UKREADER

Hello Everyone,

Greetings from the UK

Firstly I would like to thank Willie for answering my e-mail concerning a slight problem I have with my Trans Am.

I have just purchased a 1984 Trans am that was originally a 5 ltr HO. However the original owner converted it to a 5.7 carb.

the car has done only 50,000 miles and has suffered a lack of TLC.

I am now looking to get it back up to scratch and with that in mind would ask if anyone can assist me on information for the following: -

1) Are "original" style seat covers available, mine are torn, and if so where from.

2) The cruise control has been disconnected on my trans am, probably when converted, does anyone know if this can be re connected?

3) Can anyone tell me where I can get struts for the tail gate

4) Can anyone advise me how I find the engine number and there on details of what type of engine is fitted

I thank you all in advance for any assistance you can offer.

Cheers

Ray

PS. Have to say your site is superb.

I am a member of the AAC www.american-auto-club.co.uk in the UK and I hope we can eventually get a site as good as this.

Drew

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1) Are "original" style seat covers available, mine are torn, and if so where from.

No body sells an accurate set of restoration seat covers for any thirdgen. There are some places that offer covers that have similar stitching and close fabric, but they aren't correct.

2) The cruise control has been disconnected on my trans am, probably when converted, does anyone know if this can be re connected?

If the stock engine was a carbed 305, and you have a carbed 350 now, there is no reason why the cruise couldn't be adapted to the new engine. The problem would be finding old school cruise pieces since the design changed after 84, and finding a donor with working cruise would be difficult at best.

3) Can anyone tell me where I can get struts for the tail gate

Any parts store or dealership should be able to get them for you. Since you're overseas you may have to try to find a source online that will ship them to you.

4) Can anyone advise me how I find the engine number and there on details of what type of engine is fitted

Check your VIN number under the drivers side of the windshield, the 8th digit will indicate what came in the car originally. If you want to know what the car has now, there are various casting marks on the block that you can try to locate, but in my experiance with the engine in the car you'll never be able to spot them, so it'd be a waste of time to try. You could pull the valve covers and at least identify the heads, since the head casting numbers are easy to identify.

UKREADER

Thanks for the help.

The original was injected so I think I may run into some problems trying to get the cruise to work

Guest

84 HO was carbed, L69 engine. Cruise should be a snap to hookup, I bet its all still there, just laying around.

UKREADER

That's an interesting thought

I will check it out.

I just naturally assumed it was injection

Bit dark now will look in the morning

Cheers

Ray

kizz

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madmax is right; in 1984 there was no fuel injection. I think it's the only thirdgen year without it (82-83 TBI/CFI; 85-92 MPFI/TPI). You either had the LG4 4-barrel V8 at 175HP which is VIN code "H" or the L69 4-barrel HO V8 at 190HP which is VIN code "G".

word of advice since you sound like you're into restoration: If you find yourself in need of ground effects, 1984 ground effects are a one-year design. they changed for 85-90. most of the interior stuff and colors are also unique for 84 or 83-84 depending on the part. most of the big plastic interior pieces, etc are 82-84.

good luck, sounds like a nice car.

gt

UKREADER

Hello Kizz,

Many thanks for clearing that up for me. In my ignorance I thought they were all injected! In the VIN is a G which is the HO engine ( Sorry was!)

With regard to the ground effect. The drivers side effect has been broken off by the rear wheel arch. I was looking to either replace or repair this section.

I will have a scout round the parts suppliers for prices. However, as you probably know, we get penalised on the postage and import taxes!

On another note. Willie has advised me regarding a Hayden 3652 kit for my electric fan and aircon cooling. The only people over here that supply have to order $200 worth before they can get it for me.

Can any of you guys tell me of a company over there I can order through the web and get delivered?

Many thanks

Cheers

Ray

TA76

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Kizz, not to sound like a know-it-all but technically the 84 GFX was first used on the 83 Daytona TA... thus it had a two year production run.

UKREADER

Herewith a picture of my Trans am.


Herewith a picture of the engine bay. Aircon was been re installed
before I purchased the car.

For it's age I thought she looks pretty good.

Hope to get her back to B+ condition.

Cheers

Ray

darbleinad

that looks pretty good to me. i would say you have a nice car there and a good platform from which to work. any specs on the 350 in there? i see it has headers and appears to have true dual exhaust. i really like the blue colour on there and the big firebird decal. good luck with the car.

UKREADER

Thanks very much!

I have no spec on the engine.

It is going in on Thursday next week to be checked over. Hopefully I will have some further info then.
All I know at the moment is that it has a 5.7 ltr (350?) Motor
Quadrajet Carb
Headman Headers leading to twin headman mufflers exiting from each side of the car. Looks good, sounds great but no ground clearance (approx 2").
So these will have to go and I will be having a new system custom made in 2 weeks dual system twin pipe rear outlet.

As you can see above I was pretty ignorant on the spec side so am now looking forward to you guys & gals educating me in the ways of 3rd gen ownership!!!:hail:

kizz

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Looks like it's been repainted. the front fender opening vent should be body color, not lower trim color. everything grey/silver on there looks way too vivid to be original. stripes are missing. the big hood bird is invalid: was 85-87 only. I know you knew some of this already, but just trying to help you out.

TA76: yeah I know the same gfx were used on daytonas.. but I try not to mention that because then you get a hillbilly that reads that, and he's looking for gfx, and then he specifically goes and seeks out a daytona to rip the gfx off of for his backyard mix&match special, killing a daytona in the process. in other words yes, the gfx are the same for 83 daytona.

UKREADER

Hi Kizz,

I was wondering about the colour.
Unfortunately the spec sheet is missing from the centre console but I will endevour to find the original colour and put it back to that. Inside the door panels it appears slightly lighter.
Aas for the silver everywhere. On looking at a lot of the pictures on these forums I gathered that the original owner must have done that bit of "custom" work. Along with the bird on the hood.
I was also wondering about the front bumper inserts as from my readings this seems to be an 85 issue. Am I wrong?
As for the Gfx I think that is going to be a difficult one to solve (especially from this side of the water!)

When you say stripes are missing. Where do you mean?
I have found a company in the USA that can do correct striping for Trans am's so any info on this would be appreciated.

Appreciate your input

Cheers
Ray

kizz

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to UKreader: check the cowl plate under the hood for the original color scheme. it's the size of a credit card, on the upper radiator support. it'll have a code ending in L and one ending in U, plus possibly one ending in M. all codes on the second line down. the L & U will be the upper exterior color, M will be the lower trim color (ground effects and stripes/decals, as far as 84 is concerned). the car was more than likely 2-tone, as most 84 T/A's were. the blue/silver in your photo is a valid and popular color scheme for 1984 T/A, so those might be original colors, though again I'll say it looks repainted to me. if you can't decode those codes on the RPO decoder, post 'em here and I'll to to look them up. your ground effects look valid and in good shape. I wouldn't really mess with those unless I was repainting. Mirrors and rear spoiler would've been upper body color too originally. looks cool I guess. I guess the previous owner liked to accentuate those parts and the front fender vent holes.

front bumper inserts: they look valid for 1984. they are actually 1984-only (plus 1983 daytona pace car). Driver's side insert should have an indented trans am name on it, I believe.

stripes and decals: you can find them here: http://www.phoenixgraphix.com/transam/1984ta.htm if your car was dark blue originally, then you need silver. it'll depend on the RPO's on the cowl tag (see above). The hood H.O. decals only apply to the L69 engine. LG4 cars didn't have them.

beware cheaper websites.. phoenixgraphix seems to have really great reproductions, while cheaper no-name sites have poor quality. to see an example of what you want to avoid, check the low-quality decals at this link.. car has been repainted with bad decals.. the eagle looks so DOOFY it's not even funny.

gt

UKREADER

Hi Kizz,

Pick your brains again!

Found the codes

They are as follows

27L = Secondary colour Med Saphire Blue
27U = Primary Colour Lt French Blue Metallic (91)
22C = Trim Cloth Dark royal Blue (Mine are light grey 2 tone!)
AR9 = European style bucket seats
CCI = Removable glass roof panels

Therefore sounds to me like the car maybe slightly wrong in colour.

What do they mean by primary & secondary? Is it Primary = Body Colour Secondary = Ground effects?

I am intrigued now as it would appear the car should be lighter with a dark gfx with dark blue seats!


Look forward to your comments on this one

Many thanks

Ray:hail:

UKREADER

I See what you mean about that bird?

Your right. That's an insult to the vehicle!

TAdan

UKREADER. Welcome to the site. Based on your color codes, your car is actually: Medium Dark Royal Blue metallic. (FYI, the websites decoder is only correct for 1991, codes changed between 84 and 91!). My car is the same exterior color. Here is a picture of my 84. (Keep in mind it has aftermarket wheels, late model taillights and is in dire need of a paint job! All of the decent pics are too large to attach, sorry.) I hope the picture helps though.

UKREADER

That's Brilliant!

Thanks for showing me the picture

I assume mine should have the same style striping as well.

I would appreciate if you ever get the chance to see some interior pictures. I am curious if I have the correct seats now.
They have the same old problem (ripped) and I am thinking of having them leathered. As I said my car has grey seats when I feel they should be blue!

If at any time in the future you could furnish me with some picture s of how mine should look it will put me in good stead for sorting it out.

Many thanks

Ray:hail:

kizz

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The AR9 helps to identify the type of seats you had, but I'd have to see the rest of the cowl tag to see exactly what material and color interior you had. For a blue/silver 84 TA though the most common interior will be cloth / grey interior, so I'll post a couple of those. Not sure about the rear seat but it's more likely going to be split 50/50 down the middle with each seatback reclining independently.

these interior pics are from a white/silver exterior car but I think the interior would be right for a blue/silver too:

kizz

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enterior

kizz

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exterior pics from various blue/silver cars

kizz

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exterior (UBB is active quirky, mixing up my posts)

kizz

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last one.. interior from white/silver again

UKREADER

Hi Kizz,

Thanks for the pictures.

front seats in mine seem to be a different shape. Maybe they have been changed from a firebird? I will post some pictures when I get some light!

The back seat is a 50/50 split and the front bumper is as per your picture.

I really appreciate your assistance on these matters. They may seem like silly questions but as you can imagine I am very limited for this type of information over here.

Cheers

PS I will get all numbers from plate

UKREADER

Kizz,

One thing I meant to say.

My T/A originally had the Turbo vec wheels (The ones everyone wants for K.R. Replica's).
The guy swapped them off his Firebird for the wheels as per the ones shown!

Are these the correct wheels for the car? or were they an option.

Both sets are 15"

TAdan

My interior looks exactly like the pictures Kizz posted. (Less a few options here and there).

I have seen a blue/silver 84 W62 car with a blue interior, in fact it is in my town.

kizz

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N89 = 1982 (14x7, 15x7), 1983 (14x7, 15x7(early/rare)), 1984 (14x7(rare)) - turbo cast aluminum wheels, "k.r.", etc. large disc-like center cap


N24 = 83-84 (14x6, 14x7, 15x7) - turbo fin aluminum wheels, small center cap


N78 = 84-92 (15x7) - the ones shown above, small center cap

in 1984 the N89 (the ones you used to have) was not available in 15 inch anymore. it was only available in 14 inch that year, and it's actually very very rare on 84's because most cars had the newer design wheels (N78 and N24) as an upgrade, and very very few had the "standard" N89. sorry I'm bad at explaining this, but basically I think the ones shown above on the blue cars are the most likely ones for being original to your car.

seats: if you have AR9 then the style you have should be the one shown above in that white/silver car. I believe the only other styles available (to a regular 84 T/A) would be the "budget" seats i.e. the basic default ones, and the multi-adjust Lear Seigler upgrade seats. materials and colors may vary, but pics below:

UKREADER

Hello Kizz

What can I say!
You are certainly a mind of information about these cars

I now know the car has N78 wheels so I have to find a company that sells centre caps for the wheels. Should they be black or plastic chrome?

As for the interior. As per your detective work it is the same as the white & silver one!

I'm amazed at your knowledge

Are we able to write / email anyone to find out the original build info for the car?

Also is there anyone I can contact to try and get a duplicate of the original owners handbook etc

thanks for helping me out

Ray:hail:

kizz

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owner's handbook: www.ebay.com is a nice and cheap place to find stuff like that. i don't see a 1984 manual at the moment, but they are on there all the time. there are also places like www.helminc.com and www.mclellansautomotive.com that specialize in that sort of thing, but they're bound to be pricier. helm has it in stock now for $20; ebay has it less frequently but cheaper.

center caps: "hex" six-sided black caps with silver eagle in the middle. notice the last exterior shot i posted shows a gold eagle.. well that's invalid. that was taken from a black/gold car, probably. if you're going for accuracy, blue/silver requires a black cap with silver eagle. also should be available on ebay occasionally. beware cheap-looking replicas.. as far as i know, nobody makes true reproductions so you can only find them used/NOS.

build info: you could try looking for the build sheet under carpeting, under a seat cushion, etc. it's a printout from the assembly line frequently hidden in the car. hard to find (sometimes impossible), but if you find that, it would list pretty much anything you need to know about the car. personally i have never found one; just my luck, heh. but people find them all the time. could also check out www.phs-online.com where for $35 they'll send you the factory invoice (different document than the build sheet) listing some details about your car plus general info about 84 firebirds. they also do window sticker reproductions. If the car's middle console between the seats is original, look in there for the SPID sheet, a sticker about the size of envelope with all kinds of codes on it.. that would be almost as useful as the build sheet. would list all RPOs which are codes that describe the car, its options, etc. so you've got options. SPID sheet is a good way to start since 1) it's free, and 2) lists all options and codes. if it's not there, do a quick search for the build sheet. if not, try PHS. less detail, but good resource.

gt

82 TRANS AM

Great thread.

UK, if you were to find a similar piece of plastic for your aero, you can glue in a piece where it's damaged, or just use the glue. Try Lord (Fusor) products.

Don't give the Names of colors too much attention as they change from year to year and different paint mfgs many times have different names. It's year, code, and if available, WA. As in WA-8774 (code 81 red).

N24's were available on 82's. In silver at least. I'm scanning my build sheets today Kizz, i keep forgeting. I'll send them to you.

Nice looking car UK. Is it a WS6? Did you mention what trans?

You could also use silver WS6 center caps. Probably harder to find, but if you see them don't pass.

UKREADER

Hi Kizz,

I will certainly try all the options you have give me there!

With regard to the centre caps. The car originally came with plastic Chrome. However, I have a couple of them but the locating lugs are broken off.
Hence why I was asking the questions. The guy gave me 1 black firebird emblemed cap off a white firebird that he has for spares ( Its white with a 5.7 poss 1983 only 29000 miles but I have nowhere to put it and no time to do it!)

Hello Kenny,

Pleased to make your aquaintance!

I don't know if it is a ws6 model. But I do know that it has rear discs!
Kizz has given me so much info that I am hoping to find all I can about the car and to get it back to it's former glory as a rolling restoration project.
This is my weekend / sunny day (don't get many of those!) play thing. I have just imported a 2002 Chevy Express Explorer conversion van so as you can imagine we are quite into our American vehicles!

Going back to the subject in hand. It has a 4 speed auto gearbox
It has aircon, Electric colling fan, Cruise control, electric hatch release, T tops and still has the original T top holder in the car (Bag)

With regard to the ground effect I may have to fabricate the missing piece by taking a pattern off the other side. Will keep scouring though. I may be lucky.

Thks for keeping this going for me and for all the info you are passing on. It is greatly appreciated from this end and I hope I will be able to do you guys justice by getting the car back to original glory.

Ray

UKREADER

Continuing along!!!!


Have any of you come across this problem and got a remedy?

When the lights are switched on or when the door is open with the engine running the lights are "pulsing". Battery is good, Alternator is good. Had them checked and apparently nothing untoward is showing up. I had the same problem with my old GMC conversion van, replaced the alternator and didn't find the answer.
This is extremely annoying to say the least. What do you guys think the problem could be?
Should I put this under a seperate post?

You got to admit guys. I must be stopping you lot getting bored!!!

cheers

Ray

kizz

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Hi,

I'm not sure about the pulsing but I'll tell you this: my sister's car (96 Saturn SL2) was doing exactly the same thing recently: good battery, good alternator, but while driving or revving, all interior dash lights were pulsing as were the headlights, to a lesser extent. Even while idling, but less. I was dumbfounded for about a week there, but it turned out to be just a loose battery cable. Hopefully it's the same easy fix on yours, but if not, then I'm not sure. Maybe the alternator is breaking down ever-so-slowly, but that's a guess. On my 85 firebird the alternator is dying an extended death. the higher I rev, the lower the voltage goes.. about 13 volts at idle, to 11 at 2000 rpm, 10 at 3000rpm, etc.

Electric fan means it was an L69 originally; the top engine for 84, with 190HP and functional hood induction. I don't know how crazy you are about originality, but it seems like it'd be hard to revive an L69 from across the atlantic. but if it was me I'd focus on a cosmetic restoration first anyway. Just my $0.02 'coz I love the 84's.

kenney: I remember you saying that before about 1982 N24. That would be a rare car. I don't think I've seen one, but the build sheet doesn't lie. N24 wasn't always the turbo finned wheels, but for 82 I assume it would have to be.

useless fact of the day: N89's were also available in 13 (thirteen) inch. but not on firebirds; on J2000's. talk about micro-pimp never seen a single one in real life. only in pontiac brochures.

gt

UKREADER

Hi Kizz,

I will have a look at that tomorrow.

I will be doing a cosmetic refurb and possibly putting standard air cleaner etc on the engine

I don't think I could go down the road of changing the engine back and trying to get all the proper plumbing in place.

As long as she looks right and runs right I will be happy!

82 TRANS AM

I would try a separate post Ray, maybe in electronics. 99.9 percent of third gen problems are'nt unique. Hopefully you can flush out someone who has had the same problem.

In '86, when i first got my car a headlight went. The relay. I bought it from a Chevy dealer and took it back as it was still under it's used car warranty. (19k mi) My girlfriend at the time worked there. She called me at work and said they will need it for a few days, and BTW, don't come over here, you don't want to see it. I was there in about 20 minutes. My dash was in the back seat, steering column on the floor, heater duct pieces everywhere, and wires all over. I never got a real good explaination out of them (i really did'nt care at the time anyway) but i guess they put a new harness in it, under some technical service bulliten.

They have been trouble free for the last 16 years. Lucky in hindsight i guess, it seems a lot of other '82 owners (83/84 too i think) have had plenty of problems. I think it was 85 or so the motors changed. Slightly smaller in looks, and much quieter.

Kizz IS the man when it comes to the 82-84's. That's why i need to get him my build sheet. A Saginaw 4-speed WS7 with N24's. Basically my car was about the last one down the line in 82, and whatever was laying around, old or new, was tossed on it.

90TA

N24's were announced in late March 82 as a no cost wheel choice for S/E and Trans Am with WS6/WS7 but were put on hold until around the end of June. Available in silver and gold, used mostly on Norwood built models to help alleviate a N89 shortage.

82 TRANS AM

Kizz/90TA, if N24's came in silver and gold, (i know they did), why would they be both have the the same RPO? What differenciated (sp?) them? On the assembly line that is.

Just trying to feed my library of usless trivia i guess.

The reason i ask is my car is a gold wing, but came with silver N24's. It would make since (to me) that the gold wing option would automatically call for gold N24's, but did'nt.

kizz

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82 Recaro T/A N89's (gold N89's with gold cap sticker) had the same RPO as silver N89's with red cap sticker.. both "N89". But, 82 Recaros also had the RPO "55P", which denotes Gold Wing Metallic wheels. so I figure it would be the same for N24.. if they were gold, the car should've had 55P or something else ending with a P to differentiate it from the default, which I think is 15P (going off memory on that one, so I could be wrong).

I'm not calling BS on you but that sounds kind of fishy. Kenney's 82 N24 car is probably legit, especially if it's real late into the production year and if he has the build sheet, can't really deny that. You say N24 was introduced in late June.. Norwood #522775 was built in real late June (06E). Last Norwood car was #539961. So that's 17,000 cars built at Norwood during an N89 shortage? I don't know if I can buy that. All I can tell you for sure is I've seen hundreds maybe thousands of '82 cars online, mostly thumbnail pics on autotrader. etc. Many of them had their wheels swapped for aftermarket wheels, but on the few that are original, they usually have N89's, except when they have steel wheels or something else like N90 bandit wheels. I think I would've seen more N24's if they were available for a span of 17,000 cars. If you have some internal bulletin scans or something, those would be cool to see just for curiosity's sake

kizz

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heh, well I'll be the first to shoot down my own ego. I'm not on here to try and impress anyone. I call it as I see it. I'm just a huge fan of these cars. Huge fan of 82-84 firebirds. If I can turn on other people to the cars and make them appreciate the cars for what they are and try to restore them to stock, or at least convince them not to go full-blown K-mart/backyard/hillbilly/hodgepodge, then I've accomplished my goal.

You'd be surprised, I'm actually not too great at working on cars. I've had the same busted heater core in my '85 for a few months now, and I'm reluctant to work on it because I don't know if I'd be able to put it all back together properly. Can't even drive with the window up anymore because it fills up with fog inside. It's only a matter of time till I have to do it, but I'm putting it off. One time I replaced my own water pump that was shot, and I was proud of myself for like a year for that, and it was a huge accomplishment, because I otherwise suck at working on cars.

So yeah I know a truckload of info as far as what they looked like, the differences between their cosmetics, their fine details, and a little mechanical knowledge here & there. but I'm not "the man" by any means on the mechanical side of things. Humility comes before anything else, so I must admit I'm just an average novice schmuck at that sort of thing. thanks though

gt

UKREADER

Hi Kizz,

One last quick question.

I appreciate your comments / advise concerning originality etc.

I have just found local to me a US car breaker.

He has a 4th Gen camaro with black leather seating.

I know the seats will fit etc. Mine already has an electric drivers seat anyway.

I haven't seen these seats (car done 10,000 miles). If these were fitted to my 3rd gen. Would they look "out of place" for the car or , in your opinion, would they compliment it an not spoil the originality factor.

I know this could be in another thread. But as I am concerned with originality I value your answer

Cheers

Ray

82 TRANS AM

I can vouch for 9000 with N24's available.

August 9. ............530*** And i thought i had a late car.

I'm just the oppisite Kizz. I've been working on GM's for over a decade. Collision wise, there is hardly a thing i haven't done to an F-body. Other than the 7000 + with a 4-speed, i never paid much attention to my car's history before finding this site. But i've never laid my eyes on another 82 with N24's. And that did'nt occur to me until some guy asked me in 1991 if i filled in the slots in my rims and painted them. But with every other one on the road with N89's and missing caps, i could'nt blame him for that question. And that's why they are in the corner of the garage. If i put them on, i look like i'm missing caps. Cheap. Pontiac screwed me really. They ruined my rims because the caps would'nt stay on the N89's.The ditches of America must be litered with those things. I've had Rally II's on it since 94. Time for a change again. I'm thinking those Bullit Mustang style rims, with a black (intead of grey ) center. No chrome for my car. 17 " would be nice to clear the brakes i want.

My car stay's an 82. I've had several chances to change my car around, like 85/92 GFX, GTA/SE hoods ect. But when i got the notchback, i could'nt resist. L/S seats too. Otherwise, rim changes only. I have every original piece of my car except the intake and heads.

Someday i'll learn how to do pics.


FWIW Ray, i have 83 Leer Siegler tan leather seats in my car in place of my original deluxe tan cloth. But my originals are wrapped up and put away. I think if it's done tastefully, it's a good move. IMO seats are fine. Color being the same or tastefull. It's when they have forth gen console, dash, door panels, ect,ect,ect,ect,this, that, and the other thing, is when it's out of hand.

UKREADER

Hi 82,

Thanks for your input.
I agree totally with regard to the swap. If I do it I would only the seats as I want originality.

I haven't seen 4th gen seats "in the flesh" and may yet veto the idea.

As you can imagine getting parts for these machines is like looking for hens teeth over here!

I am thinking of having the interior (fabric) re done as the front seats have just about had it material wise.

If I do I may go for a leather / fabric mix in two tone grey to make it look as original as possible.

I certainly wont be going down the road of consoles, steering wheels etc as it will defeat what I am trying to achieve!

86transamws6

i went to the junkyard today for the first time since fall, and there were a lot of new junkers, one of them being an 84 transam, and yes i know its an 84, its the firebird body with the add on gfx on the front and back, not the one piece like the 85-90 gfx, its black with gold gfx and the 15" wheels, u know the 85-90ish firebird ones that everyone has, but the weird thing is they were gold, i saw u guys writin something about that, the engine was taken but the whole body is fine, i doubt its rare, i just dont see many 82-84 birds. if i harvest the 84 gfx how much would anyone want them? and if so how much?

Randy82WS7

rfgedxfgh

billsfirebird

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ahem....2.5L Iron Duke Throttle Body Injection. ;D

just trying to give you a hard time... I know your speaking of V8s.

UKREADER

Hello everyone,

Just an update to say the restoration is still underway.
Have now had a custom made 3" system with flowmaster muffler fitted. Sounds lovely!( Back to Factory Style!)
Car still not properly on the road as there are a few points still need sorting.

I have a replacement gfx coming over from the USA right colour as well! Plus a few other parts.

I have some replacement hinge repair kits coming over as well.

My reason for resurrecting this thread is that I am going to throw a spanner in the works and get your brains working overtime!

I have been speaking with a specialist breaker for thirdgens in the USA. When I told him of the car and chassis number he immediately said to me I had a rather rare car.

It is a 1984 HO (although now 350 engine) with GFX, rear axle interior trim (overhead console) etc that are apparently unique to 1984 and no other year.
Apparently (as already partially confirmed here) the car was derived from the 1983 Daytona? with extra's and is/ will be highly sought after in the near future.
The drivers side has a knee bolster on the centre console and a roof console with mileage dials (manual) in it. Also there is a leather pocket which I assumed to be an aftermarket mobile phone holder (although a strange place to have one!) which was in fact for a flash lamp.

I was also told this car had it's own rear axle ratio with rear disc brakes (WS6?) and a type2? 700R4 auto box which was a lot stronger setup. Also the Bulged bonnet was unique for this car along with the induction kit fitted.

Now you guys being the experts (Kizz I'm looking at you for guidence here!) I would ask if you could shed any light on this subject for a poor ignorant Englishman! (Clean answers only please!)

Thanks in advance. Look forward to hearing your comments!

Cheers

Ray

TAdan

UKREADER. I dont want to dissapoint you, but the car does not seem to be exceedingly rare. I hardely ever see an 84 Bird here in the U.S, so in England I am sure it must be a rare bird.

I believe the overhead consoles began in 1985 (I could be wrong though). Perhaps it was added at a later point in the cars life. Pontiac built around 50,000 Birds in 1984. Ill check the exact #'s when I am home.

None of the options you mentioned are very rare here in the U.S.

Yes the 1984 T/A and the 1983 Daytona 500 Pacecar replica's shared the same ground effects. The GFX were optional on the 84's. They were also unique to those two models only.

Yes the functional cowl hood was unique to the 1982-84 T/A's. The hood was functional on all 84's. The hood was also used on 87-92 Formulas (not functional though)

I am not certain on the rear axle ratio, but i think the L69 may have come with either a 3.23 or a 3.73 rear as standard equipment (please correct me if i am wrong).

Rear dics brakes and WS6 are always desireable options.

I looked at an 84 T/A just yesterday w/ and L69 motor and 5spd, but it did not have WS6 or rear discs.

i would suggest contacting Pontiac Historic Services. (www.phs-online.com). They should be able to shed a bit more light on your car.

I hope that helped with some of your questions. Good luck w/ the car and please keep us posted.

UKREADER

Thanks for the info

Will keep delving though!

Jproz1167

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uk reader

have you found a section of the left side ground effects, I have a damaged piece that has enough left on it to probably use as a grafting piece if your interested in it

UKREADER

Hi thanks for your message.

I managed to get a complete one from House of Camaro!

Thanks for thinking of me though. It's greatly appreciated to know that things don't get forgotton!

Kind regards

Ray:hail: