Auto Detailing and AppearanceTips and tricks on how to make your Third Gen shine! Get opinions on products or how something looks on your Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird.
Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.
You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!
That's tooo cool. I would love to have one of those (I would paint it thought) but thing of the weight and strength. If only they made as much CF stuff for our cars as they to for the stupid imports.
Anyone know who makes that [w/o the ducts]??????????????????????????????????????????????
Probably custom made. I dont know if you can find people locally who can make stuff like that. Like stated above, CF stuff is usually made for/by the import crowd. We have a few guys oiver here in Hawaii that can do custom CF work. One guy redid the ENTIRE body of his BMW M3 in CF. Quoted me $800 to make a CF version of the K1 Evo II hood. Once I get the Evo II on the car (later next year) I'll be giving that guy a call. I also asked what he would charge for a stock replica in CF and he quoted me $550. A little more than the CF hood for Imports because our cars are physically bigger.
Also, if you do find people who can do this, really check the quality of their work. If they dont do good quality work your hood will be weak.
Ive never seen one on our cars before and to be honest I dont think it looks that great since our hoods are so big. I just have to say that I love your car CrazyHawaiian
__________________ 1988 Trans Am GTA
5.7 L98
700R4
3:27 posi rear
Aluminum Driveshaft
Engine: Holley Stealthram, Accel 24lb Injectors, Msd Superconductors, Ceramic Coated Edlebrock Headers, Gutted Cat, Hooker Catback, TPIS Airfoil, 160 Stat, Jet Cooling fan Switch, LSracing Custom PROM
Trans: Probuilt Street/Strip 700R4, Edge Racing 9.5 inch 2800 Stall Converter, Energy Suspension Poly Trans Mount
Chassis: Spohn SFCs, Spohn LCAs W/ Relocation Brackets, TDS Wonderbar, and a set of Nitto Drag Radials to plant the power.
Best ET 14.5 Best Mph 96.5 ( no new times since intake, chip, new trans or converter) http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2068044/1
Originally posted by Rage13 i still don't see why every one likes the way carbon fiber looks...
Finally someone who agrees with me. I just can't see how people go so ape-**** over that stuff. IMO it just looks ugly. I want the hood to match the rest of the car, not stick out like a sore thumb.
$550 is not bad for a custom hood
Like someone else said i don't see them lookin good on a 3rd gen.
on imports they look alright, of course most imports are way "louder" in style so it looks good with contrasting hood/body.
on a camaro, the loudest you will get on your body would be big fat double racing stripes.
biker
...on probation
__________________ 88 IROC-Z 350 TPI
Black on Black, T-Tops, K&N, gutted air boxes, Heddman headers, Catco Cat, Hooker Cat-Back
Coming soon: SFCs, cam, port/polish heads...
Yeah its not really the look. Well maybe it is for the import guys. But for me its the strength and weight that make them so appealing. I dont know if you've ever open a 3rd gen with a fiberglass hood, but man those things flex (possible to cause damage even!) if you dont open it right. CF hoods feel just like the OEM hood, no flex, and the big difference being very little weight (even less than fiberglass!). The only time I would leave the CF parts unpainted was if I were trying to offset the color of the paintjob (usually a lighter color). If I'm going with a dark color the whole thing gets painted. But in the case of the Evo II CF hood I want to buy in the future, I have a very interesting plan that will leave some parts of the hood painted, and some parts not painted (just clear). ChevyKen had a thread a while back with a paint scheme he was thinking about. Thats the closest I've seen to what I want to do, but instead of painting a stripe on there, you dont paint at all so it has the CF look. You guys will see what I mean when the time comes ...
Thanks for the compliment meridius! U got a sweet ride there yourself!
it's all about weight, strength isn't much of an issue for a hood...the guy with that bad *** CF hood needs to paint it onyx black like the rest of the car and he'd have a sweet ride...
i don't mind carbon fiber, it all depends how it's used...it can be tasteful to leave it bare, but the circumstances are very few and very far between, as far as not liking body panels that aren't body color, my car is a little darker than Crazy's and i've got a black fiberglass hood on it, i think it's kinda reminiscent of mopars that were painted like that...it really doesn't look tacky to me...cf, on the other hand, does
CrazyHawaiian, can you give me some contact info for that guy that makes the CF stuff. I would really like to get a CF hood on my car, if you dont want to post it just e-mail me . THANKS:hail:
Last edited by SuperchargedRS; 08-15-2005 at 08:12 PM.
if some of you guys are serious i think i can talk to a guy i know about em, if you do a group purchase, youd have to come up with the design, or he could.
agree, lay sum cash and hell put it into product. but will take some time because does qual.
he did this for when i had my stealth rt tt... hehe.
__________________ 91 FireBird 305 V-8
Edelbrock Catback, Optima Yellow Top, Tsunami Power Top, Custom Alarm. Fourth Gen Console. Info In Sig Link, Only Four cupholders.
I attempted a carbon fiber hood for my s10. It is quite hard to work with, but oooooooooooo so light. I thought it would be the "same" as using fiberglass, WRONG!!! I may attempt a few more parts this summer. Try something smaller this time, like some valve covers, or brackets.
__________________ 99 Grand Prix GTP Sedan
91 Camaro RS Vert, 660ft in 9.011@74.13
old car 91 Camaro RS HDTP 3.4/t5
I love the carbon fiber look all the way around. *Plan* on doing the inside of my camaro with the carbon fiber. Get an aftermarket steering wheel, carbon fiber. Gray 4th gen leather seats w/ black carpetting. Possibly carbon fiber dash and around the gauges... Ooo soo many dreams for the car and not enough money....
As for the Carbon Fiber hood, it looks good on *some* cars, not all. AS long as the rest of the car matches and blends in well together I love it. I personally wouldn't want a carbon fiber hood for the car simply b/c It wouldn't go well with the rest of the cars color.
how do you make carbon fiber? I would imagine it's much harder than working with glass. Can you buy a cf kit in any auto supply store? anyone have any sites with information about working with cf?
Originally posted by CrazyHawaiian Yeah its not really the look. Well maybe it is for the import guys. But for me its the strength and weight that make them so appealing. I dont know if you've ever open a 3rd gen with a fiberglass hood, but man those things flex (possible to cause damage even!) if you dont open it right. CF hoods feel just like the OEM hood, no flex, and the big difference being very little weight (even less than fiberglass!). The only time I would leave the CF parts unpainted was if I were trying to offset the color of the paintjob (usually a lighter color). If I'm going with a dark color the whole thing gets painted. But in the case of the Evo II CF hood I want to buy in the future, I have a very interesting plan that will leave some parts of the hood painted, and some parts not painted (just clear). ChevyKen had a thread a while back with a paint scheme he was thinking about. Thats the closest I've seen to what I want to do, but instead of painting a stripe on there, you dont paint at all so it has the CF look. You guys will see what I mean when the time comes ...
Thats how I feel. I have seen some guys who will have their stripes be the carbon fiber and the rest of the hood is painted. Looks best on all black cars... I have seen some with hood scoups with the scoops shwing carbon and the rest painted. If I did it. Say on the 82...I would have the same theme with the black & silver...I would flame it and let the flames show the carbon fiber in some areas. So it would be like carbon fiber flames...With a black and silver car. Just thinking towards the future...If I learn to fiberglass like I want...
__________________ "I'm just a girl..." (No Doubt) "Love me or hate me, it's still an obsession. If you love me then Thank you, if you hate me then **** you!" (Lady Sovereign) 1987 Red & Black Firebird: "RAIF" WEBSITE: www.redraif.com (Yes... STILL in pieces from an engine bay paint makeover!) OTHER CARS’ WEBSITES:1982 Trans AM / 1990 Chevy Dually / 1976 Scout II / 1987 Nissan Pulsar / 1984 Indy Fiero Tact- n . Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending.
Originally posted by Diabolical how do you make carbon fiber? I would imagine it's much harder than working with glass. Can you buy a cf kit in any auto supply store? anyone have any sites with information about working with cf?
I think it looks good, but thats me! I found a guy down in S. Carolina i believe that would build me one with a Viper NACA duct installed for around $1500. I would need to send him my hood though so he could make a mold, the whole nine yards! For a bolt on hood it would be far less, like $600 IIRC. If anyone else is interested in his info, let me know. Right now it is too much for me, but maybe someday if i really want to sink in money i will never ever see again! lol I just might e-mail a few of you for some info on your "sources". I was expecting atleast $1000 for something custom like this. I would like a direct bolt on hood though, without hood pins. Later
Originally posted by 86IROCNJ I think it looks good, but thats me! I found a guy down in S. Carolina i believe that would build me one with a Viper NACA duct installed for around $1500. I would need to send him my hood though so he could make a mold, the whole nine yards! For a bolt on hood it would be far less, like $600 IIRC. If anyone else is interested in his info, let me know. Right now it is too much for me, but maybe someday if i really want to sink in money i will never ever see again! lol I just might e-mail a few of you for some info on your "sources". I was expecting atleast $1000 for something custom like this. I would like a direct bolt on hood though, without hood pins. Later
Like I SAID above guys. I know I can do it for under $1000. Thats rediculas.
Im gona predict in the 600-700 range. Direct bolt on with iroc loover inserts if you like.
TPI383- If you do go ahead with making a hood, do u have to use an exisitng hood to make the mold or can u make an entirely new mold? What im getting at is that I would like a SS style hood in carbonfiber. The problem is that the only SS hood out there is the ASCD one and i dont like the way it looks. It looks too boxy and not stock-appering for my tastes. I would really love to get a SS hood that flows more smoothly like the stock 4th gen SS hood. The transition egdes on the side of the scoop where it flows into the hood are much more round on the 4th gen hood then the ASCD one. Also if im not mistaken the ASCD hood is like a cowl hood on the back where it comes up to the windshield where as on the 4th gen hood the back of the scoop flows back into the hood before it reaches the back end of the hood for a smoother look. So anyway I guess what im saying is can you make a better SS hood for the 3rd gens in carbon fiber? Thanks.
Originally posted by 88blkiroc TPI383- If you do go ahead with making a hood, do u have to use an exisitng hood to make the mold or can u make an entirely new mold? What im getting at is that I would like a SS style hood in carbonfiber. The problem is that the only SS hood out there is the ASCD one and i dont like the way it looks. It looks too boxy and not stock-appering for my tastes. I would really love to get a SS hood that flows more smoothly like the stock 4th gen SS hood. The transition egdes on the side of the scoop where it flows into the hood are much more round on the 4th gen hood then the ASCD one. Also if im not mistaken the ASCD hood is like a cowl hood on the back where it comes up to the windshield where as on the 4th gen hood the back of the scoop flows back into the hood before it reaches the back end of the hood for a smoother look. So anyway I guess what im saying is can you make a better SS hood for the 3rd gens in carbon fiber? Thanks.
anything is possable if the price is right.
To do a run of parts its easy to make a mold and make em all from there.
As for a better SS hood If I had to start from scratch it woul ddeff. be a time consuming project. Unless I was to start with a ascd mold it and improve from that.
see that's where i disagree a little. i want a ultra light weight stock looking hood. i love how my car looks.
now if i had an iroc then yeah i'd want a CF ss hood, but i would like the option to leave it stock appearance wise so i could just paint it or leave it plain. my option.
people are so ready to get rid of their stock hoods that it's nice to see how they look normally.
I would be interested in a quality carbon fiber hood that would be a factory replacement for the 91-92 Z28 , actually the IROC hood in general I guess...
E-mail Chris/TPI383. If you guys are serious, i'll go in on it! He would like atleast a few people to do it. I did want to be the "only one" with a hood like this, but i guess that idea is thrown out! lol Seriously though, wouldn't mind being a part of a select few. Later guys
Originally posted by Kandied91z i'm all for it, but it HAS to be quality and nothing less....
If you knew how picky I was about my customers powdercoated pieces I do then you will understand the hods I would do would be top knotch.
Better then any quality, Harwood,vfn,acce, etc.
They will be hand layed. and Im a picky person. etc.
Like on my Z. I just pulled the motor every wire, windhield,dash etc. to paint it.
I just re-taped my harness with the correct GM tape, inside and ous side of the car. have it up on stands to re-do the undercoating etc...
I just gave my stock 92hood away and sold my blisters damm it.
I can def. get a stock IROC hold to mold.
Like I said guys E-mail me with CF IROC HOOD in the Subject. I'll get with my buddy kenny on this if I get atleast 3-5people. (if he afrees also.) might be more.
The MOLD is the most expensive part to make. after that is done Its pritty much all down hill.
I'll call him 2morrow. I need to get my 4ft x3ftx3ft oven from his place anyways. to start doing larger parts in powder now.
i would definately be all for it, but it would depend on the cost as well as the product, it would have to look like the stock hood in every way for the most part. just lighter.
depending on the cost i might even get two just to help bring the cost down as i'm sure after they are out and on the cars others will want some....
like i said though, that's alot of money to throw down on a project and not have any idea on the outcome.
Originally posted by Kandied91z i would definately be all for it, but it would depend on the cost as well as the product, it would have to look like the stock hood in every way for the most part. just lighter.
depending on the cost i might even get two just to help bring the cost down as i'm sure after they are out and on the cars others will want some....
like i said though, that's alot of money to throw down on a project and not have any idea on the outcome.
Everything would look stock except the underside braceing.
As for not knowing the outcome. Thats aprt of the project. but Im sure it would be quality. Kenny has been at composits for over 20yrs.
Myself 8.
He done private work on yates etc. has made VW bug parts, kit cars etc. So like said if the people are gona buy I'll make it worth wile to do. and as usual the more people in the cheaper it could be done for. I'll calling him back today around 3.
2. I need to know who is going to paint the hoods. because if they are gona be painted your not gona see the knows CF look. the black/gray chekers.
Were gona do a 2 part mold with an A and B side. top and bottom. gelcoated inside and out (with the sandable gel.)as if you were to buy a hood ready for paint.
( Kandied91z, This was esp. talked about for you for the SHOW QUALITY underside. This way it will be smooth/sexy and paintable.
For those of you who want the CF known look. Let me see what resins etc. we need to work with for that nice glossy/glass finish.
The MOLD to make this is no problem we already talked about this.
Material Price is what were looking into now.
another note.... Why carbonFIber??? just for the strength? because a good roven weaven fiber is deff. strong enough for a hood. and top knotch compaired to any other glass hood on the market.
Let me know what you want. and I'll work with the guys who want em.
Im basing the QUALITY off of what I know Kandied91z would want because I know the quality of his car.
are you saying that we have a choice between CF and something else?
what is the difference if i plan to paint it or not?
true i do plan to paint it but how would that affect the outcome as it would be a while before it were painted and i would like the hood to look like a nice CF hood would.
could you explain this a little better please?
also, i know you don't know now....but break down of prices is important as well as how many we need to get it to lower and ect.
you get it to the price of average hoods and we can get many, if you guys are looking around 1,000+ that might be a different story. just let us know....
If they turn out as quality hoods (and reasonable price), I will want one to replace my 91-92 Z28 hood. Will you have the holes drilled for the louvers / blisters? I would definately paint one, I am not a fan of the contrasting colors. I want the lighter hood, but the factory appearance, carbon fiber is stronger the fiberglass, so it seems to be a win - win situation.
Originally posted by Ward I also don't see why everyone likes the look of it. No one leaves fiberglass unpainted, why don't people paint carbon fiber stuff?
They do it so they can show people they have to much money to blow on their R I C E
__________________ Ponys can run but birds can fly!
we recently finished a 89 civic and replaced the hood with a CF one! i could lift the thing with my pinky finger!!
i would definately put one on my car in a heartbeat if it was an identical replica to my stock hood and all i had to do was paint it and add my blisters.
i know for certain they would sell like hotcakes once they are produced as well if you could keep the price comparable with other CF hoods out there.
find out what you can do, the rest goes from there.
The final finish is what Im talking about on if its gona be painted or not. if it is. Then we would use a sandable gelcoat like you receive a fiberglass hood. ready for paint.
If people want to keep em the shinny CF checkerboard look thats a different final coat. Its a clear gloss finish/done bolt on and thats it.
Price will def. be Under a grand each.
As for other mterials. They mave different grade fiberglass just like different grade CF.
Such as Roven Weaven fiberglass. stronger then regular glass but not as strong as CF.
We use Roven Weaven in welcraft,larson,glass tron, boat halls. So I know its deff. strong enough for a hood. and is cheaper then CF. but hey Its what You guys want. and if you want CF thats cool. Let me get a price with in the next few days. and I'll let every one know how much etc..
that hood looks OK, i agree with some of the people, the camaros hood are way to big for CF hoods, i'd rather put my money into a ram air type of hood other than a plain jane CF hood, CF hoods are for imports, IMPORTS SUCK, stick with domestic meaning not the ricers, anyone agree???
I agree that is your opinion and you should stick with it. But i don't feel it is your place to tell people what to do with their money. And that is my opinion.
sorry guys, i didnt mean to put anyone down, but yes of course i know the meaning for them,, and dale, you said they were stronger? well they may be, but however, everyone around here with ricers has cracks all in theres, when it gets cold enough they tend to crack, but you all may say im wrong and all, maybe if you buy a higher quality one it'd be better maybe?? see i like them and all, its just i heard some bad stuff about them, thats it, i'd buy one if i had some kind of warrenty,
Last edited by 87z28camaro; 02-10-2003 at 02:08 PM.
