articwhiteZ

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lots of room with my cal hood. and the sensors are plug and play.

they also make a plug and play efi set up fot the 6-71 i picked up,
new for this year. it's next on the shopping list.

check it out!

woody80z28

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Bought the Hurricane manifold. We'll see how it looks in hand. Looks like I have the Accel one sold.

anesthes

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Did you get their rail kit? I used the holley rail kit, which has the LT1 style regulator. I had to run the right rail backwards (regulator to the front of the engine) because the outlet on the regulator hit the distributor cap. (small dizzy).

A 1/2" spacer provided more than enough fuel rail clearance for the throttle linkage. If I finish my y-pipe this weekend the car will move under it's own power.

-- Joe

woody80z28

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Yup, got the Procomp rail kit. Gonna take off the ugly red anodizing with oven cleaner. haha

Gonna go adjustable reg for more control. Any suggestions for an aftermarket piece that won't kill the budget? On my carb setup I used a Holley deadhead drilled out and converted to return. I assume I can't just use a heavier spring in that, although that would be ideal.

I'm not expecting any throttle linkage clearance issues with the Eddy TB. The linkage is tight to the carb pad.

Here's the reg. Drilled it out and pressed in a 3/8 fuel line inside that seals to the diaphragm. Feed fuel flows right past it unrestricted and only dumps return fuel when the pressure overcomes the spring.

anesthes

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Just need a -6 regulator on the return line. The cheap chinese ones are 40-70 and adjustable.

Are you using the accel harness and ecm?

-- Joe

woody80z28

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Found this one on Summit that looks decent.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-220066/

Yes, Accel harness and ECM.

anesthes

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Yeah that is a summit branded chinese one. Save about $40 by getting an ebay version:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFI-HIGH-PRE...96448e&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFI-2-Port-F...936ca2&vxp=mtr

How is the Accel software? I switched to Megasquirt recently and I'm still psyched over the interface and it's functionality.

-- Joe

3genpio

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Woody of course you have sold the Accel

woody80z28

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Haven't gotten to play with it yet. Been busy with the house and the truck. But this winter I will spend some time with it. I like that it gives you a base VE map by plugging in a few parameters like CI, CR, intake valve size & head type. Should be close enough for a decent start on the tune. Building from scratch OBD1 didnt sound like fun. hahaAnd it gives you a programmable target A/F for each cell. So if you want light cruise to be a little lean you can, etc.

woody80z28

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Yes indeed. Thanks, Peter.

anesthes

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Yeah that is how the megasquirt is and one of the contributing factors in me switching to it.

Make sure to post back pics of the intake and measurements when it arrives. I'm curious if it's the same as mine.

-- Joe

woody80z28

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Yeah, I'm going to document it for anyone else who is interested - since the measurements on the item are incorrect. Be nice to see what it looks like without "KMJ" plastered all over it! haha

woody80z28

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They definitely photoshopped the listing picture. The casting looks like CRAP and it does say Procomp on the front. I'm thinking about returning it. I'll get some pics up tonight.

Joe, how does the casting look on your polished version? I'm thinking it might be worth it to get the polished that already has casting flaws fixed and then paint it. I hate shiny, but the casting looks like crap on this one. And the Procomp on the front would be easy to fill with JB Weld and sand smooth.

I did that a couple years ago with a 3400 SFI intake for my Beretta since with OBD1 the engine was no longer SFI. And I really liked the custom look. I might even be able to engrave something in the Hurricane intake.

anesthes

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The Polished was only $10 more and all the crappy casting flash was ground smooth. The only thing I did was spend 10-15 minutes with some sanding rolls to knock off a little flash in the runners, but it was minimal. Overall it looked nice. Port alignment was good.

What do the ports measure out at ?

Nothing wrong with it saying pro-comp. It was probably made in the same foundry as a $400 "us" intake.


-- Joe

woody80z28

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Polished must have gone up in price because it's $199 at KMJ and the satin was $168. Or did you get it somewhere else?

I will measure it tonight when I get home. I just took a quick peek at my lunch break when I saw it was delivered.

I don't want my intake saying anything...be it Accel, Edelbrock or Procomp, etc. Edelbrock is a pet peeve of mine now putting their logo and a huge USA on it. I want to detail the engine my way, without advertising.

anesthes

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Yeah PC2038. Apparently it went up. Mine was like $180 shipped to my door a few months ago.

-- Joe

woody80z28

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The 1.2 x 1.95" port they told is about right on the money. Carb pad height is 6" and the runners are about 5-6" long from the dividers to the end of the port depending on cyl 1 vs. cyl 3, etc.

anesthes

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That casting visually looks like crap. I guess you should try to pick up a polished version, then just bead blast it if you want the rough cast look but without all the pits and parting lines.

I swear the ports on mine were bigger..

-- Joe

woody80z28

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I'll call them and see what my options are. Worse case scenario I can clean it up myself and sandblast it. Most of the really ugly spots won't be very visible once everything is installed.

77nomad

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The rough edges in the corners are from the sand molds chipping off before they poured it. I work in die cast so... Looking at it, the only parts that look bad to me are the parting lines. I don't see any porosity. The 8yr old that poured it probably had a hard time holding a ladle with that kind weight in it and poured too fast. The 5yr old that was standing on the molds to hold them together may have been bare foot and had to jump off before solidification could occur. The flash sucks but that looks like it will clean up with a cart roll real nice. The ding in that boss near the dizzy hold down sucks ***.

I have a Victor JR I am converting right now and if it doesn't turn out as planned I will pick up a polished one for sure. I can have mine repolished at work for free as I do like mine shinny.

If it makes you feel any better my buddy just got a GMPP intake for a Ls 6.0 we are working on. That thing looks like pure ***. The surface finish doesn't even look like a fresh casting. It looks like someone bead blasted it in a cabinet that the bead was worn out and has that dull second had intake look to it. Its almost bad enough to not pop the hood.

articwhiteZ

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a few dollars more. but its Plug and Play, no clean up needed. if your looking to run over 420 cid
then your good to go,

woody80z28

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Yeah, that Motown is head and shoulders above the Hurricane. I've had a lot of tire kickers on my 355 for sale locally, but no cash. So the top end might just end up on the 355 to save a lot of dough. We'll see with some more time.

I got the ProComp rail kit as well, and it also leaves a bit to be desired. Not real impressed with the quality...but after some time chasing the pipe threads it should function fine.

I checked hood clearance with my current AirGap carb setup and it is exactly the same as the Hurricane tb setup, because the carb requires a 3/4 air cleaner spacer to clear the fuel inlet. So I'm good to go there. About 1" of clearance, so I could add another 1/2-3/4 and be ok.

anesthes

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But the motown intake is $489

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ACC-74139/?rtype=10

The hurricane is $168, and fuel rails are $55

$223 vs $489, thats $266 more or more than twice as much.

For the money I'd rather spend 10-20 minutes with the sanding rolls then it's plug and play too.

-- Joe

woody80z28

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Took the ugly anodizing off with oven cleaner and Photoshopped them black. I like the look.

86TA355SR

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I wish that was sitting on my work bench.

Been following this thread daily, great info!

articwhiteZ

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ya get what ya pay for. when it come to import parts,

ya can buy a import part, spend the money and time, to get it to hopefully work almost as good, as one made in the USA, and known to work, just by bolting it on.

at what point do you say, ill go cheap and try to go Fast.

or ill buy the best parts money can buy..and go fast,
a few bucks in the right place. works every time.

but there is nothing wrong, with the do it, your self, out look,
ya can always have fun.working on a intake, to get it to look almost as good has one you could just buy,

on a side note: i would take a bit longer, then 15 to 20 min, to fix.
just the port placement.

anesthes

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That is all it took me. Look a few posts up, I outlined a 1206 over the port. I had to take a little bit off the outsides of the runners, and I made the radius a little more pronounced, then checked it against my AFR 210s.

Sometimes made in USA = better part. But not always.

I used this to replace an expensive Holley intake because the USA made Holley didn't have enough material to cover a 1206 port without a huge vac leak!


-- Joe

articwhiteZ

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YA I dont use holley, intakes my self.
i just buy the ones that fit and work from the get go.
lets me spend more time working out probs i cant buy my way out of.
this way i can pick the probs i want to fix, saves the PITA factor.

like now wanting a tire thats 29" tall with a foot print of 13" wide on a 15 rim, cant make one myself.....yet

Tibo

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Let me know if you need any files or help getting any parameters set.

woody80z28

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Sold the 355 for $1700 complete and decided to go with a forged 383 rather than a 421. I figure if I keep hp under 550 or so my built 8.5" rear should survive. haha Now we'll see if the T56 holds up.

articwhiteZ

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have alot of good 383 hard parts all sfi crt. flexplate/oil pan (7qt milodon)
fluid damp. just getting dusty

woody80z28

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Bought a whole kit with all that included.

anesthes

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What did you end up doing for heads?

-- Joe

woody80z28

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Local guy (well almost local - Albany) had a pair of #1034 Eliminators for sale. I checked the straight plugs on my new headers and they will be fine. Saves me a few hundred more bucks.

Scraping it all together for $4000. I'm sure there will be a few bucks here & there, but overall I think that's decent for 500 EFI hp.

anesthes

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Nice!

I fired mine up yesterday. My only complaint is that, for whatever reason the air rushing into the iac passage is so loud it sounds like an air raid siren. You can hear it from about a mile away

-- Joe

woody80z28

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My truck has a loud IAC, too. Not sure why.

Camaro is in storage for the winter while I work on some Beretta projects. Looking forward to doing the EFI swap this spring though!

cuisinartvette

Thought abot the hurricane just worried about stuff like are the flanges flat, distributor pad flat/proper position to avoid issues etc. Stuff like that can happen with off shore pieces. I bet it works good with the runner layout and plenum design. Motown superb piece no doubt.

anesthes

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I put together a 355 two weeks ago. Performer RPM air gap. Needed to machine the crap out of it to fit. "Made in America"...

-- Joe

cuisinartvette

Thats surprising. You would think to expect more from Edelbrock

From looking at the Hurricane more it just appears to be too damn big for the avg sbc but you never know.

Has a rounded look to the carb pad as opposed to the trad. Square/cloverleaf designs of modern pieces.

What Id give to hav ethe budget and time for endless dyno time lol.

woody80z28

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I picked up that 383 a couple weeks ago and had to see what it would look like! haha

kanexpl

So if the Pro Comp port size is 1.90 x 1.25, Is this close enough to run with a 1204 size gasket? From what I found, a Felpro 1204 is 1.95 x 1.23. That's only a .01 lip on the edge of the port.

77nomad

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I used to have that timing cover. It leaked because the center stud across the bottom was too close the the stamped edge to get the nut on. I hated it with a passion trying to get it to stop leaking. Is that the motor you likned to over on Nasty? Skip White IIRC?

woody80z28

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Haven't bought a gasket to throw over the ports. I was thinking 1205, but maybe the 1204 would be better.

The 383 is a used short block I picked up that still had all the receipts. I'll take a look at the timing cover and see what you're talking about. The engine was pretty oily when I picked it up. I'm going to freshen it up with new bearings & gaskets.

robertfrank

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Subscribing to this thread as I just purchased one of these manifolds today. I will be porting mine to the 1205 gasket because my LT1 heads are already ported to it. In hind sight though the "stock" LT1 gaskets are VERY close to the 1205 already so I could've just left them alone lol. I'm also going to clean up the base area some to help promote a little smoother flow. I'll post pics when the manifold comes in.

woody80z28

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Picked up a regulator for it recently and was trying to figure out the best way to mount it. I'd like to throw it right on the rail. I've read on pro-touring that it works best with a Y to feed both rails from the front, and then link the back of the rails with the regulator to return. I was thinking 45* fittings at all except the pass front rail for the feed. And maybe a 90 on the return line. In theory it should work fine, but I wonder if it would make any difference that the length of the driver lines and rail would probably be about double the pass side.

Originally I wanted to just link the front of the rails and feed one from the back and return out the other rear one. But I saw some posts where people had PSI fluctuations that way.

woody80z28

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And I forgot to ask, what are you running for braided fuel hose? The Summit braided stainless/rubber hose I had degraded in only a few years. I'd like to run braided PTFE this time and see Summit sells it, but wondering if anyone else has experience with the teflon stuff. I've read good & bad about frozenboost...so if you have any info on that either, that would be good to hear.

robertfrank

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One question I have is what Throttle bracket are you guys using for the 700r4 with this?I NEED one lol.

woody80z28

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I'll need a throttle bracket too. I had one for a carb I thought would work with this TB but it wont. What is everyone else using?

anesthes

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I was using a holley TB and bracket, but have since switched to an elbow and a 95mm LS2 throttle body.

-- Joe

woody80z28

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Got a part number by chance? I can fab something, but everything looks so pretty right now I'd rather have something that looks good.