jstoltz

yeah everyone can start sending their payment for these. They will be sent out on Tuesday though if that is OK with everyone. I am having the machine cut all of it. my paypal address is droptop406@sbcglobal.net and pm me for my address if you want to mail your payment. $105 shipped if paying through paypal $100 if your payment is mailed. I really appreciate all you guys waiting around on me. Thanks

Daz

too steep for me..lol

jstoltz

that's fine when your paint rubs off the few nos that are left are just like I said yellowed and $50 more.

Daz

or you can just get a sheet of vinyl for $20, apply it on and cut whats left. Or you can go to your local sign shop and get one cut for half the price.

If you really want to help the thirdgen community maybe you should have available the graphic file for everyone to download and taken to their local sign shop to get cut

TPl383

$55 bucks from my local guy who does my 4ftx8ft business signs and all my shirts,b.cards,etc...

and yes thats on GOOD material.

Still $105 is a decent deal for the time his guy had to put into it.

jstoltz

it really isn't as easy as you think to just go to a sign shop and have them cut it the design has to be precise to fit and also out of most of the verts I have seen there usually isn't the original to trace around. but I guess if you think it is that easy to have an oem reproduction that is exact, and pay $20 or $55 or whatever then please be my guess. and since I had to pay to have someone do all the work why would I post the file anywhere. I guess Spohn should post a file the exact dimensions of his jigs??? not trying to be a smartass but the r&d of any project has some worth. I know these will fit as good as the originals so that is alot of work off of everyones shoulders and it is considerably cheaper than the NOS that are in poor shape but up until now where the only option other than using something that would not look original.

Daz

Spohn desgined new products with a lot of R & D.If you can sell them more power to you but this is not the best deal for people here.If I have time to trace it I will and post the dimension here.Paying $100 for $10 worth of material and an hour work (initial)is NOT a good deal. Like TPI383 said Its $55 and for an extra $10 they will even install it for you and the next time you come back for more the price will be $20

gcgarner

Why does everybody have a problem with it NOW? Nothing was said in the past 3-4 months it took him to get these ready. Jstoltz, great work. My paypal payment is on its way to you. Even if I could get it for $55 locally, it is well worth $50 to me to not have to deal with the hassle of getting everything set up and ready for production.

Daz

Like I said to him..If he can sell them more power to him.But to worry about shipping and installing it would be equivalent to the difference in my book.Just an idea for other convertible owners.

gcgarner

OK. To each his own. I'm looking forward to getting mine. And if they install like Jstoltz says they do, it should be easy.

And Daz ... are you aware of what your "home page" is in your public profile? Classy. Very classy. Now I know what kind of weirdo you are.

Do you even have a convertible? All your profile says you have is a "87 Camaro" with a "Chevy V8". LOL. And all this time I thought that Camaros had a "Ford V8". LOL.

Daz

First of all, thank you for passing judgement on somebody who you dont have a clue about.That was a joke by the mods a long time ago that I have no control off.Second,If you pass judgement to a person because of what you see in a profile then youre an ignorant fuk

Third, I have a convertible (before you even have a sniff of this place)but when the profile was madeI had an IROC with a 468 BBC.Showing off on my profile doesnt really tickle my pubes.You couldved asked me on pm but you have to do it here.So there, happy?

fkin noob

jstoltz

whoa hold on a minute this isn't the place to argue. you both have your own opinions. and Daz it definitely isn't as easy as tracing around it to get quality. I have to give props to my vinyl guy for going the distance with me on this project. Do you really think it would take 4 months to trace around it??? Unless you are going for somewhat sloppy results it involves going point by point and removing nodes to get the needed result. If you want to call me a noob too that is fine but my original tgo date is 98 so I guess I got a little on ya (my pc crashed and I got a different e-mail address so I just made a new account). I am not that worried about it though. Just like I said please respect me enough that if you really think you need to argue do it through pm's so this isn't a locked thread. Myself I would rather see you try to do the same thing I already did. Reproduce them and if you can get them done for $55 installed pass that on to the next guy then I would be impressed. arguing isn't going to impress me. I do value your opinion but I had to take the hit in the wallet to do this and gcgarner thanks for the good words.

Daz

the noob is not for you but yes Ive been here 98 or even before when it was still red and yellow.The point is the attitude of this noob who saw a few characters on my info and started yapping.

yeah its that easy maybe my sign guy is just amazing with the knife.I do respect your effort and tried to be careful with the wording but I just cant stand 30+ yr old brats.If you want to talk respect and talking it on pm then discuss it with gcgarner as he is the one that wanted to go on a tangent..

Good luck with the sale.

jstoltz

like I said your input is appreciated and thanks for not arguing about this anymore. and there is a pic of the plotted draft on here just to show this is how you handle mass production if your vinyl guy thinks it would be worth his time to try and hand cut something of this size well he must not have enough other business. I sat down with my guy and devised a game plan on repeated accuracy which is what I demand before I would put my name on anything. The way I think business should be done. I hope that after a few of these are installed that the attention to detail that I stuck to is appreciated and also like I mentioned earlier the small seperate side pieces are included with mine the NOS sticker that I ordered didn't have them so that is a plus because those never had a seperate part number as far as I know so they couldn't even be located.

gcgarner

OK ... you're right, Daz. Me being here two years or so makes me a noob, and thus gives you the right to pull out the "I've been here longer" card that is so often used on this forum. But in my defense, I wasn't on a "tangent", I was simply making some observations and commenting on them. I also refuse to consider myself a 30+ yr. old brat and actually take a little offense to that considering I have worked my butt off to get the car I have and am very proud of it. But, I digress.

Sorry for not knowing about your little joke with the mods, sorry for not knowing that you were the Grand Pumba of BBC Camaros, and sorry for not PM'ing you. You obviously have a great knowledge of this forum 'cause you have found every way possible to spell the "F" word without it getting censored and looking like ****. Please accept my apology. BTW nice convertible. The BB IROC doesn't "tickle my pubes" much, though.

Either way, I'm looking forward to getting my sticker. Thanks again Jstoltz. I never thought that your hard work on this would turn into a shouting match between a "noob" and a tgo veteran that demands respect and can't believe anybody would pass judgement based on a profile ... but what else do you have to go by?

JWKbride

Jstoltz...thank you for taking the time to do this....its much apprecitated

At the end of the end of the day, if someone can find a cheaper, better way to do the work then go for it. I don't think Jstoltz is going to quit his day job because he is makeing thousands of dollars on this deal.

In life I have learned there are actions and there are words. Jstoltz took the time to do this, communicted his progress on this forum and completed the task....all I hear is a bunch of words about how it can be done cheaper, yet I have yet to see it for sale.

In truth, I have not seen anyone else offer up an different solution....although I have seen old GM stock for sale on Ebay for over $200.

Not trying to pick a fight, take sides, etc....I don't know anyone personnally on this site....I'm just happy someone took actions to fix a problem and is willing to share the solution with the rest of us.

gcgarner

I only took offense to Daz's comments because I know what kind of work Jstoltz has put into this, and it kind of ripped me up that someone who hasn't followed his progress (or at least said anything along the way) suddenly chimed in and said things that made it look like all his work wasn't worth it. I know it will be. And then the "noob" and "brat" comments were dropped along with a couple of F-Bombs in my direction (by a TGO vet that is supposed to be a little more cool-headed based on experience, you would think) and ... anyway ... I'm done with this. I'll post pics when my paint job is done and my new sticker is on!!

Daz

I just mentioned options for people here and if 30yr old brats take offense to it then so be it. This forum is for discussion to benefit ALL members and choices are always good people.

Dealing with sign shops years ago gives me an idea the cost of vinyl and labour associated with it.I simply shared my experience.

To the child that still dancing around, backpedalling and whining about something completely out of topic.Please, shut up.You try to be funny and a hero at the same time but it didnt work.You ended being a half-clown fool.I will stop once you stop addressing me.

Noobs like you make this sight unmanageable.

Jstoltz, again good luck with the sale and thanks to your efforts

jstoltz

hate it or love it it is now time to get back on topic. I will post up a pic with one installed on my project tonneau cover in the morning, well sometime tomorrow anyway. the tonneau is from an 87. I left the original adhesive line on there and just sprayed it with a semi gloss black so the decal will show up. I left the adhesive line on there to show how much difference there is. the NOS and mine are both based off of 89-92 decals the 87 88 decals were wider but all the NOS are 89 and up. I am going to try, and I really emphasize try and have another file made for the 87 and 88 stickers but it won't be in the near future unless it turns out to be easy but there are virtually no points the same other than the inside radius. It took me all of 5 minutes to put the sticker on so it isn't pretty (I am no body man) but it is just to show the accuracy. They aren't really hard to put on but I had the line from the previous sticker too, so unless you are confident in your abilities I recommend these to be installed by your painter. It is entirely up to you just take your time but pretty much any paint shop shouldn't charge any more than $20 to install it and make sure it is perfect.

gcgarner

Like I said, Daz, I'm done with this. Be careful what you say before you run off anyone who has a new-found interest in third-gens. This site was not just created for people who have been here since the beginning. If you have anything else to say, PM ... or even call me at (828) 443-2701 and we'll talk about it. No more talk about it in this thread, though.

So you think I should have my painter install, jstoltz? I think I might be a little more particular with it than he is, but he might have some more experience with it. Do you still wet it like a model car decal so it has some workability? Can't wait to see pics.

jstoltz

honestly like I said it isn't hard but you do have to be careful. They install just like window tint. mix a couple teaspoons of dish liquid with warm water (or just get the spray for window film) and I just peel the sticker away from the backing paper at the center notch enough to cut the backing paper. That way the backing paper is two pieces because you do need to start in the centermake sure it is wet but it doesn't have to be soaked just wet. and lay the sticker even with the latch plate on the tonneau and just follow it down make sure it is wet though because the adhesive is strong. I took these pics while the water was under the decal still so it would show up. The vinyl is crystal clear.

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jstoltz

sorry for the crappy paint on the tonneau cover but that is the one I have been testing the fit on so it has been painted a couple time to cover up scribe marks from the cad process of this.

jstoltz

anyone else interested?

JWKbride

Yep, check your PayPal account....I just sent you a payment. Look forward to getting it!

jstoltz

ttt anyone else need one? I talked with a local place about redoing the header trim pieces yesterday and he is supposed to get back with me next week so keep your fingers crossed on those

gcgarner

Got my sticker today! Didn't expect it to come in such a little box ... pretty wild how it all fit in there. The material looks nice. I am really nervous about putting it on. Of course I have a couple of weeks to build up my confidence while my paint is going on. Hopefully someone else will have tried putting this on by then. Good work Jstoltz!

jstoltz

Thanks
yeah I made sure it stayed in there without creasing before I taped it up but that was the same size box as MDM sent my NOS one in. I will be using the priority tubes as soon as they come in. My local post office was out and they were on back order should be here in a couple days. I am still trying to get some of the things refined somewhat but yeah the one you got will definitely look acceptable. I want the side pieces to look better though. When I installed the one on the test tonneau for the first time it