86WS6_T/A

I know this would take some work to do but if done, I think a dual headlight setup like a 4th gen would look pretty trick...

I'll take the good with the bad on this one *zips up flame suit*

BTW, this was a MS Paint job done with a serious lack of sleep

gearhead0384

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I am not much for custom body mods, but I would have to say that looks pretty cool. Is it a dual head light style like the LS1 Birds, or is that just an extention? Also those lines look really clean, like it came out of the factory that way.


Kevin

86WS6_T/A

Yeah, if I tried to do it, I'd also implement the dual light setup like the 98-up 4th gens...


The more I stare at it, it fits the car better than the square headlight doors on it now.

Still thinking on a turnsignal placement.

gearhead0384

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The more I stare at it, it fits the car better than the square headlight doors on it now.

I would agree it is kinda growing on me. I would be really intrested to see that done, also what it looks like when open.

okfoz

hmm.. I have a couple of extra Formula hoods laying around, I might try that with one of them...

cool looking idea

John

okfoz

One thing to consider is you will need to mod the front bumper support too, that piece that goes from the radiator to the front facia... There is alot more work there than it looks, but I think it would be awesome...

John

GarageToys

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They look cool in the closed position, but in the open position it's going to look like 2 billboards sticking up. At night with the lights on your car will be half a second slower in the 1/4.

Dante93GTZ

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I LOVE that look. Do it. That is bad-A.

JR86-TA

Hmmm... that looks fabulous. Especially if you were doing a headlight mod like redraifs car, which I am doing a slight variation of that. Then you wouldn't have to worry about it sticking up... And you wouldn't have to worry about the turn signal, because you could leave it where it is. Although, in that case, it would make more sense to just have a full hood, but anywho. The fabrication would be extremely easy. However, you would need lights the are small in height so the headlight assembly would not have to lift as far, and with all the weight, I am not sure if the stock motors could take it. They die so easily anyway. I really like the idea though... I might have to consider it. But as I said, my lights will be stationary.

Aviator857

I like it, way to go :-) that is real good to be mspaint. If you do it you would want to do the lazy eye mod, and use the smaller lights, so it doesn't pop all the way up. By doing the lazy eye you could probably keep the turn singal, although led's on the front edge of the light where it is now.

best body mod idea ive seen

86WS6_T/A

So far, here is the fabrication I see that will be involved in getting this to work...

1. Actual headlight door needs extending.

2. Hood needs to be cut along body line and under hood support cleaned up.

3. I think the stock mounting bracket could hold the headlight assem. in place, but the rest of the housing would need extending so the motor can sit farther over.

4. The metal support between the bumper and radiator support that has the hood latch would need to be cut so the motors could still be accessible when moved over. Some extra support would probably need to be welded in for the hood latch.

5. Modified headlight bucket for 2 smaller lights (I think the 98-up bird lights would work here, they're pretty small)

6. A new surround would have to be built or an extension of the old one. I think a new one from fiberglass would be easier.

7. Wiring. Probably just use a section from a 3rd gen camaro to get the seperate lights working like they're supposed to.


I think that's about it. The only ones I see that would take the most time would be #3 and #6, but #6 is just cosmetic and could be worked on slowly. Only thing stopping me from doing this right now is this is my daily driver and can't just yank my headlights off unless I duct tape them to the bumper

HanSoloWS6

I agree. That would look great if it was done as a lazy eye. And use the smaller bulbs. I might do that as well, just a lot of glass work on an RA2 hood, if I get one, lol.

86WS6_T/A

Until I can get my photoshop working again, I'm still on the fence about how it would look fully open and just with the lazy eye mod. I think the 98 up 4th gen birds look friggin awesome with the headlight doors open, but this may not be the case for our cars.

Also, the lazy eye mod would require a lot less work on a cosmetic surround piece, and I could use the small lights from a 9x-96 Grand Prix...

X86TRANSAMWS6X

i like, but i would figure out a way to keep the stock turnsignal light location.

Aviator857

For the turn signal, you could make it out of a series of yellow lcd's with a lense over it that would be thin enough to put it in the stock location but still have the door go up and down.

tpiroc

If it didn't pop up very far, I think it'd look pretty slick. Not bad for an MS Paint job either

Aviator857

Here is the link to lazy eye mod if anyone hasnt seen it.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...light=lazy+eye

I tried to ps them up but it didn't turn out as well as I had hoped, But it may give some an idea.

91zconvt

lol..>Not knowing much about the 'birds, I had to really look at that pic for a good while before I realized what the hell was different about it.

I dunno, to me it looks like they shoulda come that way in the first place.

86WS6_T/A

Yeah, when I showed my fiance, she had to stare at it for a while and still didn't see it. I had to point it out to her and when I did, she said "I thought that's how the headlights were set up?"

That right there tells me I might be able to pull this off and have it be subtle yet make people think "what looks different about that car? "

Also, my minds made up. I'm going to do this using the grand prix lights and do it lazy eye style.

okfoz

One POTENTIAL problem I forsee is the strength of the hood MIGHT be comprimised by removing that section... Our hoods are held down at 3 points, one in the front, by the latch, and the two at the rear hinges. The front of my hood if I remember right is pretty beafy through there and the reason might be for stiffness at higher speeds. You MIGHT get slight lifting on the front corners because some of the structure has been removed...


think about it, I am not really sure how cutting the corners would effect everrything, but it might be a consideration before diving into this project...

John

br()bert

what about if you used thin lites like you have but removed the flip up portion of the lites. Would a camaro hood then fit on a firebird? that would get ridd of the head lite lines and smooth out the car alot also.......

Petes 84Z28

How about this idea for the headlights themselves: Use a set from a 91-94 Cavalier mounted to the flip-up part of the mechanism. The Cavalier assembly has an integrated turn signal lens, and uses 9004 bulbs. A string of orange or amber LED's could be mounted on the leading edge of the piece to operate when the lights are in the down position.

86WS6_T/A

Yeah, I had thought about that. I would definitely build that section of the hood up with some additional sheet metal but i don't think the corners lifting would be a problem.

I think later, I'd like to get some flush lock style hood pins and get rid of the hood latch all together and make a ram air setup like Mike (1Bad91Z) has. If you see his CAI setup, you'll see what I'm talkin about....

Matto'85TA

For turnsignals, maybe use the fogs as them. Would be easier, could be simiar to the DRLs and turnsignals on the newer 4thgens

Matt

Kontrax

i had an idea of elimating the flip-up all togeather. was thinking get some brackets from one of those grad prix se models or a mid 90's camaro. you could actually shave down the flat part on the nose infront of the stock lights to fit them. thne use some clear outs or something to keep the angle of the lights when they are down. now that i bought back my GTA(or whats left of it) i might try it this summer.

tamatt27

I've actually been thinking about something like that. I think, since you'd put it into a pic, it looks Very sharp! It does follow the lines better!

badandy247

the only real problem will be opening the hood with the lights on there will be a clearance problem if they aren't sleepy eye style and possibly even then just because of the exrtreme angles

deadbird

In realistic proportions, if you used the 2 smaller lamps, there would still be a small amound of room to have turn lamps with the headlamp door overlapping it as drawn out above.
The small lamp as proposed is 5½" wide.. the usable(square) opening, from corner to center of the recess, is 17¼". 2 small lamps plus mounting hardware, 12" leaving room for a turn signal lamp still.

DigitalMonarch0

I think that it looks pretty cool, it is something that I would definatly try if I had the time (not to mention the bird)

P.S. I love the lazy eye mod. I always wanted to put the Knight Rider red flashing strip under them so it went from one side of the car to the other. But that's just the dork in me.

devianb

Personally I would F&%$ing love that. I too had a similar idea but it was for fixed headlights, but the flip up lights that way sounds more intriguing.


Man, I am loving this idea the longer I think about it.

SC82TA

stumbled across a picture of a Geo Storm (of all cars), on the internet and you might want to look into their headlight mechanism. I blieve in 90-92 had the same headlights....here are a few pics I found so you can see what I mean.

90firebird

i saw the widened headlights, and it gave me an idea.... i widened the fog light holes.... maybe room for ducting to cool brakes, ducting for a ram air set up, or maybe for two small intercoolers like those on the ATI supercharger setups.....

br()bert

I like the ram air idea , as long as you cant see silver dryer vents it would look kool.

Jesus's F-Bird

Yes, i like the idea to cool brakes, no third gen i have seen has a custom brake cooling system. 86WS6, do you plan to change your hood to the one that you have done in your sig? (the graphic one)

flyboy367

just a thought cause that looks pretty cool. what about using headlights from a 96 and under grand prix? they are thin and carry all the lights. maybe make the flip up closed just as an access to the bulbs or clear out underneath and fully seal the top?

okfoz

I think the 91-92 Trans Am actually had some sort of factory brake vents, not sure tho, I thought I read it in a dealer book. Could be mistaken.

JOhn

90firebird

eh, i'm not too sure about that okfoz... my dad has a 91 ta and there isnt a way for air to go through the front bumper.... the turn signals and foglights fill up the openings....

okfoz

Its under the bumper...

I wish I could find that... It might have been a custom thing

John

pecha

86WS6_T/A these look sharp but...
the pic posted by 90firebird is bada$$ :hail:
it really should come this way
so anybody trying to do this?

pecha

here's photoshop of it for you

Mongoose

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Looks sharp,especially the hood in the sig pic.

Sir Speed A Lot

heheheheh his paintshop idea looks better than your photoshop lol j/k

peace

tom

86WS6_T/A

Yes, I still have this idea on the back burner (along with several others) and I'm going to wait and see how Rex's new hood turns out. Supposed to be like the hood in my sig minus the side vents. If the cowl doesn't extend too far to interfere, then it will be done. Gonna suck taking a saw to a new hood though

Jesus's F-Bird

Pecha !!!!! WHATS UP!! I didn't know there were firebirds in Poland. Where did you get it? Thats a real nice car! Are there any other cars?

pecha

thanks
I bought it from one guy that ruined it so bad
there is even fbody club in Poland we've got board like this one (including INTERNATIONAL board)
here is the address: www.fbody.org.pl

d_johnsen

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