littleTAkid82

Hello all, that is my car you are talking about. The thing i quoted made me laugh- we did it on a budget. i am nowhere close to rich.
I wanted to tell everyone that I dont really care what you think about the looks of my car. Many girls like it, and I like it. Thats really all that matters. As for the color combo- i chose it because i love black and red, but also because- how many black cars with chrome wheels do you see on the cover of a magazine? Im not saying im going to be on the cover of a magazine anytime soon, but thats one of the plus's to it. The wing actually fits the body lines of the car, if you were to see it in person. Ever see the corvette c5-r wing? its the same, but painted body color. The stickers. I dont actually care for the company stickers either, but its required for sponsorship. I have about 20 sponsors for the project, and none of the companies stickers' on the car didnt give me a big discount or free stuff.
'9 out of 10 16 year olds dont know how to blah blah blah' -- well, i happen to be the 1 out of 10. I didnt do the paint and body work, but i did pretty much everything else. I got the car when i was 14, in august 2003. My dad opened his shop in february 2005.. and i got the car completed for the CC nationals in july. I did about 80% of the work myself.. and things i didnt do, i could have, but we were on a deadline for the car craft event. SO, i did almost all the work myself, including assembly of the engine AND carburetor tuning and distributor timing. I also did all the wiring for the instrument panel (thats pretty much all the wiring done to the car). Many kids these days, at least around here, put 18's on their hondas with 120 hp, a cold air intake, and fart can muffler. Arent you glad im not one of those kids? I have the fastest car in my school. Someone asked how i have 477 hp and 'only' run 12's. Well, that was with an auto tranny (turbo 350), street tires, the wing attached (increased drag), a vacuum leak, an oil leak (those were because of a faulty intake gasket, i found out recently), oh yea.. and a 16 year old driver with not a lot of drag race experience. 477 was on the engine dyno too, if that wasnt clear.
So believe me, im taking off the stickers once the 1-2 year mark is complete. Or until i get a feature story in a magazine (besides street thunder). GM high tech will do a feature if i convert my car to EFI (holley or edelbrock system, if i do..), high perf. pontiac wants to feature it, and S3 mag will feature it if i run in the 10 sec 1/4 mile, which i should do with drag radials, wing off, and the nitrous i havent hooked up yet.
Those honda kids think their cars look good, the old school muscle car guys think their cars look good, but most of the time they dont like eachother. I wanted to bring part of that old school muscle (406 ci SBC, and RWD) together with some of the teenage generation stuff. Love it or hate it, ill like it no matter what.
.. i also was NOT posing for pictures, i dont know why ANYONE would get such an idea. Is it because they couldnt do that when they were 16? jealousy?? who knows.
.. I also am shy sometimes, and do not tend to smile much. Hence the reason i didnt 'look so enthused' with miss car craft. I was smiling on the inside.

so bash my car all you want. everyone has their own opinions, right?

subliminal

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Your car is being bashed because it looks like a riced out honda. The car actually wouldnt be that bad if you removed that god awful wing.

littleTAkid82

i didnt know a pontiac could be a honda.
like i said. idc about what you think about the looks. i like it.
The wing- did you not look at the corvette c5r? seriously, its pretty much the same wing. I bet if it wasnt carbon fiber, people wouldnt give me **** about it.
I mean do you even know what wings are used for?
Why are they on the c5r? because it puts downforce to handle better on the road course. Honda kids dont know how to drive on a road course, or even an autocross with pilon cones. But i put it on for a reason. downforce for better handling.
If you knew anything about road racing, maybe you could give me some credit.

sexp

Here's a few facts about my son's car discussed here.
Dale's car was built in our home garage before I had a business. (Ive only been in business since 2005) He assembled the entire engine, every piece of the suspension, brakes, fabricated brackets to mount the original power mechanism to the Corbeau seats. He recovered the headliner, Fabricated his instrument and switch panel, wired all the gauges. Installed the roadracing roll bar, exhaust, etc. The paint job was traded for mechanical work on the painter's car. I did a few things on the car, like make the caliper brackets for the 13" brakes after he made cardboard templates. It made 477 hp on the engine dyno and 340 at the wheels. He was looking for the roadracer look. Every GT roadrace car has an adjustable rear wing, which his is. (check out the Corvette C5R, C6R, vipers etc) As a former professional roadracer I can tell you there is a huge difference in handling with an adjustable wing, although they may not look as sleek as a stock one.
After showing the rendering of his ugly car to industry people he was able to get sponsorship in the form of free stuff from every one of those stickers on the car. (they have to be on the car for 2 years) His actual out of pocket, including the cost of the car was about $5000 after selling stock stuff on ebay. He was actually 14 when he started on it and turned 16 right before last year's Car Craft Nats, where it was in the Flowmaster display.
It's not exactly my cup of tea either, but he built it like he wanted it.
His first time at the strip was 12.43 with goodyear street tires. He'll be mounting up some used Drag radials soon, and later activating the NOS to reach his goal of 10's.
He also drove it from Crystal Lake IL to Atlanta for the Year One Experience a couple weeks back. Made some laps around Road Atlanta.
Thanks for your interest.
Jeff
Schwartz Extreme Performance

subliminal

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wings have no affect under about 120 mph......

92RS(real slow)

"we did it on a budget".......lol all that says to me is that your mom and dad payed for it, and for all the girls liking it is is just because they know you wasted tons of money on it and maybe you'll waste some of your parents money on them too.

sexp

Absolutely Wrong

littleTAkid82

read what my dad posted a couple posts up, buddy

subliminal

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littleTAkid82

at least i have a v8 man..

oh yeah, the wheels were off a vette... so umm i dont know how they belong on a honda. The vette pace car in 97 (sure its overall scheme was ugly) had yellow wheels like mine, but who says they belong on a honda? purple/yellow, red/black.

subliminal

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Yes they are vette wheels, but them being painted red looks really tacky and combined with the rest of the stuff on your car, gives your car a 'cheap' look. It looks like a honda because it is r1ced out like a honda would be. Wings like that on any car just look like crap. If I were you Id remove the wing for one that looks stock paint the wheels a different color, black maybe? Kinda give the a car a stealth look. Just what I would do......

littleTAkid82

i respect you giving 'thats what i would do' opinions, but i built my car to suit my likings, and no one cares (especially me) to hear 'oh its so gay looking and riced.' Move on with your life, you dont need to bash cars.
That goes for everyone, btw.

senk05

Ok, well personally, I like that car! I would feel great driving it around town, I would be very proud! So yep, thats my opinion.

jensen73110

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Welcome to the board, and your dad too. I love that Caddy. I laughed my *** off when I read how well it did in the autox for RSE.

As for your car, well, like others, it's not my style. But ya know what? It doesn't matter 'cause its not my car. As long as you are happy with it, do everything you can to **** off people with it!

Stevo

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this thread should have been closed once people starting bashing it to hell. They should have posted the car if they wanted feedback, anytime we get the look the car i found its normally "out there" compared to the rest and just gets trashed. I dont know why these type of threads are aloud.

littleTAkid82 - if ya want some feedback on ur car make a new thread for it...

this has gotten way outta hand, and its going nowhere...thanks to the rest of you for trashing yet more new third gen owners to this site.

shawn i know your intent was not to trash the car from the beggining but thats what happened. Second all this *****/honda crap came up it should have just been closed...

Take a breather people and calm down...

shawn18jgr

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First off I love that year car. I think you, you guys did a fabulous job tearing it down, painting everything. I know your soul went into building that car. I wish at 16 I would have had the recources to have a garage to be involved in a father son project like that.

As far as the car goes-
Everyone has different taste thank god! We would all have the same freaking car and how fun would that be. Kudos on getting free parts and the sponsorship as well. If you want to make it look like the others than all you really need to do is change the wheels lol. The spoiler would be an easy change too! But why if you like it?@@!#!!!!The stickers are removable...

Good Job! Welcome to the site...Posy some pics of it here if you can. Engine, Interior and such!

shawn18jgr

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Tell that one to all your fellow racers and get laughed at!

If your theory is true....I guess your local short tracks,latemodels, sportsman, NASCAR short tracks,IMSA, Sprint, Arca, should just remove the spoiler so they will get more downforce in the corners??

srdynamics1

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This to be expected from the tgo crowd. Always hating. His car is fast, famous and sponsored, is yours?

1988CamaroSC

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alright takid...what you did to the car is cool, no doubt, honestly if it were my car, and its not, i would just kill the wing, maybe get a 91-92 z28 spoiler if you want something big, it looks like those big aluminum wings you see on rusted out hondas running around town. secondly, if the wheels were kept silver, like i saw in the pics, that looked good. even black if you wanted to, just my .02. and yea at least your cars a v-8 right? when i bought it i wasnt even lookin for a car, i had just recently sold off my 85 trans am and missed it to death, so i came across this good condition rust free (grandma owned) 70k mile camaro in new york, and jumped on it for 1900 bucks. one day when i decided not to be lazy, or get a few days off from work, maybe the 350 crate motor in the garage will find its way in, but whats the rush, all i do is cruise with it.

85irocz28

im gonna say a 16yr old can do it.. umm its not hard to restore a car. al it take is some ***** to do it an time.

sasser43

The car isnt that bad. Yea you might do diff color wheels and lose the spoiler, but he accomplished what he wanted to do. He brung some new generation style into the old muscle look and created a road racer. And he managed to do the car for 5000, which is incredible. And he would have spent less if he did the car like some of you wanted to do it, but then it would look like every other TA out there, just a Ram air hood and either vette, zr1s, or snyper wheels.

Demon355

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He riced out a T/A. End of story. Does he like it? Of course he does, he "built" it. Do others like it? Well, thats a concept people are trying to grasp in this thread. I for one do not like it but hey, like others have said this is not my car. But who really cares anymore, lock this thread and if he wants feedback on the car, create a new thread. I feel bad really, giving him all this attention for nothing.

Matthew91-Z28

You guys are crazy and jaded.

The attention to detail, cleanliness, restoration, and actually taking a theme and continuing it through the entire job would put most of our cars to shame.

That kid deserves a "job well-done". Instead he gets a bunch of a heckling from the peanut gallery.

Whatever....

subliminal

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Its kinda odd how almost everyone on here will agree a riced out import is garbage but if its domestic rice its "unique". Im sure the person who riced out their import spent alot of time and money doing so too......

sasser43

Honestly, what part of a 406 that is capable of 11s and 10s rice? He has a wing because he needs it. He has stickers because he actually has sponsors who help pay for the car. Its not like he went to auto zone and picked up a APC wing and a pack of stickers. The only thing you could consider rice is the red paint on the wheels, but it matches the theme of his car.

How about top fuel dragsters? They have wings, sponsor stickers, and some actually have diff color wheel. Are they rice too now?

subliminal

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Im not referring to this car alone, every single car on this site that is domestic rice....when it gets bashed people always stick up for it saying how unique it is

Matthew91-Z28

We need a different way of thinking around the board. Just to keep things cool, instead of saying "domestic r!ce" we should just call it what it really is......a tribute to good ol american super street. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Knyghtmare

Most of us work our asses to the bone to be able to afford and get our cars to where they are today. We dont just show some sorry *** sketch to some of our daddy's friends and get free **** and parts handed to us like some overhauling episode. The magazines... shame on them to even think we want to hear about this and to praise it. You probably had to pay them or know someone to get in them too (E.G. dad's sponsor friends).

Other than that, like I said its not that bad, just enough to be annoying. Outstanding job actually doing the work. I dont even mind the spoiler on the car. Its when "shop cars" get portrayed to be something they are not. Just because a car was built in a home garage, doesnt mean it was funded by your hard work and your paycheck, but instead by mom and dad and friends. You only had a "limited budget" is because everything else was handed to you. Portray it for what it is, a company funded "shop car" and not some masterpiece by a 14 to 16 year old kid that spent all his McDonalds paycheck on building it.

%80 of the cars on this site are more worthy of being displayed in these magazines and sites than this this. Most of us dont have the connections this had. Thats the only reason its famous.

CrazyHawaiian

I admit my post was harsh (and I said it was harsh) but I tried to give some constrictive criticism. There's alot of guys on these forums are not into the "newer generation" style cars. So dont take these comments too hard, I doubt anyone means any personal harm. You're not the first one to run that kind of wing and get flamed, and I'm sure you wont be the last. If you want to know my opinion on where to go from here and get more points with people, drop those wheels, get a different set that has a deep dish with a polished lip and paint/powdercoat the center red (whatever style center you prefer). Next you need to re-do the suspension so it sits lower and the wheels almost tuck. I know you are trying to go for the GT look. Needs to be lower, needs wheels with a dish and correct offset to put the dish right at the fender. Leave the wing if you prefer, while I agree it matches the lines of the truck, it does not match with the "aero" of the rest of the car. But hey thats just my opinion, take it or leave it.

heavychevy

well put. he built it the way he wanted it, and got what he wanted. quite frankly, i like the car, but i guess im just part of that young kid riced out honda group cuz im 15 right? everyone their opinions on somethin, and i this car isnt ur style, too bad cuz it isnt ur car, and if he wanted feedback on it, he'd ask for it, so y dont we all just let this go and quick bein so immature(and bash me for bein 15 and sayin this, it will be funny)

Knyghtmare

FLYNLOW92rs comes to mind. His **** was ugly as hell too, but everyone loved it and kissed his *** for some reason. That kid didnt know a socket wrench from a torque arm either.

I wonder whatever happend to him.

heavychevy

haha

sasser43

Dont get us started on that car. The only good thing about that car is the engine. That car is horrible, wether he like the car that way or not, its ugly.

heavychevy

ive never seen it, ne pics of kno where i can find some??

CrazyHawaiian

Here's an old school thread about the wing subject. Some good info in there hidden inbetween the drama and soapbox vents (I definatelygot on my soapbox on that one hahaha).

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/body...?highlight=C5R

Even though my replies might make me sound kinda like a GT style hater, its actually my favorite style out there. Alot of people dont understand that all the "ricers" out there did not originate that style, they are attempting to duplicate that style. My Z28 project in my sig (the orange one) is my attempt at GT style, but its only about 50% done. If you'd like to see more of it, check out these pics: Concept Drawing, Recent Picture, as you can see I still have alot of appearance mods to get done. But no sponsors for me, no magazines for me, this is all about building a crazy street car for the street, and thats it. Good luck with your project!

littleTAkid82

I was going to let this thread die on its own, but i have to reply.
For one, my car was NOT a shop car. Did you seriously not read what ive been saying earlier? I built it from 2003-2005. my dad opened his shop in 2005, so we did everything in our 2 car garage. Even when he had the shop, he was busy with a car called the Poison Dart, so i had to work on my own at home most of that time. It was at my dads only once or twice, to put it on the lift. My dad doesnt have 'sponsor friends'. Well at least not when the car was being built. I sent proposals along with the picture of the rendering to several companies, and some came through to give me stuff. I dont know where you would get the idea it was a shop car. If it were to be, there would have been lots of money into it, not some cheap build for a 16 year old.
As for the gt look of the car someone said- lower it MORE? are you kidding me? Dude theres not any room for the front to drop anymore. Unless i did more modification. It doesnt need to be lower at all. I think the stance is perfect. The wheels ARE almost tucked in. But they cant go any more inside the wells otherwise they will hit.
If Knytemare would have read anything above, his criticism would have gone away.
Read everything before you post guys. and quit being lame about everything. its getting you nowhere.

robertfrank

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Hey Junior, I think your cars is pretty cool minus the wing and wheels. I would at least chrome the wheels go with something alittle different.The wing on the other hand might serve it's purpose but there must be a wing out there that flows with the body lines a little better.I'm glad you've got a car that at your age you couldn't possibly handle in terms of power.Do you think you're mature enough to handle a 12 second car at 16 years old? I hope you are.because I hate to see a kid splattered on the drag strip.

sasser43

He probably can, its really just on practicing the launch. Theres a lot of kids that can drive now.


And as far as everyone saying that "oh punk kid using his daddy's money." Even if he did, is there a punishment for success now? Whats wrong if a dad worked his *** off so his son who is into cars could get the one and build the one he wanted? I would do the same for mine. Its not like he doesnt know anything about cars and went out and bought a new car thats already fast.

1988CamaroSC

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someone should just lock this thread, too much attention over something not needed....... yeah, dont we all wonder what the streets would look like today if "the fast and the furious" never came out? moving forward......

littleTAkid82

is that supposed to be relating to my car?
what car on there had red wheels?
and i didnt get the wing idea from f&f.. C5R!
just dont understand.

Phatfiddler

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TransAmman87

So when I was 16, not that long ago, I was still working on paying off my bicycle... How in the name of all that is good and mighty did he get the funds to do that? I busted my tail since I was 12 years old to own a third gen T/A and I was finally able to get one at 19 years old. Defintely did pick a good candidate for restoration though, and much praise to the kid for doing the work like that, color choices though lack some praising IMO, but non the less, looks like he did a great job... And yeah, Ms. Carcraft is smokin'... lucky kid

shawn18jgr

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Agh you can probably find an old TA pretty cheap if you look around.

I remember when I was 16, and the 1991 Z28 came out new, and I use to work at a Chevrolet car dealership cleaning cars for like $7.00 wishing I could afford that 16K car lol. Its cool though... I use to take the plastic off them and get them prepped for sale, and then now 15 years later I was able to get one for myself, and apprciate them.

I think its cool a lot of newer generations are attracted to these cars with all the cars available to them Honda' Acura, Suburu, Toyota. I see the values of our cars only getting higher as the supply (clean availibility of our cars) goes down.

shawn18jgr

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Proof spoilers do produce DF just kidding lol.

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ND4SPD86

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I don't think this related to your car I think his talking about all the r1ced out imports on the roads today thanks to that movie. but since I tried of reading the flame war going on in this thread.

Pontiac_Joe

anyone who thinks that car is crap or ugly obviously hasnt looked into the import market

Pontiac_Joe

i got my t/a when i was 16 (not that long ago) aswell ... still a long way off from evem having enough money to even insure the damn thing

85maroz28

sexp

It wasn't meant to look like an import. You guys must have never seen a real Grand Am Series, ALMS, GTO R, C5R Vette, or any late Trans Am series roadracing car?
They all have ugly but functional carbon wings, and sponsor stickers, painted wheels on some too.

Jim85IROC

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Wow... I'm amazed. Any posts that bash Raif's car get locked instantly, yet this one is still open.

Anyway, I still stand by my original opinion... well excecuted, but very questionable styling. My question now is this:
That translates into a 29% driveline loss. Did somebody put mashed potatos in the transmission?