bigchief

i'm looking to make a superram setup on my 355TPI, out of all the other intakes, i have chosen the superram, and i'd like to see other people who have this intake, and what cam/heads they went with, and how it has worked out. thanks!!!!!!

90-irocdx3

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here is my setup i am runninng a zz383 with a superram and my ghetto cold air intake.

bigchief

nice man. are you running the accel base manifold too? how much hp are you making? what camshaft? what heads??

90-irocdx3

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Iam running an edelbrock base because it is on of the few bases that can accodmate for th gm fast burn heads, also the camshaft is 222/230 duration and 509/528 fair idle cam on 1.5 rockers,eventually i will upgrade to 1.6. thanks

vernw

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Here's mine.....

Wishmaster's87IROC

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Im just curious as to what kind of times your running and your RWHP/TQ put out....

bigchief

yeah, me too lol

90-irocdx3

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I am not sure I haven't put her on the dyno since i installed the engine 11,000 miles ago. i was told, the car should run mid 12's. I think the horse power in around 440horsepower and 495ftlbs of torque at the engine.

bigchief

nice numbers, i like!!!!!

bigchief

anyone else w/ hp#'s??

86TA355SR

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Here you go. See page 2 for Super Ram pics.

1986 Pontiac Trans Am - Aaron's Pontiac

AFR heads/LPE cam. 13.1@106 on old motor.

IROCZZ3

A few years ago I ran a tried and trued combo- AFR 190s and LPE 219 cam with the Superram on a stock ZZ3 shortblock. Ran easy mid 12s without trying hard, with a best of 12.39 @ 109.

Buckeyroc on the board ran the same SR/AFR/219 cam setup and was a good bit quicker than mine, really low 12s i think and more trap speed.

86TA355SR

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When I get this motor broken in and a few other things done, I need to get a pair of slicks and hit the track. I know it has more left in it. Thanks for your input about that, I've heard a lot of guys say that also, and LPE thought it would do a little more also.

My new motor is basically the same as my old set up, but a blower incident caused this rebuild. I'm done playing with those, tired of breaking things all of the time. It was an after thought anyhow and I knew better. I liked the AFR/LPE cam combo so much on a 350, I decided to go with it again. Makes great torque and is more than enough to get you in trouble at a stop light! Plus, it idles nicely and is just enough cam for me.

My original plan was to buy a Bill Mitchell stroker, 427 or 454, but I got the deal of a life time from a local engune builder on the 350. Someone had brought the parts in and never could afford the machine work on the block. The shop sold it to me for thier machine cost! Score!

IROCZZ3-Where did you get the intake tubing to the throttle body? I need to find something like that also, I want to get it polished or chromed.

bigchief

omfg ta355, that motor/car looks AMAZINGLY sexy haha i want i want!!!!! ughhhhh all i need is a set of heads an the intake LOL oh yeah, and 2 grand

86TA355SR

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Thanks a bunch!

TPI-Formula350-

251.29 RWHP 293TQ stock heads and cam 13.21@104.x MPH

Julie Bergman

You're going to need a lot more than $2k! Impressive job! I have complemented Vern W. before as we have pretty much the same car and I have been using his as a guide. Mine's coming together later this year, I have just about all my parts. Found a used SR intake and runners on TGO! Will be running the LPE 219 cam. Can't wait to break my stock rear end!

86TA355SR

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Thanks again!

I put up another picture today that shows the clarity and finish a lot better. I like the site, will continue to update as I progress with the car.

Yeah, I have $1400 in heads, another $1000 (the cost at the time) in Super Ram, so I guess a little more than $2000 in the the top end, not including another 1200 in valvetrane parts.

Julie Bergman

And that's just the engine compartment! I have started collecting interior pieces from TGO and FFRAX folks. It is not terrible inside but some pieces are broken here and there. Got new Konis, big a$$ Flowmaster for a custom 3.5" exhaust, stock disc brakes added to new rear (had one of those non-disc brake ones in the WS6 package, folks said they "ran out" that year!) Spohn front end rebuild, new poly, T-56, etc. etc!

IROCZZ3

I got all the tubing here.....
http://store.airflo.com/

HTHs.

TransAm12sec

I just have pictures.

TransAm12sec - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

bigchief

transam, that looks very clean man. how much power are you making through it? what are your specs?

btw everyone, i bought the superram off jegs last night LOL i couldnt resist i got the accel base, upper/runners, and an extra set of gaskets. should be coming in soon, costed about 1200 all together ;x ah!

Julie Bergman

Is that what they told you? I have been on backorder with them for a couple months for the same items...need to cancel as I found them used on TGO as you will too probably sooner!

TransAm12sec

Those cars aren't mine, I just have a small gallery of superram pics.

The supercharged one is owned by JMatlock88.

bigchief

hahahaha weak ;x well, its still sweet though

it said 2 items shipped today..... i dunno about that backorder stuff

86TA355SR

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Figured out how to do pictures.

bigchief

well, i think one word can sum up that engine..... sexy

86TA355SR

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Thanks Big Chief! I kind of like it too!

bigchief

hahaha kind of!

86TA355SR

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BIG CHIEF,
If you are looking for a few more photos, I have some at this link. Thanks to VernW for posting them last year!
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/alte...super-ram.html

bigchief

haha oh man, that thing is absolutely ridiculous....

brutalform

Mine SR will be coming off soon, and going up for sale, as I have a converted manifold waiting to go on. Here is a SR pic though.

bigchief

wow cool man, thanks for the pic, but can you guys give specs like i asked in the first post ;x like cam/heads, etc....... thanks!

brutalform

My cylinder heads are Brodix Track 1s, ported. I do not remember the exact flow numbers, but they flowed alot, near 300 CFM on the intake. I'm using 1.5/1.5 ratio, Comp Magnum rollers rockers, and a Moroso stud girdle.

The cam is a "mild" solid roller from Comp. It has 564/570 lift, and 236/242 dur. @.050. It has a wide 114* LSA. The reason I went with a wider LSA, is because I did not know how to tune eproms when the engine was going together.

The SR would not bolt up to the large runners of the heads, so my machinist had to weld, and port the runner ports of the SR base. Now it matches perfectly.

The engine was dynoed with the SR, and ECM, with a less than optimal ASM eprom. It still made 498 hp, and 569 lb ft of torque, at the flywheel. I would imagine now its probably making maybe 520, at the fly. My car weighs 3565, with me in it, and it MPHs at 118.5.

burnout88

90-irocdx3 you are running a Fast Burn Vortec Heads with an Eldebrook Vortec base and Superram upper intake setup, Correct? Did you have an problems bolting the Superam runners and plemun to the Edlebrook vortec base? Was any grinding involved?

Just wondering

Thanks,

Kwik89GTA

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Here's my buddy's Superram Paxton supercharged 175hp Nitrous 355 right after it went in.....

bigchief

just wanted to thank you guys especially brutalform for your detailed descriptions, keep them coming!!! by the way brutal, what type of blockare you running haha........

i'm thinking about the following setup:

zz4 heads (58cc, 1.94/2.00, aluminum) 1.6 rockers
112 lobe, 220 duration, 470 lift cam
super ram intake
355 block
10:1 compression

what do you guys think? how much power would that setup make about?

90-irocdx3

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no i didn't have any problems because edelbrock came out with a new base that fits the vortec heads.

cam406406

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dont bother with a sr convert a single plane much better

88Convertible

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Wow, There are some nice looking pics in this thread.

Not the best pic,

383 full roller motor
L98 block 11.1 comp
dart pro 200 heads max ported
1.6 roller rockers
cam 242/248 584/579 113 lsa
maf delete, just there for looks, also after the maf the stock filter box is gone, I put in a crome tube with a k&n cone filter.
Accel super ram complete kit. with gen 7 computer.
After alot of research on this intake and hearing and reading major problems about it. I found that most people having problems were the ones trying to piece them together. So i decide to pick up the whole kit. Well worth it.

Making 480hp / 548 ft lb`s torque on a crappy tune.

Were hoping after more tunning for over 500 hp and would like to put 420 +to the wheels

bigchief

wow 88, very VERY impressive numbers, any comment on my last thread? thanks for the post btw

brutalform

Yea, I never had a problem either. I'm using all Accel, base runners, plenum.
Nice numbers!! That Gen7 is working well I see. That cam is larger than the one I am using in my 436. Thats a max effort 383 there. Have you ran it at the track?

88Convertible

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Thanks guys.

Yes, Even I was very impressed with the numbers, Its definatly a very stout 383, The gen 7 does work well, The pro key lets you get into some serious tuning. Cant wait to go back to get the final tune on it.

Havent been to the track yet, as the motor is new this year. Took me over a year to research and build this thing.

My short block and heads were built and ported by Westech out of silver lake wisconsin. He builds some serious power.
I have a friend of mine that had his motor done by him, He has a 69 charger with a 440 in it. Built to 505 cubic inch monster, he makes 565 rwhp with stock heads and intake. ported to the max of course.

He`s alittle pricey but he backs everything he does 100%.

But anyway. brutalform, Im really liking your numbers also especially with that cam.I was looking at it. But i wanted more. lol I love it when people tell me I cant be making that kind of power on this intake. lol
Some people just dont realize, these intakes flow great even unported or honed.
I would be alittle disapointed if I wasnt easy low 12`s, maybe crack 11`s
I can wind this thing out to 7000 rpm

Bigchief, I would guess and say you should make 400 hp, but your torque should be wicked.
Get them heads ported if you can, even a mild port job will make a huge difference.
Which ever way you go, Good luck with it and have fun.

This stuff is addicting, Im already planning my next one, which starts with the ls2 motor i have sitting here.

bigchief

haha oh man, these numbers are REALLY making me anxious to get my system up and running only a few questions for you guys

1) will my 2000 summit stall give me a problem?
2) will my stock MAF sensor give me a problem?

this is assuming i have everything that i said in my 2nd to last post

brutalform

1) Depending on the cam profile, most likely. A bit more converter will not hurt.

2) No. Alot of people are making big power with a stock one.

bigchief

awesome, thanks a lot

bigchief

update on the super ram from jegs:

i just called, they said they will be getting them the 2nd week of october, which means i should have it by the 3rd ill keep you soldiers updated, i think i'm going to just go with a cam kit from summit with cam/lifters/springs, and just throw the springs into my zz4 heads with the 1.6 rockers, just not sure EXACTLY which kit ill get...... we'll see. for now, ill probably just throw the intake on and see how it performs on my block right now, which is 305 heads, and basically a stock short block, 202duration 424 lift hydraulic flat tappet cam 10:1 compression

88Convertible

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Thats great news. Yes, definatly keep us posted.

My only suggestion is before you put it on the motor, put it together on your work bench first. Just snug the bolts down and make sure everything fits really nice. Gets you familiar with it alittle too.

When you go to put it on the motor just take your time. it will get alittle frustrating, as some of the bolts are alittle tough to get to, you will see once you get going. the injectors are in the way, rockers, ect.

What i did was bolted the runners down to the intake to proper torque specs first. Then i put the top on, usuing alittle rtv on the runner to plenum gaskets, both sides, just a small bead. Then i just snuged all the bolts, then tightened down.
I forget what the torque specs are off the top of my head, but you will never get a torque wrench in there, So I just tightened down the best i could.
Then installed the top, which I tighted all the bolts by hand to.

I didnt have to grind anything, or slot the bolts, ect. I just took my time.
I have taken this thing apart acouple time now, Not my favorite job, But it just takes time.

Hope this helps alittle.

bigchief

of course it helps.... thanks a lot! i was already planning to put it together on a workbench before hand, but thank you for your advice. i will definetly keep everyone posted on my progress once i recieve the upper part of the intake. thanks again everyone

vernw

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YES!!! Definitely do a dry run bench assembly. Tighten down each runner to lower intake bolt one at a time and make sure it tightens the runner down. Then back that one off and try the next one.

Reason I say that is some of the lower intakes holes were shorter on mine than the bolts and not all bolts were actually pulling the runners up tight to the intake manifold. Result was several vacuum leaks that took a while to discover (several months!).