THEGENERAL

ha ha just kiddin LOL

Rivven87

I couldn't figure out that picture either.. but that thread was too old I didn't think asking would do any good.

It looks like he took out his fuel tank the really bad way, though.

But he sure fabricated one big damn hole. And yeah, it was fabrication. He made a big hole.

Spectre

Wasp just wanted info on installing an access door..
Why argue or contradict him ?

no its not really needed.. but he's set on installing it ..

just felt like adding my opinion ..

THEGENERAL

yeah i pulled that pic from a older thread about the same topic ....i forget who posted it but they were instaling a fuel cell in there ...still dont understand why he would have cut it that damn big thou..LOL

wasp

spectre dont bother, this guy obviously knows everything and has the best car, look what he named himself, this was a useless thread for me, sorry i started it , i thought id get more constructive response, its basically turned into the general and lj opinion thread, later

THEGENERAL

hey pal never said i know everything nor did i ever state i have the best car you just cant take any one elses opinion without gettin your feelings hurt ...all i did was say that cutting up your ride to install a fuel pump is considering how easy it is to do ...dont get all defensive

TexasLT1

Wow, yall must feel real big now telling him how stupid he is for wanting to "hack" his car to make a job easier. Here's a thought: IT'S HIS CAR!

Wasp, do whatever you think is necessary for the job. It sounds like you've got everything pretty planned out as it is. Go for it. Don't let all of the asses here who are stock ****'s tell you you can't do it.

SATURN5

Boy.... what a bunch of bickering..

Guess I'm a hack since I have... lets see...

Cut and notched 1.5" the rear frame rails on my Malibu. Mini tubbed the stock inner wheel houses 2.5". Narrowed the front bumper 2.5" and "frenched" the license plate, narrowed the rear bumper 3".

I won't even go into the hack job of swapping 2 M90's onto a chebby...

If done nicely I don't see a problem of making an acess panel for the fuel pump. Many european cars have them stock. Guess BMW and Daimler are hacks too.. BW

SATURN5

Possibly to remove the stock carp (big hole behind hump) so he can put some flat sheetmetal in to secure the cell. But whatever I'm sure hes a hack too.. BW

ljnowell

oooohhhhh, you guys sure are making us feel bad. Yep sure are. It's still a stupid ideea, and keeping this thread alive doesnt change that.

THEGENERAL

sounds like a bunch of im too lazy to drop my gas tank so ill just cut a big ol hole in my floor to get to it easier next time ..LOL...what you guys gonna do next cut 4 holes in each fender to make it easier to change the plugs without having to pop the hood..LMAO ...and SATURN5 i never said anything about improving a car being bad i just dont understand how a 2 hour job to do it RIGHT is so hard to do why cut up your floor and give it a new place to rust eventually and no i dont think that frenchin your liscense plate or any other mods are bad ideas when you do it to improve something on your car but just to do something to make it easier to access is rediculous......now you guys can post all your flames about it and im not the only one on here to think that its a useless "mod" ..lol...

SATURN5

Actually... I know of several examples where this is a common mod.. Note.. most of these cars are probibaly older than you.

69-70 Big block, and Boss 302 Mustangs.. not unheard of for owners to cut hole to access the spark plugs.. to the dismay of I'm sure many restorers many years later.

mid 70's vega and monzas, with V8 swaps. Again, many owners cut holes for the plugs.. In fact, it was the only way to change the plugs without pulling a head, or engine. BTDT.

Believe it or not plugs on my 302 Pinto was fairly easy..

Now heres one I did on my wife's old escort. Timing belts are a routinely changed item, about once ever 2 years for her's. The swap wasn't all bad other than pulling the crank pulley off. Now the bolt is across from the frame rail, and theres no room between the rail, and pulley to get a socket/ratchet in. Out comes the hole saw a few minutes later, I can see the bolt and remove it from the fenderwell. A slice of tube to fit inside the holes, a quick zap with the ol mig and some undercoat. Made changing the belt a no sweat task. Framerail is just as strong as it was, and other than the fresh undercoat, looked stock..

Now this made things a hell of a lot easier when the time came for a new belt. So was it a "hack" to cut the hole? or is pulling the engine half out of the car better? Work smart, not harder. BW

THEGENERAL

obviosly you dont understand that its a hack job to cut a hole in your car to access a fuel pump so im just gonna leave it alone as i did before you decided to jump in with is this a hack is this a hack is that a hack ...bs ..all your tryin to do is start an arguement so ill walk away because your not gonna ever understand the difference between the two..lol...youve done some good mods and the point i was trying to make along with many many others is it is in fact a hack job to cut up the rear of your car to reach a fuel pump in which can be accessed in about a 2 hour job start to finsh ....lol...i guess you acan also come up with an idea to verify maybe i dunno..hmmm cutting a hole in your floor to change your u-joints..lol..or maybe it would be easier to take out the driverside floor board so you could change the shifter cable easier...lol...sounds kinda rediculous dont it ..lmao...any way if people are afraid of a little work then they shouldnt be driving an older car they should be drivin those new little pretty cars that have a warrenty instead of cutting up good cars to make there jobs "easier".lol...

laiky

my car didn't come with a 383, a tremec TKO, headers, big exhaust, drop springs, fuel injection, Large case high amp alternator, serpentine belt drive, subframe connectors or a 9 bolt rear. It also didn't come with the corvette brakes its getting or the ls1 rears. These were all improvements, since my car is adaily driver i look for ways to make it more reliable and durable as well as easily maintainable. It also didn't have a fuel pump access door, which it has now. I guess like the rest of my mods it's a hack. When these cars were first built there was no intank pump, something to think about. Also something to think about, we are hotrodders, we modify cars to suit our liking and needs. I wonder if cutting and welding or painting and sanding is considered hacking by some.

ljnowell

Yeah thats right. YOu guys need practice at flaming. Listing respectable changes to a vehicle, such as a new engine, or better brakes are in no way anyhting like hacking a ****ing hole in your floor so you can change a fuel pump easier. That is ridiculous. I'm sorry, anytime you are cutting holes in your car when you can do it another way, you are not modding, or fabricating, you are being stupid and lazy.

laiky

how about cutting the hood for a cowl or scoop? Denting a header tube so you can get a socket over the plug instead of removing the header? making a hole in a inside door panel to access the window motor? cutting header flanges so they don't loosen as often? Clearancing a hood for an air intake? Shaving door handles for looks? Having a access panel means i can change a pump after work or in an emergency in about 1/2 hour. I can inspect the pickup assembly or check the tank for contamination too. It just makes sense, i guess if GM decided to stamp a hole there it would be Proper but because i used a cut off wheel its not. Access panels make maintenance easier and less time consuming. Ever look at an airplane?I guess you have nothing better to do??

ljnowell

Ok what is it that will shut you up so you will go back to the trailer park you climbed out of? You are great. You guys are the best. No one else is smart enought to hack a giant hole in thier car to save 2 hours time. I wish I was as smart as you. You are the coolest person in the world. You really set me straight. Dont know what we would do without you around to put us "do-righter's" in our place. Thanks. You have made a profound impact on my life.

TomP

Damn guys, life is too short. If they wanna cut a hole, let 'em cut a hole. If not, then don't. As long as nobody blows themself sky-high by exploding the damn thing, and as long as I never buy a car with a huge gaping fuel pump hole in it, I couldn't really care less.

Speaking of explosions and all that; also keep in mind an accident if you're rear-ended and the gas tank punctures. Make sure your panel is strong enough so it doesn't rupture, that way you won't get covered in flaming gasoline. (Wasn't that a problem with the early Mustangs?)

THEGENERAL

i have alot of better things to do than to sit around and listen to nonsense like the that is being slung around here by you ..lol....and what exacly does an airplane have to do with a 3rd gen car???? do you just come up with these things off the top of your head or what..LMAO....you crack me up man you like listing all the mods that can be made to a car and if someone says that one of em is a hack (and cutting up your floor to do a 2 hour job is a hack ...lol..) and you cant take it without posting a bunch of jibberish about what a bout this and what about this and what about this ...lol......do you mean that if you took your car to a shop and got it back with a hole cut in the floor for them to change the fuel pump or a hole in your car to change anything for that matter it would be okay ???? ..lol....and doing body work to your car is not a hack unless you dont know what your doin ..lmao ...now back to the topic of this thread ...i believe cutting up your car to install a fuel pump is a hack job ........ good night ..LOL

ljnowell

TomP, I couldnt agree with you more, if you read back through this thread you will see that i said, its your car, do what you want. People keep coming to this thread and digging it back up. I dont care if he wants to hack up his car, its his. I just said, its a hack job.

THEGENERAL

with what you said i agree im done with this thread ...have a good one guys

ede

damn this sure was fun. we'll have to do it again sometime