought this post up from the dead because I couldn't believe how many people were slamming this poor guy for trying to do something that none of you have done. Hate is always something that needs to be addressed when encountered. I wrote that post to insight folks and put you in this guys shoes. I'm sure, in fact I know, that some of you are taking it totally personally. And I am glad. That's what was supposed to happen. How about this guy who thought he joined a group of car enthusiasts and wound up getting crucified. Go ahead an throw me off the board. I really don't want to be part of a group with such closed minds. A group that would attack someone for a new idea for their own ride. As a soon to be father, I would be ashamede to have my child see adults act the way many, but not all, of you have. At least someone out there may have learned something. I'd say that I might see you around at one of the shows, but you won't be there. Looks are nothing right?
Look, you came in here, bashed the car as a whole calling it a ****** mobile thats not even a sports car. Sorry if you have a L03 and get smoked my soccer moms, but the third gen camaro is very much a sports car. How dare you come onto this site and just start trolling around here starting fights. Sell your third gen so some kid can have a respectable sports car and mod it one day to make it better. Systems and street-glow lights are one thing(not much cup of tea) but runing the over all classic looks of the car is another. Baldwin, Foose, etc made tasteful visual modifications such as hoods to fit bigger engines, better exhaust for breathing, stripes to mark there car... but you have never seen clear lights for first, 2nd and I hope not third gens. 4th gens are different, too many rich teens getting gifts from mommy and daddy and they think clear lights look cool. As a 19 year old, I am ashamed of what my generation thinks of cars. My generation thinks civics and integras rule the road... its very sad. Please, clear alteza lights for a thirdgen would look horrid. They look horrid on all cars. I have yet to see one tasteful looking clear tail lights, either on production cars, or aftermarket. It looks like crap, looks cheap, and to me looks like an abortion gone bad. Now let this thread sink the bottom where it was and leave it.
You know matching#s, I have something here for you to take personally: Attacking someone's opinion isn't right for you to do either. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that crap. I don't ever defend all the closeminded opinions on this board, and I almost always welcome ANY idea, even if I don't like it. Yet, somehow, you felt the need to attack me along with everyone else. I own a thirdgen, and I like it. I don't have a ******, or a$$crack hangin' out. I'm not a *******.
The amount of knowledge on this site is staggering. Most people are respectful, some go a little too far. As a newbie, you certainly don't have any right to judge this website, or the charachter of it's members.
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I understand your opinion, but just don't generalize about us. Most of us are good guys, and for that matter, most of the guys ripping on this clear lense idea are good guys too, they just get a little fired up.
well. it seems that anything i try to use for the outter "shell" for my tail lights will not work at all...so..it is virtually impossible for me to make my own..i have spoken to apc numerous times about making the altezza tails for the 82-92 camaro..and they say the same thing over and over. "there isnt enough demand for it"
so..im going to buy a set of MUSTANG altezza tails, send it to the body shop, and get them to fab the MUSTANG tailights in, because we as a camaro community are getting shafted.
So in closing..i WILL NOT be making my own..i have reached out numerous times for people who could vaacuu form and noone has come forth to help me, so i am giving up after almost 2 years. I guess sometimes you cant do EVERYTHING yourself..
