Window/Door Rattles--Observation and Pics - Body - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:04 PM

First consider rubber in general. All weather stripping should not only be in good condition but also be pliable (use a shot of silicone on them from time to time). Aside from the rubber surrounding the windows, there are the window bump stops, which wear quickly and fall to the bottom of the door.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:06 PM

Then, there is a piece that is still available from GM, but isn't installed on all cars, a piece that seems to make the door a bit more airtight and solid.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:07 PM

Here's the latter installed.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:10 PM

The door handle itself is another problem. The small spring inside the handle often breaks/weakens and allows the handle to flop. On the 88 Camaro that I inspected, the self-cutting nuts of the handle itself had also loosened to allow flop.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:13 PM

Moreover, the handle design fits metal 'fingers' into metal rectanglar 'boxes', which is, of course, metal on metal. I'd advise shooting some white gease in occasionally to slow wear, which will cause flop.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:15 PM

Inside the door. The window guides may cause some difficulties, but my guess is that the real problems lie elsewhere.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:19 PM

In my 85 IROC, the cause of most of the rattling came from the various rods that open, close, and lock the door. Apparently, GM made two versions of gizmos to hold and cushion those rods.

Note the two rods. On my 85 the black piece only holds a single rod in place, allowing the second to flop, although the mesh does help.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:21 PM

My fix. I put in the second style holder (from an 88), which secures both rods and then spliced on some vac hose.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:22 PM

Here's what the second design from the 88 looked like stock. Note the foam piece. It's deterorated enough already to allow some flop.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:24 PM

Other rods cause problems as well. Some of these rods are covered with a plastic-like black material. Nonetheless, wear is caused, elongating holes and further causing rattles. A prime culpit is just above my finger. As a short-term fix, I simply looped a small zip tie through the hole (barely visible) and around the rod and snugged it up.

JamesC · 08-06-2002, 01:26 PM

One more rod. I fixed it as above.

MdFormula350 · 08-06-2002, 02:44 PM

very nice work man!!

thanks for all the pics and information, you rock :hail:

CrazyHawaiian · 08-06-2002, 04:50 PM

I smell a tech article!!

JamesC · 08-08-2002, 04:58 PM

More possible problems and fixes. On my 85, there was no vestige of rubber on the door latch itself, although there clearly was on the 88 as you see below.

JamesC

JamesC · 08-08-2002, 05:00 PM

Note the wear on the striker. Again metal on metal.

JamesC

JamesC · 08-08-2002, 05:03 PM

I tried several fixes, wrapping the striker with various kinds of rubber and so on, none of which worked. What I settled on, since the striker is exactly the same size, is the striker cover from the rear seat.

JamesC

JamesC · 08-08-2002, 05:06 PM

I cut it to size with a dremel, removed the door striker, pushed on the plastic, and reassembled. So far, the plastic shows no signs of heavy wear.

JamesC

omnipotentgoku · 08-08-2002, 05:56 PM

damn... that just about answers any questions I had about this.

lonsal · 08-08-2002, 11:25 PM

Another suggestion. You can just buy a new striker from GM. I picked up several to swap whan I start performing the 3rdgensolutions hinge replacement on local Members cars. The p/n for the door striker bolt is 20464563. Lon

2vmodular · 10-19-2002, 12:02 PM

http://www.p71interceptor.com/thirdgen/powerlocks

here's pictures of the drivers door with part of the outer shell cutaway:

Gumby · 10-19-2002, 03:04 PM

The poor mans way to seal up the doors and windows.

1/2in wide 1/4in thick weather striping they sell for doors and windows for your house. 2-3 bucks for a big roll.

works real well. I used it all around my windows and doors, so they seal tight and they no longer get frozen shut in the winter. It also works well on the hood and hatch seal.

I broke off my passanger side door handle and broke my hatch lock one winter, got frozen out and could not get in.

Spectre · 10-19-2002, 03:27 PM

I tried ajusting those guides since my window wobbled
alot. but by pushing the guide(s) forward.. now i get
wind noise at 60 km/h. Thats annoying !
on the end of the guide theres some sort of a brush that
pushes against the window wich is worn out..

yankeecarman · 10-19-2002, 04:23 PM

Please a detailed if possible tech article. Very well done.

SLOW5.0 · 10-20-2002, 07:19 AM

Where to find the rubber bumb stops? that is what is holding me back from installing my door panel

dsaint1347 · 01-11-2003, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JamesC
Then, there is a piece that is still available from GM, but isn't installed on all cars, a piece that seems to make the door a bit more airtight and solid.

JamesC · 01-11-2003, 10:06 AM

Both the window bump stops and the door piece should still be available from GM. I have an extra door piece, should it be unavailable from the General.

JamesC

85SportCoupeto89RS · 01-11-2003, 02:31 PM

Is there any kind of P/n on the weatherstripping? I would like to get one for my car.

JamesC · 01-12-2003, 07:58 AM

I can't locate the part number(s) from old bills, but the parts man at your local dealership should be able to provide it. There are, I believe, after market options as well, such as Soft Seal (you might save a few bucks there). By the way, you might consider not only replacing the rubber around the windows but also around the doors.

JamesC