Sleeper_Z

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im wondering if one car wasnt a 2.77 geared car and the other 3.27. Its hard telling.

TTOP350

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Just want I wanted to say but I don't like to type

B4Ctom1

The format of junk yard wars would even be more preferrable. Two people that are hosts only slightly knowlegable with atleast one "expert" special guest to advise or help the two crews atleast with some direction.

That would avoid things like big-block trannys for small blocks (like in the mustang episode), and larger aluminum radiators in blower cars were a stocker can barely fit on 300 hp cars when the stockers can support close to 500 hp (this camaro episode).

If they had one specialist in the field he could also help people understand wwhich mods will do the most, and atleast offer a bit of assembly/disassembly advice to avoid wasted production time.

The silliest part is that a basic internet search would yield "specialty" groups of enthusiasts for specific cars that could advise the producers of likely candidates for show advisors. Here on this site we could make suggestions of likely people just from this site that could make better advisors than anyone they could have found regarding third gens.

The mustang enthusiast sites could have yielded a decent advisor for the mustang episode.

The 240-260-300Z sites could have yielded a better advisor for that show.

As far as Dean and Cam, I would have to say that I would have been interested in hearing their personal opinions and experiences with the vehicles at hand.

Cadillac

SNORK!

TraviZ

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is this video downloadable anywhere?

82knightrider

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Quote from marc85z28,"Shouldnt the moderators at least have to pass a basic car knowledge test!"

Im sure Okfoz has passed many test,maybe more than you.He has plenty of knowledge that has helped me and other members on this board with.Ive worked with electritians that have 40 years exp and even they get stumped ,so dont bash because he asked a question.

okfoz

thank you

Viking

Did they say they were both 350 cars? I saw the red one had T-tops, I though you could only get the 305 with the T-tops, at least that is what the deal was in 89 when I bought mine.

crazy3rdgen

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I have the show edited with no commercials ready to post on tgo if someone wants to host it for me .. and for all of us actually

its 297 MB (311,811,290 bytes)


I/m me at sean001134 if u can host it

scottmoyer

I'm sure the History Channel has a statement regarding replaying their copyrighted shows for public display is not allowed without prior permission. Let's not get TGO into legal issues over a show that wasn't that great to begin with.

Please, no more asking for copies of this show or requests to host it on a site for others to see. If this is done thru PMs, then TGO can not be held responsible, but no posts regarding a link to the pirated show are allowed on TGO. If any are found, the post will be deleted.

tom3

Note they mentioned the fuel system, needed 60 psi at higher capacity, then they dropped it. I'd guess someone behind the scenes chiselled the body and put in a new HV pump.
Also note the blower is overdriven about 2.5:1 by the engine pulley, so 4000 rpm at the motor is 10,000 rpm at the blower.
Note the young guys got the best time with shifter in "auto" and not hand shifting. There's a lesson in that.
Whoever designed the blower mounting needs to install one on an actual car, that upper hose deal is plain wrong. Should be no interference in an expensive deal like that.

Nice the see the best looking cars ever built get some TV time!!!

B4Ctom1

no, the guy says they have to INSTALL a new in-line pump because odf the 60 psi capacity and then the computerized graphic shows the pump setup

MonteMan357

did anyone else notice that at the track they had MT slicks on them??

B4Ctom1

yep

Bill Speed

Personally, if they don't feel the need to reference knowledgable sites like this in particular to experienced car owners, why would they look after the fact for copyright infringements?

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B4Ctom1

A&E/History Channel order line for a copy of this episode:

1-800-708-1776

VHS only!!!

item # AH44234

they said they are slowly switching over to DVD, everyone needs to call that number, press 1 to order, and then tell them they need to make this video in DVD.

scottmoyer

They do have people that checks for that. Copyright infringement is a major deal. Taking the time to verify the accuracy of their content is not.

Reopening this thread due to popular demand. Any requests for copies of this show will result in the user being put on probabtion and the thread closed again.

ml258-89iroc

all and all not a bad show. I was just happy to see iroc's on tv. I could of done without alot of the mustang footage on the history of the pony car thou.

meeklay812

Does anyone know if there will be a re-run for this show?? I saw it the first time and loved it but I wanna see it again. I missed about the first 10 minutes

tom3

1988 Iroc-Z Camaro.
Airs on Saturday, January 22 at 5:00pm ET

Tonight at 7 there is a Jeep show, might be pretty good on the early army jeeps.

Aredross

One random comment about the ET's they are running

Keep in mind most of the guys they have on the show are inexperienced in drag racing

and who really wants somebody with sub par driving skills barrelling down a track at over a hundred miles an hour?

Goumba T

Yeah had me looking for that o-ring that could have failed in my filter when I changed the oil today.

B4Ctom1

I have stacked filter gaskets before by having the old one stick to the block, but you know as well as I do that they got in a big hurry and screwed up the oil feed/return lines somehow lines. probably left one off.

ugk

I thought the racing was stupid. The guys in the red iroc (IIRC) were manually shifting the automatic? That's just stupid..

safemode

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innexperience and a state of mind derived from people who only drive stick and never wanna drive anything else. People in a pontiac forum i used to frequent when i had one used to try manually shifting their auto all the time, they always came back with results showing less performance than just sticking it into drive. You'd figure some old school guys would have learned that but they dont really frequent the internet too often. I have an uncle who builds hot rod cars that still believes that once you use synthetic you can't use anything else. It's a lack of communication with other members of a automotive community that allows that type of thinking.


I doubt those kids will keep the camaros, they wouldn't know what to do with them or how to drive them. Much more likely is that they'll sell them or part them out and use the money to buy their skyline conversion body kits and 6000watt speakers with magnets big enough to make them sterile from 20ft away.

B4Ctom1

I always manually shift my 700 car but I watch my RPM closely anything too high and you are wasting your time.

The reason I manually shifted is because a huge point of failure in a 700 is the forward input sprag. Even the special 29 element sprags will fold up and go home when faced with too many WOT shifts. Especially with sticky tires and any kind of decent horsepower.

Sure there were some diode input sprags around for a while but metal fatigue from improper metalurgy caused most of those to fail (it was hit and miss).

The difference is manually shifting you get the added support of the little overunning clutches helping the input sprag in manual 1, 2, and 3. They have to release in 4th or the tranny would bind.

Also in manual first when you launch you have the low reverse clutches helping to hold the low roller from slipping and being damaged.

The way I understand it is that 4L60E's (in 4th gens) only have some of these benefits.

BTW if you are interested, from a guy that builds trannys I have read these guys site, they not only build 700's the way I used to , they have incorporated every new product into their trannys that I would have if I were still building.

I may actually buy one from them just because I can't get all of the parts anymore, and I don't know if I want to switch the B4C to a T-56. I just thought you might be interested to know.

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/700r4.htm

anyways regardless of all of this, Im betting those fool throttle dudes didn't know any of this. I just wanted to make sure the rest of you don't go spouting nonsense that manually shifting a 700R4 is bad.

It is bad because you will likely go too high in RPM and wo't concentrate on everything else, so you will lose.

It isn't bad if you want your tranny to live longer.

okfoz

Actually in my experience by simply leaving it in drive the transmission shifts faster. If I leave it in drive there is no lag between gears.

But I think my car is screwy...

John

MrDude_1

the speed of the gear changes are identical.


putting it in 1st jacks up the pressure some, so on a worn trans, it helps.

also, since the shiftpoints arnt ideal, you can gain time by manually shifting a dead stock car.



the thing is, you need to go down the track 15-30 times, each time shifting a little diffrent until you figure out what the car wants.
they only got 3 runs, and each one counted.


personally, if i was doing that, i would still manually shift it... athough i already have a very good idea of when i needed to shift it.

Avenger007

I agree on the manual shifting points. They only had 3 trys, however, us 3rd gen owners have the opertunity to see where our cars can be shifted for best times. There are threads on here showing time slips with manual and auto shifting. Def decent differences, especially if you have a nice aftermarket shifter, shift light, and better rpm readout. I know many that manual shift, which is why they spend so much attention to the shifter.

As for the show...
I liked it because i got to see third gens. 2 beautiful, well kept third gens just as old as mine. Theres no where else i would get to see those cars on tv and actually have a show dedicated to them. However, they needed to fix a few things which others mentioned above already somewhat:
-cut out the IROC racing footage (circling the track lasted for 5 min of the show)
-i think the supercharger 7000rpm reference really was geared towards the car's rpm. None of these guys were knowledgable on these cars and being import tuners they would know any better (more than likely). The system does however work with a 2.5:1 pulley that would make the charger spin faster than actual engine rpm. but think about that mathematically at 7000rpm
-get rid of these guys, they are a joke. Some of you are on here defending them, but i think they should just restructure the show. Put some knowledgable people on there that can tell us about cams, heads, and tuning. Im so tired of trying to watch full throttle, pimp my ride (ha...just maybe), and overhaul in hopes of actually seeing specs on these buildups to help me learn more. Instead they have to gloss over everything, making the show appeal to a general audience. Very unfortunate.
-I dont feel a better connection to the show because these guys are supposed to be average joes like.
-Give the guys more time and actually overhaul the entire car-suspension, chassis, tranny, engine, maybe even interior.
-guys that own these cars are watching these shows and want to see what is being done to their cars. When you try to make a gameshow out of these buildups, it becomes a joke and quite worthless as far as being informative.

ill go ahead and stop, sorry the long post. I give the show a B only because it showcased such wonderful cars. If only speed vision would do a nice 3rd gen buildup now.

Goumba T

Yeah, and I really don't think of those gaskets as O-rings. However so much has been said of these guys that I won't go any further.

Besides, even if one stuck on the filter mount, would you still get a leak like that? Never had a gasket stay behind on me (I agree with them screwing up a line and not going to argue otherwise... I'm just curious).

MrDude_1

actually, yes you would


if you change the filter adn the old rubber seal stays on, theres two things that can happen:

1. it leaks HORRRIBLY.. like on the show.

2. the pressure skyrockets.. last time that happened, the filter actually buldged out.


its just a simple check to make sure the old one came off, but alot of people dont do it... i always check now, but only because ive made that mistake in the past.

Avenger007

the shop i work for made that mistake about 2 or 3 years ago on a car (double gaskets) and the car drove about 5 miles and tanked. It had built up pressure and the engine blew. the way it looked though wasnt anything like it did in the show. their problem seemed fuel line related and not just filter.

Goumba T

Heh, thanks. Hopefully that'll scare me into remembering every time. Sometimes I look, most of the time I don't, guess I rely on my quality PF25 to come out in one piece too often.

Hey, I actually learned something from this show.

RebornCreed

Memphis' brother gets smashed in a red transam 3rd gen in gone 60 seconds

scottmoyer

LnealZ28

Was it just me or did anyone else wanna see the guy who was driving the twin turbo car take that white IROC for a run?

Really though, a new radiator instead of headers?

RebornCreed

The part where the english ***** is smashing him in the red firebird trying to get memphis to steal cars for him.
Damn man have a memory

nick418

RebornCreed

are you serious
you know what just forget it

scottmoyer

For a new guy on the forums, you're off to a great start!

My post was trying to figure out how the scene in "Gone in 60 Seconds" has anything at all to do with this thread. Maybe instead of telling us to have a memory, you should pay attention to the content of the thread.

The last thing we want now is another, "What movies or TV programs have 3rd gens been in?" We've been over that before!

nick418

The last thing we want now is another, "What movies or TV programs have 3rd gens been in?" We've been over that before!

:werd: theres to many threads about it... There even one on the Detailing Forum