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Looks like a Pro Stock scoop, on top of a Twin Turbo hood, on top of a Jongbloed hood!
Too much.....
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Nice, I thought about going the same route with my Camaro. Can I trouble you for a picture showing the entire rear of the car w/the notchback (from a side angle), from maybe ten to twenty feet away, it you have one of course.....
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mines alittle off but i cant do anything with it. unless i drill holes where it bolts to the camaro (1/2"-3/4" off) but fitment on aftermarket parts may need some modding
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I know you didn't ask but i think its dumb hell it's plane retarded, other then this look you want what are you going to achieve by doing something like this you still have to relocate your gas tank, if you really want to hack up your car to relocate a gas tank for a aesthetic look, Well then go do it . . . we are waiting . . . i think its dumb and pointless
all kidding aside, shadow Z, i agree with fueled soul 100%.
the "gains" out wiegh the work, but go for it.
and to say fueled soul has no creativity, you obviously havent looked at any of his threads on his excellent work.
RSbabygirl, nice work on the hood and dash!! wanna make another?
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the dash took forever and still not finished. the vents are functional too. when i get the led lights installed ill take a night pic
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Man, I guess I just like stuff that doesn't just come out of a box and get bolted on to look like everybody else's bolt-ons!!!! I think all the home grown mods are kewl!!!!!
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i would have made my own notch style hatch, but i got this one for 1/4 the price they go for at hawks website.
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Would have loved to seen how you did your front end. I'm just working off of a photoshop pic. I dig the work you've been doing on the RS. can't wait to see it finished.
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"along with weight distribution" ? explain how this is going to distribute weight better, "practical reasons" what? i never insulted you i said "it was dumb" not "you are dumb" i posted some knowledgeable pics above just for you. i have tons of creativity and imagination but im also realistic.
dude, didnt you know that humpless trunks are total panty droppers!!
all kidding aside, shadow Z, i agree with fueled soul 100%.
the "gains" out wiegh the work, but go for it.
and to say fueled soul has no creativity, you obviously havent looked at any of his threads on his excellent work.
RSbabygirl, nice work on the hood and dash!! wanna make another?
all kidding aside, shadow Z, i agree with fueled soul 100%.
the "gains" out wiegh the work, but go for it.
and to say fueled soul has no creativity, you obviously havent looked at any of his threads on his excellent work.
RSbabygirl, nice work on the hood and dash!! wanna make another?
The hours of pinstriping a car HIGHLY out weigh the "gains", but people still do it. Guys spend years perfecting a technique where the hand cannot move a millimeter out of place, for something that is almost never noticed, but they still do it.
Yet you're telling me a little bit of cutting, $250 on a fuel cell, and bolting sheet metal down is too much work? Right.. I completely respect your opinions, and the fact that you don't like my idea, but what you've said is down right stupid.
I guess this is why most people insult us, and call Third Gens Mu!!et Mobiles.
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shadow, what if you do a mini tub with a fuel cell would that give you the option of removing the hump area? im sure theres a way to remove it. just have to do some research.
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im so mad, took my car to a few diff exhaust shops and all said my tips couldnt be done like that because of the spare tire well. i envy you
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thats weird. i told my guy where i wanted them and and hour later, catback was done. nothing was moved to fit these. there 4 inch tips also
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I think putting a fuel cell in the very rear would be the only option to remove it for the most part. Of course, without relocating the suspension, that's when it would get to be too much work and $ for a little side project.
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im doing another exhaust as soon as the 355 if fully built. going long tube headers and purple hornie mufflers
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heres some hood work
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primed and painted
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it started as a big block stinger hood
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I also made the cowl induction functional.
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not sure about the efficiency of airflow through the 180* elbow, especially coming after the MAF.
is that a 3" dia tube?
i would think that if you could find a bigger tube and flatten it out some (while keeping the same hydraulic radius) it would work a lot better
i know you cant dyno it, but did you do any before and after tests?
is that a 3" dia tube?
i would think that if you could find a bigger tube and flatten it out some (while keeping the same hydraulic radius) it would work a lot better
i know you cant dyno it, but did you do any before and after tests?
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The few times i drove the car when it was wet water droplets that rolled up the hood and over the cowl lip did not fall they got forced into the engine bay.I used the 4" U.B.I. you build it kit from AIRAID. I had more bends and strait pieces to work with but putting 2 90*s together was the shortest path i could come up with.I don't think its forced induction of any quantity but its fresh air for sure.Thats a SLP air lid and stock size K&N air filter for a 4th gen,but flipped over.
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thats still pretty cool 91ls1! I've always liked the idea of making FI in take through a cowl. I think I might try that just for shi*ts and giggles. The temperature is pretty cool here and the intake manifold is always cold to the touch...
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Okay, that's your opinion, but do I care if you agree? Not really. Does anyone bash his ideas? I certainly don't.
The hours of pinstriping a car HIGHLY out weigh the "gains", but people still do it. Guys spend years perfecting a technique where the hand cannot move a millimeter out of place, for something that is almost never noticed, but they still do it.
Yet you're telling me a little bit of cutting, $250 on a fuel cell, and bolting sheet metal down is too much work? Right.. I completely respect your opinions, and the fact that you don't like my idea, but what you've said is down right stupid.
I guess this is why most people insult us, and call Third Gens Mu!!et Mobiles.
The hours of pinstriping a car HIGHLY out weigh the "gains", but people still do it. Guys spend years perfecting a technique where the hand cannot move a millimeter out of place, for something that is almost never noticed, but they still do it.
Yet you're telling me a little bit of cutting, $250 on a fuel cell, and bolting sheet metal down is too much work? Right.. I completely respect your opinions, and the fact that you don't like my idea, but what you've said is down right stupid.
I guess this is why most people insult us, and call Third Gens Mu!!et Mobiles.
Shadow, the reason that you're getting bashed is that anyone familiar with these cars, their structure and design, wouldn't touch your idea with a 10' pole, at least on a car intended to be driven. _Maybe_ if the was a show car and that kind of thing follows some theme or makes room for something specific, but I'm not going to buy any argument that it makes a car more functional.
First, sure, it moves weight back, which might have some marginal utility in a drag only car, but the weight's location and the resultant polar moment is at least as important as the actual balance. Keeping most of the mass of the car as close as possible to the middle of the car helps make the car much more responsive, no big amount of weight at the outside end that is hard to get moving in a different direction, and once you get it moving hard to make stop.
Secondly, from a safety perspective, it's a disaster. Yes, ford (and I really can't think of any others that still do it) has a tendency to design their cars with the gas tank behind the rear axles, and designing them that way means that they add extra structure and safety features to it that other cars don't have and they still manage to get sued every few years for the mess you get when someone rear ends the cars. The earliest that I can think of was with the mustang and pinto, and the most recent was in the last couple of years when it was police getting killed when their Crown Vics would explode when they were rear ended.
Do you really think that you're going to relocate the tank safer than Ford's engineers' original design to put it in that location. To start with, the ford tanks tend to be basically rectangular and flatter, to fit entirely between a series of frame rails that they have back there, and a more significant rear bumper and back wall on the trunk structure. I'll start with that unless you're adding a roll cage and extending the back bars to the bumper you're just not going to have the structure to do this right, much less safely (these cars just don't have much structure at all behind the rear axle), and if you do add a cage built like that you're not going to have the flat usable space that you want back there anyway.
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I really don't want to be part of this half-assed argument, but I guess i can't avoid it.
Shadow, the reason that you're getting bashed is that anyone familiar with these cars, their structure and design, wouldn't touch your idea with a 10' pole, at least on a car intended to be driven. _Maybe_ if the was a show car and that kind of thing follows some theme or makes room for something specific, but I'm not going to buy any argument that it makes a car more functional.
First, sure, it moves weight back, which might have some marginal utility in a drag only car, but the weight's location and the resultant polar moment is at least as important as the actual balance. Keeping most of the mass of the car as close as possible to the middle of the car helps make the car much more responsive, no big amount of weight at the outside end that is hard to get moving in a different direction, and once you get it moving hard to make stop.
Secondly, from a safety perspective, it's a disaster. Yes, ford (and I really can't think of any others that still do it) has a tendency to design their cars with the gas tank behind the rear axles, and designing them that way means that they add extra structure and safety features to it that other cars don't have and they still manage to get sued every few years for the mess you get when someone rear ends the cars. The earliest that I can think of was with the mustang and pinto, and the most recent was in the last couple of years when it was police getting killed when their Crown Vics would explode when they were rear ended.
Do you really think that you're going to relocate the tank safer than Ford's engineers' original design to put it in that location. To start with, the ford tanks tend to be basically rectangular and flatter, to fit entirely between a series of frame rails that they have back there, and a more significant rear bumper and back wall on the trunk structure. I'll start with that unless you're adding a roll cage and extending the back bars to the bumper you're just not going to have the structure to do this right, much less safely (these cars just don't have much structure at all behind the rear axle), and if you do add a cage built like that you're not going to have the flat usable space that you want back there anyway.
Shadow, the reason that you're getting bashed is that anyone familiar with these cars, their structure and design, wouldn't touch your idea with a 10' pole, at least on a car intended to be driven. _Maybe_ if the was a show car and that kind of thing follows some theme or makes room for something specific, but I'm not going to buy any argument that it makes a car more functional.
First, sure, it moves weight back, which might have some marginal utility in a drag only car, but the weight's location and the resultant polar moment is at least as important as the actual balance. Keeping most of the mass of the car as close as possible to the middle of the car helps make the car much more responsive, no big amount of weight at the outside end that is hard to get moving in a different direction, and once you get it moving hard to make stop.
Secondly, from a safety perspective, it's a disaster. Yes, ford (and I really can't think of any others that still do it) has a tendency to design their cars with the gas tank behind the rear axles, and designing them that way means that they add extra structure and safety features to it that other cars don't have and they still manage to get sued every few years for the mess you get when someone rear ends the cars. The earliest that I can think of was with the mustang and pinto, and the most recent was in the last couple of years when it was police getting killed when their Crown Vics would explode when they were rear ended.
Do you really think that you're going to relocate the tank safer than Ford's engineers' original design to put it in that location. To start with, the ford tanks tend to be basically rectangular and flatter, to fit entirely between a series of frame rails that they have back there, and a more significant rear bumper and back wall on the trunk structure. I'll start with that unless you're adding a roll cage and extending the back bars to the bumper you're just not going to have the structure to do this right, much less safely (these cars just don't have much structure at all behind the rear axle), and if you do add a cage built like that you're not going to have the flat usable space that you want back there anyway.
"I guess this is why most people insult us, and call Third Gens Mu!!et Mobiles."
Everyone is scared to do something new, even if it involves something simple such as an interior mod. I've seen the same people over and over doing extremely nice custom work, yet not many people will even utter a single word of their ideas, no matter how simple it may be.
I'm really not even going to start arguing about this again, or even a simple debate for that matter. It was a small idea I had, that would come out looking pretty sharp if done right. I guess, I'm sorry for attempting to think up something that's half way creative, yet not too challenging. This would be a little side project that I most likely will not attempt until 2011, priorities first, and my priorities include a T-56, and paint.
This same idea that I came up with actually HAS been done already. Check out Rad Rides By Troy. I'm not sure how it will end up, but they certainly did relocate the suspension, and cut a truck load of metal out of the rear, to where it would resemble a Fox Body Stang. Although, it looks like they simply did that to fit a wider wheel.
There really is no need to debate over this anymore though, it's been over. It's only a personal opinion of what would look good to me, 99% of the time I respect peoples' opinions on what they do, no matter if it's a funky looking paint scheme, horrid red interior, or any other hideous mod. I expect the same.
Oh yeah, the roll cage ordeal. I've posted this Stang's hatch already I believe, but the cage fits nicely. It looks to be only a simple 4 point, but there is always the option to run a maze of chrome moly near the bottom of the body, to gain back the stock rigidity of the body, and then some.
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You're comparing oranges to apples....
Troy cut everything off the car below the doors, including the rockers, all of the floor, firewall... put it on a full frame with 4 link and watts link and the engine relocated.... That hump that he's going to have to put in the floor to cover that rear suspension will be bigger than the factory one, and even if that wasn't the case you're talking about a totally different car at this point. If you have a few years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to sink into your 3rd gen to turn it into a showcar, go for it.
Your mustang cage picture... yes, wonderful, but that is for a car that was designed with that floor/tank arrangement, not added structure to one that wasn't.
This has nothing to do with doing something different or cool to the car. I may not go to that extent for an appearance thing (I have thought about moving floors and frames around in other cars like I'd really like a C3 vette and am tall enough that I can't really sit in one), but I'll do all sorts of different things to make it go faster or handle better, I'm not bashful about cutting and welding and hate the "buy the right bolt on parts" attitude a lot of people have to "modding" a car.
Point being, the people telling you that this isn't a good idea are the ones that probably have the ability, skills, experience, and even tools... to do the job. It's not going to be cool, functional, or easy to do it correctly (sure, you can do a half-assed hack job, and even that will still be more work than you're describing). Some of us that have searched for the right project car and are seeing how older project cars can be hard to find for a good price don't want to see another car needlessly hacked/destroyed.
Troy cut everything off the car below the doors, including the rockers, all of the floor, firewall... put it on a full frame with 4 link and watts link and the engine relocated.... That hump that he's going to have to put in the floor to cover that rear suspension will be bigger than the factory one, and even if that wasn't the case you're talking about a totally different car at this point. If you have a few years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to sink into your 3rd gen to turn it into a showcar, go for it.
Your mustang cage picture... yes, wonderful, but that is for a car that was designed with that floor/tank arrangement, not added structure to one that wasn't.
This has nothing to do with doing something different or cool to the car. I may not go to that extent for an appearance thing (I have thought about moving floors and frames around in other cars like I'd really like a C3 vette and am tall enough that I can't really sit in one), but I'll do all sorts of different things to make it go faster or handle better, I'm not bashful about cutting and welding and hate the "buy the right bolt on parts" attitude a lot of people have to "modding" a car.
Point being, the people telling you that this isn't a good idea are the ones that probably have the ability, skills, experience, and even tools... to do the job. It's not going to be cool, functional, or easy to do it correctly (sure, you can do a half-assed hack job, and even that will still be more work than you're describing). Some of us that have searched for the right project car and are seeing how older project cars can be hard to find for a good price don't want to see another car needlessly hacked/destroyed.
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You're comparing oranges to apples....
Troy cut everything off the car below the doors, including the rockers, all of the floor, firewall... put it on a full frame with 4 link and watts link and the engine relocated.... That hump that he's going to have to put in the floor to cover that rear suspension will be bigger than the factory one, and even if that wasn't the case you're talking about a totally different car at this point. If you have a few years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to sink into your 3rd gen to turn it into a showcar, go for it.
Your mustang cage picture... yes, wonderful, but that is for a car that was designed with that floor/tank arrangement, not added structure to one that wasn't.
This has nothing to do with doing something different or cool to the car. I may not go to that extent for an appearance thing (I have thought about moving floors and frames around in other cars like I'd really like a C3 vette and am tall enough that I can't really sit in one), but I'll do all sorts of different things to make it go faster or handle better, I'm not bashful about cutting and welding and hate the "buy the right bolt on parts" attitude a lot of people have to "modding" a car.
Point being, the people telling you that this isn't a good idea are the ones that probably have the ability, skills, experience, and even tools... to do the job. It's not going to be cool, functional, or easy to do it correctly (sure, you can do a half-assed hack job, and even that will still be more work than you're describing). Some of us that have searched for the right project car and are seeing how older project cars can be hard to find for a good price don't want to see another car needlessly hacked/destroyed.
Troy cut everything off the car below the doors, including the rockers, all of the floor, firewall... put it on a full frame with 4 link and watts link and the engine relocated.... That hump that he's going to have to put in the floor to cover that rear suspension will be bigger than the factory one, and even if that wasn't the case you're talking about a totally different car at this point. If you have a few years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to sink into your 3rd gen to turn it into a showcar, go for it.
Your mustang cage picture... yes, wonderful, but that is for a car that was designed with that floor/tank arrangement, not added structure to one that wasn't.
This has nothing to do with doing something different or cool to the car. I may not go to that extent for an appearance thing (I have thought about moving floors and frames around in other cars like I'd really like a C3 vette and am tall enough that I can't really sit in one), but I'll do all sorts of different things to make it go faster or handle better, I'm not bashful about cutting and welding and hate the "buy the right bolt on parts" attitude a lot of people have to "modding" a car.
Point being, the people telling you that this isn't a good idea are the ones that probably have the ability, skills, experience, and even tools... to do the job. It's not going to be cool, functional, or easy to do it correctly (sure, you can do a half-assed hack job, and even that will still be more work than you're describing). Some of us that have searched for the right project car and are seeing how older project cars can be hard to find for a good price don't want to see another car needlessly hacked/destroyed.
Anyway, in all seriousness, I realize you know what you're talking about, and have some very strong points, but I just do not care. I don't tell you what to do with your car, I don't believe I've even replied to one of your threads before, or even a post you might have made.
So why act as if you know me?
"have the ability, skills, experience, and even tools... to do the job. It's not going to be cool, functional, or easy to do it correctly (sure, you can do a half-assed hack job, and even that will still be more work than you're describing)."
I guess I just do not possess any of that, you have searched through my garage, you followed me throughout my entire education, and you know what I am capable of.
I'll tell you what, to keep from further embarrassing yourself, by being a judgmental pr!ck, just don't comment on this little idea of mine anymore. You're acting as if I want to perform open heart surgery, not buy a fuel cell, cage, and do a bit of cutting. If it really will make you happy, or at least keep quiet, I'll leave the hatch area of my Camaro alone. Deal?
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Do it just to annoy people!
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I probably will end up doing it next year, not to bother anyone, but just because I've always loved the looks of the Fox Body Stang's hatch area.
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Wow, that is a nice bit of inspiration for the idea I had going. Is that your car, was it done specifically for a tub job? The roll cage eliminates a lot of usable space, but it looks real sharp. Flows good, I like it.