dr1

actually those doors make that garage problem sound valid
judging from that pic and the house next to it.. id hit the ceiling of my garage with those babys
i think if that car werent so ugly with those wheels and 4x4 stance, that might look ok
whered that pic come from?

Dizturbed One

i for one think they look badass

the rest of that car is ugly as all hell

but i like the door kit alot

not for a daily driver, but it would be cool on a show car.

87CIZ

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those go straight up, the set that i seen locally on a 3rd gen popped out a little and went up and in. Kind of like a Mclaren i believe does the same thing. It was at a car show about 2 years ago.

deadbird

Different color, a little less altitude & ditch gaudy wheels and, it doesn't look so awful bad...

Spdfrk1990

wow u just make that car look 100x's better lol. Would you really want to be crawlin under some doors that heavy tho only held up by a air strut.

deadbird

The doors aren't really as absurdly heavy as everyone bellyaches about. There's pleantly of cars on the road that have equally heavy or heavier doors.
Would I trust it... probably so. It seems rather rare a hood or hatch strut goes at any given moment (not to say they don't) so, I don't see why it would with the door.
Plus, once the door is nearly up, it's not really holding any weight (as the door is attached to the hinge, not the strut)... kind of the same way an overhead door works.

There is a vette right by where I work that has the swing out, then up doors on it. Watching the guy open the door then wrestle it to the 'sweet spot' to tilt it up was somewhat amusing (to me at least).

Hold them up with a broomstick like 90% do with their hatch and hood and yea, you'd probably see me sweat a little then.

Spdfrk1990

I have picked up the doors before they are pretty heavy with everything in them much much heavier then the doors in my daily driver. I say they are pretty heavy 150 lbs maybe wouldnt want it to come down on me.

87CIZ

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lol i dont think they weigh 150 lbs i could be wrong though. I'll weigh mine tonight and let ya know.

firebirdjosh

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I'd guess maybe 115 pounds. I pulled mine and it was awful. I could barely lift them by myself. Its almost as bad as trying to move my hatch.

DanTheMan_smlk

whats in them that makes em so heavy?

deadbird

I'll put my guess in @ 80-90lbs for a complete/loaded door

Camaroguy18

100lbs would be a safe bet.....*** for the 'swing out, then up' style doors....it looks like those are what the autoloc ones do, via the demonstration video

Spdfrk1990

I say at least over 100 which is alot for a door.

jimp2001

the doors aren't that heavy.... with power windows, mirrors, and locks, i'd say no more than 70-80 lbs MAX. They are just huge, so its kinda hard to pick it up and manuver it by yourself. It would definately hurt if the strut gave out with someone in the path of that door closing, but thats why most decent hinge kits have 2 struts on them, so if one fails, the door falls slowly.

Spdfrk1990

80 lbs isnt that heavy ive picked one up b4 sure didnt feel like 80 I think someone needs to get out the scale and weigh one with everything on it. I dunno tho maybe they are just akward to handle.

deadbird

Just so you know Spd.. I'm not picking on you... hope you're not thinking so.

My estimate is based off the wieght of a complete 71 (damm this keyboard's #one not working right.. rrr) camaro door w/pwr windows. They weigh in (less the doorpanel) just around 112lbs. They are made from 18ga metal (ours 20) and all the components are much more bulky.

It may be my profession making me percieve the doors being lighter than they are but, I just can't see the weight being there.
A bare sbc block is right around 165 lbs..

*edit.. added 'one' to my numbers ->keyboard

Spdfrk1990

Its not like picking up a bar with weights on it thats why it feels heavier or nothin like a 80lb sand bag the size just made it feel heavier.

wilyk9

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Had a passenger door already off the car so I took out a scale and it weighed in at 94lbs. The door had the power window and power door lock. Glass was in and mirror on. Only thing missing was the interior panel/arm rest.

omnipotentgoku

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Damn it man...!!! I've always wanted to see that done!!! All you "thats gay" claimers negate progress, sit with your TG the way it is for the rest of its life and put it in a show room or something when your 60... that is just flat out awesome. The rims and paintjob on that car take away from the beauty of that mod. Put that on Kandied's vehicle... I doubt you'd scoff at it.

Anyone have any more pics ? Better yet, who is that, i'd like to do that.

slammed_z

this one looks alot better then the green one

slammed_z

http://www.dropjawmag.com/2005/scrap...s/DSC00079.htm

some reason the pic didnt work

Kandied91z

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i have been looking for the picture forever, thanks for posting that. it looks decent on black too.

Yossarian14

Im sorry but people need to stop referring to goddam things on this board as "****". I do hate **** and drive an American car and British truck so at least know where Im coming from. Theres no reason at all we shouldn't be able to put these on our cars just because they are on imports, not a single reason unless you have import-phobia. Anything thats costs a $1000+ cant really be considered **** because **** is known for cheap and gaudy accesories.

Lambo doors are sort of useless in my opinion for the money because you already look akward enough trying to get out of the car let alone trying to open that door. I dont think the door weight would be that big of a problem, just make sure you find a company that covers their parts because those struts will die eventually, just how soon is the problem. They also look a bit goofy but may look fine on some cars. Just look at it this way , would you rather have lambo doors that may not work and be usefull or have 17" Hyper black Zr1's, Flowmaster exhaust, etc?

Also Kandiez, door popper may be questionable because we run are popper wire through the door jam (you know better than I do) and depending on how that door hinges exactly I may not have enough extra slack on my loom thats running through there. I cant remember how much extra I left.

exotikcamaro

the weld-on kit is made by GT Factory. its a little cheaper than autoloc's. I think around a grand. Their main distributor is Chaser Aerodynamics which is here in maryland. Their website is www.aerokits.net I think there is another distributor on the west coast, but i am not positive.

87CIZ

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so $1050 shipped plus install wonder what kind of price a shop would charge to weld those up?

smokefan

i think they look pretty neat but to expensive for my taste

dennisbernal91z

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Yeah, I am willing to spend the $ but would love to see someone else use the areo kit that was posted before. Unless the ugly green car was using this kit. Was it?

I have allways wantedto do this kinda thing, esspecially if I have the option of swinging normal or up at a show. The option is a great idea. I think it would be strong enough too, esspecially if it gets TIG welded onto the body, and door.

Anyone have any more info on this idea at all.

DTL504

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After being at a car show (Scoop the Loop, Waukegan, IL) and reading this post I decided to email a guy about the kit for these doors and this is what he has to say about the GT Factory kit. I would like to put this on my 84 2 seater since alot of people already hate this conversion kit and add a little more flame to the fire.
Maybe we can do a group purchase going if enough people is interested:

David,

Thank you for contacting Tuner Racing.
Tuner Racing carries every major brand of vertical door kits and the GTF kit
is by far the best. It is a weld on kit and has many features the bolt on
kits can not touch. If you only are interested in a bolt on kit just let me
know and I will try to get you one at a great price. If one is made we have
got it.


The GTF Diablo Vertical Door System has several unique features that make
this kit stand out from all the others available on the market today. These
features change the way the kit looks, works, and how long it lasts.

For starters, the GTF Diablo is the only vertical door system on the market
that allows the doors to come out horizontally a full 25 degrees and go
vertical a full 90 degrees, straight up and down. The doors also have a ton
of adjustability (four adjustable points) that allows you to adjust (and
re-adjust) the degrees that the doors come out horizontally and go
vertically. This way, you can have the doors set exactly how you like them.

The other kits on the market usually range from 30 to 55 degrees vertical
and they do not have the adjustability to them. This tends to block over
50% of your area to get in and out of the vehicle.

With the GTF Diablo doors, you can also open them at different degrees
vertically and the doors will hold on their own. This is a great feature
that allows you to quickly get in and out of the vehicle at anytime. This
is useful when it is raining, when you find yourself in a parking garage
with low ceilings, in a crowded parking lot where you don't want to draw
attention to your self right before leaving your vehicle or when you are
just quickly getting in and out of your vehicle. Another thing about this
kit is when the doors are vertical; they are perpendicular to the vehicle,
like the true Lambo or Diablo door is supposed to look like.

The other kits on the market do not allow the doors to hold on their own
vertically at different degrees. The other kits only go vertical about half
way and then they flair out to the sides, looking more like wings.

Another big difference is that the GTF Diablo Vertical Door System is the
only kit on the market that uses dual gas struts per door (a total of 4 gas
struts). All other kits only use one gas strut per door. The gas strut is
what actually assists the door up and down and is what holds the door
vertical. With dual gas struts, you can lift twice as much weight per door,
up to 300 pounds per door, they can lift the door twice as easy than any
other kit and you don't have to worry about the gas strut going out on you
all the time. This is a big problem with the bolt on kits, because they
only have that one gas strut to lift the door each time and to hold it up.
It is not uncommon for a customer to inform me that they had to replace the
gas strut after lifting the door for the first time with the bolt on kits.

Another important feature regarding the GTF Diablo Vertical Door System is
the hinge itself. This hinge is over 300% stronger than ANY other hinge on
the market. This hinge can hold 3000 pounds! The hinge is 100% CNC
machined, made out of 4130 chromoly steal, nickel plated so that it won't
rust and comes in a shiny chrome look! A sturdy hinge gives you a sturdy
door. This hinge is made to be used on a daily basis and to last you a
lifetime!

The other kits on the market are made out of just regular cheap and thin
steal. A few of the brands out there are actually made out of recycled
steal! What this does is make the doors real loose and wobbly when they are
vertical. All it takes is the wind to slightly blow or for someone to lean
up against the vehicle and the doors will start to continuously sway back
and forth. Customers and body shops have frequently reported that these
kits start to sag and warp come 6 months to a year, due to the cheap and
thin material that they are made out of.

The GTF Diablo is a universal weld on that is guaranteed to fit any car,
truck or SUV (other than the VW Beetle) and comes with a Limited Lifetime
Warranty! This kit comes with a CD of over 130 high-resolution pictures of
the installation, written out instructions (20 step process), and technical
support is available.

The GTF Diablo Vertical Door System is also reversible. The bolt-on kits
are reversible as well, but you must reapply them to the same make, model
and year. Most people do not find themselves in that situation when the
time comes. The GTF Diablo kit can be reapplied to any car, truck, or SUV
(except for the VW Beetle) and is guaranteed to fit.

The GTF Diablo continues to utilize all of your factory safety, accessories
and functions.

This kit is also available in Motorized and the ShowStopper Package.

The motorized kit gives you complete motorized action of your doors, both up
and down, and can be controlled via a manual switch usually located inside
the vehicle. (This is great for customers who already have shaved doors.)

The ShowStopper kit allows for complete remotely controlled motorized
action, allowing you to remotely open the doors and move them up and down.
This comes with the Shaved Door Kit Package, door poppers, two 8 channel
remote controls that were made for the doors (not the trunk) along with
emergency buttons in case your battery were to ever go dead.

You can purchase the manual kit and upgrade it to the motorized or the
showstopper package at ANYTIME, even after installation, with no problem!

For additional information regarding the GTF Diablo Vertical Door System,
please visit, http://www.TunerRacing.com/diablo or click on the red Civic
with the door straight up and down from the Tuner Racing home page. Here
you will find additional information and pictures, along with additional
links (on the right) to frequently asked questions and the video showcasing
this kit on Ice-T's Mercedes.

I hope that all of this information has been useful. Feel free to contact
me at anytime if I can assist you further. I look forward to doing business
with you.


Thank You,

Russ McCoy
V: 281.394.4145
F: 281.394.4146
rmccoy@TunerRacing.com
http://www.TunerRacing.com

smokefan

how much for the kits if we go into a group purchase.

DTL504

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I emailed Russ and waiting for a reply. He sell the basic weld-in kit 999.00 shipping included.

http://www.tunerracing.com/product.i...ro%2084-87&b=_

smokefan

let me know and how many have to get in for a group purchase

DTL504

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I will post when I received the email about price and how many from Russ.

smokefan

cool

Camaroguy18

Ive seen a few cars with the kits that have bad swaying (due to wind) while up.....thats what turned me away from it originally. Kit sounds pretty solid, though Im sure we were reading alot of bias....nonetheless at 999 shipped, with the possibility of going cheaper on a gp....Ill be in

Enigma_valar

the only problem i c with welded is the alignment problem. what if you weld its aligned wrong what are you going to do cut the wleds and do it again mess up enough your goin to have fatigued metal. . i really wouldnt be worried bout the door fallen on you unless your kinda of small. sure itd hurt but Hell sh** happens and hoenslty 100 lbs isnt that heavy. im still young though that might be why. i'd do it if i had the dough.


i think id look awesome with something like this

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=284883

dennisbernal91z

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I think if you are careful, this kit seems to be the best way to go. I am going to put these in after I get my 383. As for the welding thing, I guess I would say to toss in one or two bolts, make sure everything is straight, obviously with a friends help, and then get the hinge welded up. At least thats how I think I am gonna do it

DTL504

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I received the emailback today and here is what Russ had to say about the Group Purchase:

David,

Thank you for contacting Tuner Racing.
Tuner Racing guarantees the lowest cost for you on this kit. If anyone in
the group can get an Auto related business Lic. over to us we can really
hook you up with dealer pricing. Either way we will always take good care of
you and get you what you need at the best price.


Feel free to contact me at anytime if I can assist you further. I am here
to help you with whatever questions you may have. I look forward to doing
business with you.


Thank You,

Russ McCoy
V: 281.394.4145
F: 281.394.4146
rmccoy@TunerRacing.com
http://www.TunerRacing.com

end statement:
So I guess the anyone who has business license thats wants to help out here will have to step to the plate for us to get a real good deal.with the group purchase.
DTL504

dennisbernal91z

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damn, well that doesn't seem like it is gonna happen. Oh well I guess full price isn't that bad...

redvtwin2

I am sure most know this, but these do not open like Lambo doors.....you have to open them normally for a few feet...then you have to push them up....it is silly looking to see. Also I have seen 2 cars that the weight has actually caused the sheet metal on the door jamb to bow where the hinges mount cause the door not to align anylonger........I like when they are up to...but one has to consider that Lambo's have alot of thought into how their doors open and close...our cars don't.....If I were you guys...which I am not I would leave them alone. Unless you are simply showing your car....everyday driver could have problems......good luck either way and if you do get them post em up....

dennisbernal91z

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I feel like it is a sketchy idea too, sue to what you said with the bowing of the mounting local. But I believe that if thought out well, and reinforcing plates put in, like on the side ofthe door that the hing is being welded then it should work fine for a daily driver.

As for them not going directly straight up, that is prety well known, there is a video clip on the site. Not to mention that our roof line is in the way of out doors, real lambo doors are wider than the top of the car, so the roof doesn't get in the way.

Anyways, either way, i still think it looks cool and origional enough on a third gen that the $ is worth it. But thats just my take on the issue.

smokefan

i still want to put them in. but i am very iffy on the welding part

dennisbernal91z

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how come? lining up issues?

FSTFBDY

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You get a SOLID GP with 110% commitment on what they want for a minimum # of people and I will call with My business info.

PM or E-mail me if you deside to try and get this going for sure.

DTL504

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Chris
It would be nice if you can contact Russ directly so that you and him can work out the business details. I just done the research to see can we get a good deal and if he was willing to do a group purchase.
Here is his info:

Russ McCoy
V: 281.394.4145
F: 281.394.4146
rmccoy@TunerRacing.com
http://www.TunerRacing.com

x007

Anyone have buy someting at TunerRacing.com previously ?
is this a reliable place at all ?

dennisbernal91z

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No idea. I think if you wanna know that, you should ask around a forum where there are more people that have done this mod. There are practically no third gens that have. Within the next 6 months I am doing it to mine, and i am buying the hinges from them.

But oh well first gotta get my 383 built and my T-56 bought. hehe. Good luck finding the info. I am interested too

iansane

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I think TPI said what he said because he's tried to organize GP's before and knows that in the thirdgen crowd, they don't happen unless someone does A LOT of work or the part is $20. So if you really want this, get the people interested, with money in hand and then contact him. I don't mean to sound like a dick but it's hard.

FSTFBDY

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You hit the nail right on the head man.

DTL.. call the guy and talk to him. get his requirements for a GP. Such as.........

How many People minimum.

Price on the kit for that required minimum people.

How much of a deposit if any, or does he want em paid in full.

Do they contact him directally and just order under GP# bla bla bla... Or have you supply the orders, etc...


Then when you meet his requirements and Everyone is ready to order em. I will call and use my business as the end requirement he wants etc....

Belive me Ive been there done that. I have Tons of people who want me to do a CF hood. but when push comes to shave I prob only have 2-4 people who are willing to spend the $$$$$ Over $500 for a Show Quality cf hood.

Not worth it right now when It cost me over $3000 outa pocket to get the project off the ground.

Sorry to make you do all leg work etc. but I have no interest in these doors just figured Id give you the help ya need with a Business owner to finish the deal if you make it happen.

iansane

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Not related to this thread: Have you had any commitment to doing a bird CF hood? I doubt it. Or a cf vert windshield trim piece? I remember you saying that you were really busy and would get around to it when you had the time, just curious though.

Sonar_un

That diablo kit is very similar to a shop that has been doing diablo style doors on a bunch of cars near here. (One including a thirdgen GTA!)

I will ask them which kit they use next time I am near there.