VE1 scaled for 200rpm
02-23-2005, 04:06 AM
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VE1 scaled for 200rpm
Has anyone tried changing the rpm scale on VE1 to 200?
Did it help much?
This might be of more use to people with a 3 spd & or bigger cams.
I know I don't get max cruise vac until 2400rpm so I was just thinking.
It's pretty simple to do in the code.
Once you figure out how.
Makes it real easy to stretch out the map scale to 17 also.
Just a BRA.
Would swapping to rpm/12.5 help too?
I was too tired after I got the two tables and the l/u straight
and didn't want to see if it would help or hurt.
Here's a hint on how to do it.
3D L/U
Table L/U's
Did it help much?
This might be of more use to people with a 3 spd & or bigger cams.
I know I don't get max cruise vac until 2400rpm so I was just thinking.
It's pretty simple to do in the code.
Once you figure out how.
Makes it real easy to stretch out the map scale to 17 also.
Just a BRA.
Would swapping to rpm/12.5 help too?
I was too tired after I got the two tables and the l/u straight
and didn't want to see if it would help or hurt.
Here's a hint on how to do it.
3D L/U
Table L/U's
Last edited by Z69; 03-26-2005 at 12:21 AM.
02-23-2005, 07:29 AM
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Re: VE1 scaled for 200rpm
Originally posted by Z69
Has anyone tried changing the rpm scale on VE1 to 200?
Did it help much?
This might be of more use to people with a 3 spd & or bigger cams.
I know I don't get max cruise vac until 2400rpm so I was just thinking.
It's pretty simple to do in the code.
Once you figure out how.
Makes it real easy to stretch out the map scale to 17 also.
Just a BRA.
Would swapping to rpm/12.5 help too?
I was too tired after I got the two tables and the l/u straight
and didn't want to see if it would help or hurt.
Here's a hint on how to do it.
3D L/U
Has anyone tried changing the rpm scale on VE1 to 200?
Did it help much?
This might be of more use to people with a 3 spd & or bigger cams.
I know I don't get max cruise vac until 2400rpm so I was just thinking.
It's pretty simple to do in the code.
Once you figure out how.
Makes it real easy to stretch out the map scale to 17 also.
Just a BRA.
Would swapping to rpm/12.5 help too?
I was too tired after I got the two tables and the l/u straight
and didn't want to see if it would help or hurt.
Here's a hint on how to do it.
3D L/U
Yes.
Yes.
I've found using 400 through 2000 RPM by 100 RPM increments is nice. Then a second table that is 2000 through 6400 RPM with staggered RPM increments works out (2000 - 3600 by 200, 3600 - 6400 by 400).
The $8D stuff already has a low speed VE table by 100 RPM increments. Which mask are you working on?
RBob.
02-23-2005, 04:42 PM
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8D aujp currently.
Will need to switch to $58 in a year or so.
Need to complete the 58 hac a lot more 1st.
Very little info in the algo portion. Grumpy doesn't like spoons.....
There is a lot more info on 8D so I'm using it to learn on.
If you use the VE1 & VE2 table space, then 200 rpm fits nicely. Then just shorten the extended table you patched.
And make it 7? x 14 maybe.
I just started/finished looking at this and the rpm/12.5 came to me at the end of the day.
I was looking for a relatively easy fix that is limited to just changing a few op codes around. Make's it real easy for the people that aren't too interested in code.
They actually use/work on their car instead of the code stuff like I do
And I think small spoons are more effective at furthering 8D.
I need to see if there is enough room at the current VE L/U location for 3 different scales. The easy way.
I haven't made aujp relocatable yet. Lots o labels in the algo. Not bad in the cal. It's still a little beyond me. though. The Bua relocatable didn't seem all that relocatable to me at first glance. Or I am making it more involved than need be. Seems to me that the dis.exe uses all those labels to figure it out. They might not all be needed to get it to asm?
I don't spend much time between 1100 and 1650 rpm with my current 3spd/2k stall. Mostly idle or in the 1800 to 2800 range. And my setup isn't that common with 3.08's and a 243 @ 050 solid. Don't see the point in using 100 rpm out to 1600 when only stock type cars spend any time there. That's why I was asking. I don't mind testing, just my particular engines aren't well suited to that range.
So apparently you don't run into the 255 limit using 100 rpm out to 2k? Or does the /12.5 fix that?
I know 2k is 255, but you only go to 1975 using /25 then swap to VEx. Not too sure what can happen when you start bumping up against the 255 limit is all. Well I guess you could but an FF limit in there. But then you need a relocatable bin. Or can you put code in the cal region?
Would a jsr/rts would work fine?
? from above are:
1. Labels for relocatable?
2. 255 limit in 100 rpm scale?
3. code in cal region?
Will need to switch to $58 in a year or so.
Need to complete the 58 hac a lot more 1st.
Very little info in the algo portion. Grumpy doesn't like spoons.....
There is a lot more info on 8D so I'm using it to learn on.
If you use the VE1 & VE2 table space, then 200 rpm fits nicely. Then just shorten the extended table you patched.
And make it 7? x 14 maybe.
I just started/finished looking at this and the rpm/12.5 came to me at the end of the day.
I was looking for a relatively easy fix that is limited to just changing a few op codes around. Make's it real easy for the people that aren't too interested in code.
They actually use/work on their car instead of the code stuff like I do
And I think small spoons are more effective at furthering 8D.I need to see if there is enough room at the current VE L/U location for 3 different scales. The easy way.
I haven't made aujp relocatable yet. Lots o labels in the algo. Not bad in the cal. It's still a little beyond me. though. The Bua relocatable didn't seem all that relocatable to me at first glance. Or I am making it more involved than need be. Seems to me that the dis.exe uses all those labels to figure it out. They might not all be needed to get it to asm?
I don't spend much time between 1100 and 1650 rpm with my current 3spd/2k stall. Mostly idle or in the 1800 to 2800 range. And my setup isn't that common with 3.08's and a 243 @ 050 solid. Don't see the point in using 100 rpm out to 1600 when only stock type cars spend any time there. That's why I was asking. I don't mind testing, just my particular engines aren't well suited to that range.
So apparently you don't run into the 255 limit using 100 rpm out to 2k? Or does the /12.5 fix that?
I know 2k is 255, but you only go to 1975 using /25 then swap to VEx. Not too sure what can happen when you start bumping up against the 255 limit is all. Well I guess you could but an FF limit in there. But then you need a relocatable bin. Or can you put code in the cal region?
Would a jsr/rts would work fine?
? from above are:
1. Labels for relocatable?
2. 255 limit in 100 rpm scale?
3. code in cal region?
02-23-2005, 06:04 PM
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Starting at 400 RPM and ending at 2,000 RPM by 100's is a 17 row table. Have the table overrun the VE2 table and re-locate the VE2 table to an open area. Setup both VE tables to the same MAP break points for ease of coding. Plenty of room for table space.
Not required in $8D, but can create new RPM variables with different scaling as needed.
RBob.
Not required in $8D, but can create new RPM variables with different scaling as needed.
RBob.
02-23-2005, 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Z69
Grumpy doesn't like spoons.....
Grumpy doesn't like spoons.....
02-23-2005, 08:15 PM
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Thanks RBob.
I'll try and figure out the 2000-3600 code too.
While I'm grateful for what was put out.
It strikes me as half a small spoon that required a lot of effort all the same to create.
edit: I'm refering to the $58 src release.
I look at it from the code stand point and it's limited use to me.
You'd be amazed at all the time JP86SS has into the aujp hac.
Hence the half a spoon comment.
But now I realise that I'm in the minority.
The 58 src is a great resource for people that just want to tune.
A much larger group than the "code people".
I'll try and figure out the 2000-3600 code too.
While I'm grateful for what was put out.
It strikes me as half a small spoon that required a lot of effort all the same to create.
edit: I'm refering to the $58 src release.
I look at it from the code stand point and it's limited use to me.
You'd be amazed at all the time JP86SS has into the aujp hac.
Hence the half a spoon comment.
But now I realise that I'm in the minority.
The 58 src is a great resource for people that just want to tune.
A much larger group than the "code people".
Last edited by Z69; 03-25-2005 at 07:27 PM.
04-05-2005, 11:50 AM
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Finally got around to finishing up evrything I wanted on this.
Tested on the bench fine.
Should be tested on a running vehicle soon.
This is for aujp only , so if you use it on something else, it may not work. Somebody already tried.......and failed.(bench test)
Stupid notepad messed up my spacing...
edit: add link to first guinea pig
Test Report
Oh yeah, I put the patch on moates.net..
Tested on the bench fine.
Should be tested on a running vehicle soon.
This is for aujp only , so if you use it on something else, it may not work. Somebody already tried.......and failed.(bench test)
Stupid notepad messed up my spacing...
Code:
; ----------------------------------------------------------
; ----------------------------------------------------------
;
; AUJPVE3.ASM
;
; Copyright Z69 2005 all rights reserved.
;
; ver 1.0 SL
;
;This patch is for mask $8D, AUJP only
;----------------------------------------------------
;
; FL1 VE table 17 x 17
;
;----------------------------------------------------
ORG $9000
NewVe1 FCB 0 ; Min RPM Val
FCB 0 ; Min Load, (kpa) Value
FCB 17 ; Number of BP'S per RPM
;MAP 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95,100
FCB 81, 92,102,112,124,137,147,149,152,155,157,162,166,170,173,179,185; 400
;snip
FCB 138,149,159,168,176,180,184,187,190,193,195,196,197,199,201,203,204; 2000
;----------------------------------------------------
; FL2 9 x 17 2000 to 3600
; FL3 8 x 17 3600 to 6400
; VE tables
;----------------------------------------------------
;$9124
NewVe2 FCB 0 ; Min RPM Val
FCB 0 ; Min Load, (kpa) Value
FCB 17 ; Number of BP'S per RPM
FCB 138,149,159,168,176,180,184,187,190,193,195,196,197,199,201,203,204 ; 2000
snip
FCB 176,187,198,204,209,212,215,218,220,223,225,227,228,230,232,235,237 ; 3600
;$91E4
NewVe3 FCB 0 ; Min RPM Val (3600)
FCB 0 ; Min Load, (kpa) Value
FCB 17 ; Number of BP'S per RPM
FCB 176,187,198,204,209,212,215,218,220,223,225,227,228,230,232,235,237 ; 3600
snip
FCB 137,144,151,159,167,170,173,177,181,185,189,190,191,192,193,194,194 ; 6400
;----------------------------------------------------
;
; Tap into current code and replace
;
;----------------------------------------------------
ORG $CBED
CMPA #80 ;CK if LT 2000 RPM
BCS #VE1 ;BR if LT 2000 RPM to lo rpm table
;....else
CMPA #144 ;CK if LT 3600 rpm
BCS #VE2 ; BR if LT 3600 rpm to mid rpm table
;....else use GT 3600 table
;------------------------
; LK UP VE vs RPM vs MAP VE3
; (FOR RPM GT 3600)
;------------------------
LDX #NewVe3 ; VE3 TABLE FOR GT 3600 RPM
SUBA #144 ; SUB OFF 3600 RPM OFFSET
BRA $CC10 ; Go do 3D L/U
NOP ; Place holder, cover old code
NOP
;------------------------
; LK UP VE vs RPM vs MAP VE2 mid table
; (FOR RPM 2000-3600)
;------------------------
VE2 LDX #NewVe2 ; VE2 TABLE FOR GT 2000 RPM
SUBA #80 ;SUB OFF 2000 RPM OFFSET
ASLA ; RPM x 2 FOR 200 RPM BREAK POINT SCALING
BRA $CC10 ;Go do 3D L/U
;-------------
; LO RPM TABLE LT 2000 rpm
;-------------
VE1 LDX #NewVe1 ; VE1 TABLE FOR RPM LT 2000 RPM
SUBA #16 ; SUB OFF 400 RPM OFFSET
BCC #RPMx2 ;BR if no under flow
;...else
CLRA ; IF UNDER FLOW limit ACCA to zero
RPMx2 ASLA ;
ASLA ; RPM x 4 FOR 100 RPM BREAK POINT SCALING
;$CC10 is next line
; ----------------------------------------------------------
;
; End of Patch
;
; ----------------------------------------------------------
; eof ; Test Report
Oh yeah, I put the patch on moates.net..
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Great work there Z' 
I feel like I'm using a fork!
If anybody would like the "not ready for prime time" version, send me an e-mail. It's still kind of ugly but I'm working on it. I want it to compile before posting it up and it just won't cooperate.
Resistance is futile!
Just like the kid said, There really is no spoon!
I feel like I'm using a fork!
If anybody would like the "not ready for prime time" version, send me an e-mail. It's still kind of ugly but I'm working on it. I want it to compile before posting it up and it just won't cooperate.
Resistance is futile!
Just like the kid said, There really is no spoon!
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