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Old 04-24-2008, 08:26 AM
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Someone walk me trough this 91 TBI

I would like to run some kind of chip emulation like the ostrich but I am a little confused as to what I need.

Can someone in english explain to me what I need for a 91 RS TBI.

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Or should I just do the autoprom?
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Re: Someone walk me trough this 91 TBI

Originally Posted by crrllmich
Or should I just do the autoprom?
MmMmMmmmMmmM Ground All Up!

Materials:
1. A Laptop that meets the minimum requirements for your desired tuning program, which will be found later in the guide.
2. ALDL Cable: The ALDL cable allows you to take datalogs. Datalogs are statistics of all your sensors in table form. This allows you to see certain parameters including but not limited to: TPS (Throttle Position Sensor), MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure), MAT (Manifold Absolute Temperature), Engine Speed (Tachometer), and Vehicle Speed (MPH), ETC. ETC.

ALDL Cable: ALDU1 and CABL1 XtremeALDL and NewCABL1 Combo
This is for any pre-1995 (OBD1) GM vehicle. Everything except the 1995 LT1. You should be able to datalog all of them, and reflash the 94 LT1 as well. Comes with XtremeALDL and NewCABL1 (RJ45/Moates-specific new style). There's a switch on the side which allows you to select 10k (across pins A&B of ALDL) or 'Open' mode. You use the 10k mode for older TBI and TPI setups, and the 'Open' for newer Speed density and LT1 stuff. This item can be used with TunerPro RT, TTS Datamaster, TunerCat reflash for LT1, WinALDL, and EFI Live V4(OBD1).
Source: http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...roducts_id=127
Price: $80.00

3. Chip Burner or Emulator: Next, your going to need a Chip Burner, or an Emulator. A Chip Burner will flash your BIN to the chip, where you can then insert the chip into your ECU/PCM. An Emulator on the other hand, allows you to make changes to all parameters, Click Save on your favorite tuning program (TunerPro or TunerCat), and instantly the changes take effect to the ECU/PCM.

Chip Burner: BURN1 Flash-n-Burn USB-Based Chip Programmer
USB Chip Programmer works with the AT29C256, 27SF512, and AM29F040 chips. Self-powered from the USB port, so no power adapter is needed! Burner can also be used to read stock GM memcals using the HDR1 adapter. While it will only program the three types of chips listed, please note that those three chips can be used as drop-in replacements for most EFI applications. Comes with stand-alone chip programming software (available for download). Also compatible with TunerPro RT. Will read most stock-style chips (2732A, 27C128/256/512/etc).
Source:http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...products_id=48
Price:$85.00

Emulator: An Emulator allows you to do real time tuning. You simply use your favorite RT Program (TunerPro or TunerCat), make changes, and simply click "Save" under the File menu, and instantly the new bin is loaded to the ECU/PCM.

Emulator: Ostrich 2.0 : The New Breed- backordered 'til 3/17
The newest breed of emulator has evolved!

This is the newest Ostrich, the 2.0 unit. It is extremely small and compact, durable, versatile, and powerful. Full 921.6k speed, from 4k (2732A) up to 512k (4mbit 29F040) and everything in between (27C128, 27C256, 27C512). Also works in conjunction with the FordEmu interface.

This new design distills the experience to date from the Ostrich product, adding key power features such as address tracing, totally bumpless uploads and readbacks, fully isolated and buffered inputs and outputs, easy-access pinout configuration switches, clearly marked connectors, upgraded power supply sections, long-life lithium ion coin cell battery backup, reduced chipset USB interface, and common JEDEC-compatible 24, 28, or 32-pin emulation header.

The new form factor is incredibly small and compact. With CNC-cut enclosures, as well as silkscreened lexan product description overlay, the Ostrich 2.0 sets a new standard in fitment and appearance. With state-of-the art performance, it is without rivals.

Comes with 6 foot USB cable and 18" 28-pin DIP emulation header. Also comes with 28-pin machine-tooled socket that can be snapped onto the emulation cable for protection and improved connections.
Source:http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...roducts_id=169
Price:$175.00

4. TunerPro or TunerCat:

TunerPro (http://TunerPro.Net): I personally like Tunerpro. This program you can download from Moates.net, which allows you to change your engine's parameters, and save them for later use as real time emulation, or to burn to a chip.

Once you open up TunerPro, before you start changing parameters, you need your specific BIN and XDF for your application (Engine Size, Spark Tables, Fuel Tables, Etc.).

BIN: The .bin file which is what we refer to when we say ANLU.bin it is the actual programming on the chip. This programming is very basic, and darn near impossible for you and me to “read”. When you make a change like say changing your BPC, you change a value in the bin file.


BOTH of these editors have special calibration files (also known as definition files) that you load into the program before opening your BIN. This calibration file tells the editor exactly how to read your BIN. The BIN needs to be interpreted appropriately and the 'calibration' file takes care of this. This is extremely important because not all EPROM images are organized in the same manner.
Source:https://www.thirdgen.org/promintro


XDF: .XDF is nothing more than a road map that tells tunerpro where to find the tables in the .bin file and then tells tunerpro how to convert that table to something you and I can understand. Think of the .XDF as the secret decoder ring.

.ADS: An ADS file for data logging (you MUST have the correct one or youll get a whole **** load of errors when you data log)

Where do i find .BIN's, XDF's, and .ADS Files?
Go to http://www.moates.net/fileman/ and enter the following information:
Username: MoatesUser
Password: MoatesPassword

From there you will enter a server allowing you to download a host of files, for your tuning pleasure!

Cost: 30.00 for registration. It's free with a registration reminder notice upon loading of program.

TunerCat (http://www.TunerCat.Com): TunerCat is a little more simple for the average tuner. It includes the Base Program, followed by a "Definition File" for your specific application.

Cost: Tuner is 69.95, RT Tuner is 99.95, and definition files are available for a host of makes and models at a mere $19.95 each.

For both programs, something to keep in mind is the fact that you must use the appropriate program for your specific hardware configuration.

ALDL Cable + BURN1: TunerPro or TunerCat
ALDL Cable + Ostrich: TunerPro RT or TunerCat RT


How to Tune
My recommendations for a new PROM programmer (who is already in the process of conducting all of their research) is to begin very slow. This means beginning with the easy stuff. Most BINs can be broken down into 3 elements that the tuner (that's you!) has available to them. Later on in life you will find that there are more than 3, but, for right now, we'll say there are three main elements: flags, constants, and tables.

Flags are switches. They have only two working values (like a light switch: ON and OFF). Flags are things like...

1. Enabling/Disabling Functions (VATS, etc)
2. Enabling/Disabling Diagnostics (EGR, VSS, etc)
3. Switching between one element and another (Auto or Manual transmission?, etc)

Constants are single values. Constants are things like...

1. Fuel Cutoff speed (mph)
2. Fuel Injector flow constant (lb/hr)
3. MPH for Torque Converter lockup
4. Fan On/Off Temperatures (deg. C)

Tables are groups of values in relation to other variables. There are two-dimensional tables (2D) and three-dimensional tables (3D). Examples of BIN Tables are...

1. Pump Shot vs. Differential TPS (2D Table)
2. Target Idle RPM vs. Coolant Temperature (2D Table)
3. Main Spark Advance vs. RPM vs. Load (3D Table)
4. Volumetric Efficiency vs. RPM vs. MAP (3D Table)

In my opinion, the order of difficulty in terms of modifying the BIN is: flags, constants, 2D tables, and 3D tables. I previously stated to begin slow. Well, if possible, begin your experimentation with the flags, move on to constants, then 2D tables. Finally, work on the 3D tables. This is a good approach because it gets you accustomed to the overall procedure of modifying a BIN which is to research the changes, make the changes, burn the PROM, and evaluate changes. It also gets you accustomed to working with your new software, your new equipment, and your automobile.
Source: https://www.thirdgen.org/promintro

What is a Wideband, and what does it do?
The main point of the wideband is to get feedback on the calibration to see if its correct or not. An engine will run anywhere from 11:1 - 16:1, so its hard to see if your VE tables, MAF table, or whatever is correct just by feel alone. It can get you close, but with a wideband, you can dial the tables in so you can be sure your getting the AFR you want. With a properly tuned setup, the actual and desired AFRs can be within just a few percent of eachother.

At WOT, my engine likes 12.3-12.4:1 for peak torque and slightly lean it out to 12.6:1 for higher rpms. I dislike running closed loop, I just don't see the point of cycling the a/f ratio, very rich then very lean when the engine runs much smoother staying at a constant a/f ratio.

Sensors
Sensors are an integral part of tuning. All of the sensors act together, to make maximum efficiency. Here are just a few of the most common sensors found on our TBI's:
1. Throttle Position Sensor (TPS): Generally uses a potentiometer device to measure the instantaneous position of the throttle plate, which is attached to the accelerator pedal. Conditions of hard acceleration and heavy engine load or deceleration will be deteted by this device and the fuel/air system will increase or decrease fuel injector pulse duration accordingly.
2. Idle Air Control? (IAC): Generally used to permit the intake of combustion air under closed throttle conditions.
3. Mass Air Flow Sensor (MAF): Located in the air intake duct between the filter element and the throttle body input which regulates the amount of fuel to be metered to each cylinder. This is an attempt to achieve the stoichiometric ratio.
4. Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP): Used on all “speed-density” systems (those not measuring airflow directly), this device measures the absolute pressure of air in the intake manifold using a silicon diaphragm strain sensor. The output is used in conjunction with the IAT (Intake Manifold Air Temperature), engine displacement, RPM. Exhaust gas recirculation amount and various constants.
5. Coolant Temperature Sensor (CTS): Determines the temperature of engine coolant via direct insertion with the thermistor, usually threaded directly into a coolant passage in the intake manifold. This data is then used to determine the point at which the engine is warmed and a leaner mixture may be used by the fuel/air system in an open loop fashion prior to oxygen sensor warm up. Coolant temp is also used during engine cranking to set the starting AF ratio to a value between 2:1 and 12:1.
Old 04-24-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: Someone walk me trough this 91 TBI

I think I was a little blunt lol.

I just need to know what to order from Moates.

As for what you did reply thanks that is a big help anyway.
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