don siddall

I got this car a few months ago it came with a factory radio, rear defrost and its a 5 SP stick I know they made 116 1le z28s in 92 but I do not know how many heritage 1le were made if anyone could help that would be appreciated thanks.

Time2Fly

Looks like a nice car Don, but there's not a lot of love for the 1LE cars on this site - especially on this particular board. And currently with 2 posts to your name, I doubt anyone will chime in with help even if they do know your answer, which I doubt anyone here does.

Scot

Jay_rich

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Quick search and cam across this...not and exact but gives an idea maybe....Post #2.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...roduction.html

Probably going to be tough to find an exact number of Z03 equipped 1LE's since its just an esthetic package

Jay

Jay_rich

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Also

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...e-1le-z03.html

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...ease-help.html

scottmoyer

You're not giving us much credit here. I appreciate that.

The reason that there isn't a lot of love for the 1LE is because so many people believe the car is so much more than it is. Many have compared it to the COPOs of the 60's. That is not the case with a 1LE. The COPO cars violated the corporate engine size and came with an engine that the general consumer had no access to. These were designed to be for racing with the engine to back it up. Similarly, the 1LE was designed for racing, but the only improvement over a standard showroom car was the brakes. There were no engine modifications that made the car perform better. Since people are interested in low production, high performance vehicles, the 1LE doesn't hit the mark any different than a standard IROC-Z/Z28.

In this case, I don't have an answer to his question, so that's why he won't see many responses. There is nothing about post count that limits responses! Another thing to consider is the Z03 package. It cost less than $200 when new, but has been touted as a high demand option and is worth a lot of money. Again, it's nothing special other than a stripe package. There were no performance upgrades that make it special over any other Z28.

A car that could be considered a 3rd gen COPO is the '89 Turbo Trans Am. It came with a special engine that no other Trans Am/GTA came with and was limited in production to 1555.

okfoz

Scott, You could also include the Firehawk in that COPO argument, According to rumors, the Heritage Edition Camaro was supposed to be a counterpart or a competitor to the Firehawk, but the idea was only an idea scrapped before any were made into production, supposedly there was 2 made, but both were test cars, one still exists, the other is gone. So there are people out there that believe that is what it was, some special beefed up Z28 that would outperform the run of the mill Camaro, when in fact, like Scott so clearly stated, it was a sticker package.

I think ultimately why the 1LE does not get tons of Love is stopping better is great, But Going better is a lot more fun.

John

don siddall

thanks for showing me that I don't want to be part of this organization this site is not for all thirdgens its only seems to be about trans ams, firebirds and firehawks and also I went to thirdgen fest spent a lot of money and drove from Pittsburgh to get there and I didn't felt welcome seemed like a big click and i post something about my car and I get nothing but hate because I have two postings nobody will chime whats that about seems to me one big click because I don't have 6000 posts like u scott . I thought this site was for people that had a thirdgen I have love for all thirdgens . Who cares if I have a 1le I was just trying to find out some info about it sorry denny I don't know if u remember me I am the guy chazman post about interesting car at thirdgen fest I had that maroon 1991 g92 with tan interior. I sold it a found this 1le like I said I was just wanting to find some things out about it.

92GTA

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Granted the replies to your thread had allot of esoteric information you didn't ask for, but they still answered the question that exact production numbers are unknown for the combination those 2 RPO codes.

I know you didn't ask for an opinion poll on how important people think the packages are but stuff like that happens on any web forum.

oldtimer

No doubt, you have a rare piece. The number of 92 G92 stick 5.0 cars is already light. Throw in the Z03 group, and you narrow the count substantially. Putting the 1Le group on the car has to be scarcer than the "regular" G92 with air cars. You will probably never lay eyes on another one, in person. I am 48, and have been around these cars since I was 16, with a new 82 Z28, and I have never put my hands on any 92 G92 stick car other than the one I own now, much less a 1LE. Keep in mind that those with the more common, ordinary cars are likely to be critical of other cars that may be less common, but made so with options that do not add a bunch of material changes to the car. On the other hand, those who own cars that are less common have a desire to find value in the things that make the cars more unique than the regular herd. Human nature, Sir. My advice to you is to enjoy your car, and own it for YOURSELF.

RedLeader289

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Hey Don, I have a camaro and this site is for all thirdgens. You may have missed it but Scott was backing you up (see quote above). Post count doesn't matter on here. Some of the best advice I've seen comes from so called "junior members" who simply chime in every now and again.

None of the heat being passed around on this thread was directed at you. It's just that it would appear no one has an answer other than the obvious one-you have 1 of 116 1LEs made. Unfortunately not all the production numbers were broken down and documented.

okfoz

Don,
I did not even realize that you were a newcomer. Scott gave you a straight up and honest answer, and I think you did not like it.

What you wanted for free you can purchase here: http://www.compnine.com I suspect you will get the answer you need there it will narrow it down to how many were like yours.

Good luck.

Bob88GTA

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Time2Fly.......you really know how to welcome new members and make them feel good.. That was downright wrong on what you said. I'm with ScottM, thanks for that.

And then there's this quote from Don S....."thanks for showing me that I don't want to be part of this organization this site is not for all thirdgens."

Again....we third gen owners appreciate that!

chazman

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You've got a cool car there. Post more pics!

chazman

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I don't know why you said that, but you are flat out wrong.

chazman

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Hey Don! I didn't realize that was you. Welcome to the site.

RedLeader289

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I'm with chazman, I'd love to see some more of that car

Bob88GTA

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I think Don was chased away to another forum.

Love to see them too!

InfernalVortex

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Whats with all the ridiculous butt hurt flowing around?

The 1LE package has a lot of mysticism and nonsense around it and people obsess over what did and did not get included with it. I wouldnt say people here dont care for it. That's kind of a strange thing to say. It's just rare so few people have experience with it.

scottmoyer

Past history.... it was brought to our attention by another member (that we don't see here anymore) just what the 1LE package really is. While we all knew it was a brake package, he made it known that that's all it was. It became a big issue years ago as many people were putting 1LEs on a platform of performance superiority over the rest of the corral. The 1LE is special in that it has an option that most of the cars don't. It's heritage is based on the racing scene and the R7U Canadian Players racing. That's pretty cool, but unfortunately, it doesn't make it a potential super car. Don, you have a great car and I'd love to own the combination you have. Many of us still want the 1LEs because of what it is and it's heritage. It's similar to the B4C cars. I'd love to have one because it was based on a different purpose and they were limited in number. To me, the best option is a '92 B4C/1LE combo with Heritage Stripes, but it hasn't been confirmed if any exist!!!

t_towner

Poor Don! Sorry he got off to a bad start!

Someday people will return to the cars of their youth (it's already starting to happen) and they will pay a premium for the desirable/rare cars. That premium may not be much over a regular car but it will be there to some extent. These will never see the COPO/regular Camaro price spread.

Love the Heritage 1LE's and I finally picked up a Purple Heritage 1LE after looking for 8+ years. I also couldn't find exact production numbers. There are a few Z03 1LE's but they don't show up very often.

Nice car and welcome to the board! They really are a great group of guys....for the most part.

don siddall

No denny its not about the answer I got from scott I don't care about that it was the with two posts nobody is going to chime even if they know the answer that was the problem. that is not the way to treat people if this is not the site for 1le's. Then where is it tell me what I am missing! People need to take responsibility for there actions but most don't and that's ok that's the way it is today I am over it. and thanks chazman and everyone's response.

chazman

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Well.....are you going to post more pics, or what?

TTOP350

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Ouch, I saw this post the other day but I didn't respond because I just didn't know the answer. I am watching this post for info tho..

InfernalVortex

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I dont see why he thinks people are going to ignore new posters. I have no idea what that guy is talking about to be honest, and you should take things like that with a grain of salt. The reason you get few replies is because the information just isnt out there. Yes it's a very rare combo. Probably the most rare combination aside from the true special edition models like the Firehawks and TTA's. Chevy never kept track of option combinations, only how many cars got a given option. Compnine sometimes has that information available but it's anyone's guess as to how accurate it is.

David M

A buddy of mine ordered a '92 B4C back in the day and tried to include the heritage appearance pkg. The order got promptly kicked out. But he did order a grey leather interior and GM called the dealer and wanted to know why. In the end the car was built to his specs with grey leather seats but no heritage stripes. I have never seen a B4C with the stripe pkg. but not to say one doesn't exist.

okfoz

I am with you, I never intentionally ignore new posters, heck I actually sometimes like looking up information again to refresh my memory. I think that is why my mind has become a junkyard of all things third Gen.... The first response was from a guy with 150 posts, and it was not helpful in any way shape or form. From there I think if I was Don I would have been pissed too.

Compnine is 90%-95% on the data, so really anything that it would spit back at you you can kind of multiply it by 1.05 or so to get a little more accurate. It really may not be perfect, but it really is the best we have out there. I just wish it went back to 1989.

John

okfoz

Compnine has your data,
That vehicle has 52 installed options returned in the report.
It was built July 06, 1992 as a 1992 model year.

RPO Description Matches
AJ3 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT INFLATABLE DRIVER SI INFL RST SYS(AJ3) 59,850
AR9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,MANUAL RECLINING(EUROPEAN STYLE) MAN RECL FRT BKT ST,DELUXE(AR9) 59,850
C41 HEATER,OUTSIDE AIR,WITH FAN AND DEFROSTER HTR(C41) 931
C49 DEFOGGER,REAR WINDOW,ELECTRIC ELEC RR WDO DEFG(C49) 39,342
D34 MIRROR,INSIDE,SUNSHADE(USED WITH BERETTA GT PKG Z21) S/S MIR(D34) 4,510
D35 MIRROR,O/S LH REM RH DIRECT CTL,PAINTED PAINTED O/S MIR(D35) 42,271
D5S GEAR-SPEEDO DRIVEN (14085510) (D5S) 6,648
D8M SENSOR VEH SPD (10456087) (D8M) 12,534
D81 SPOILER,REAR,AERO WING RR AERO WING SPLR(D81) 4,510
E5Z ADAPTER - SPEEDO - DELETE 59,850
E9Z KEY - SPEEDO - DELETE 59,850
FE2 SUSPENSION SYSTEM,RIDE AND HANDLING(USED WITH TOURING YP5) RIDE & HANDLING SUSP(FE2) 3,240
GU6 AXLE,REAR,3.42 RATIO 3.42R(GU6) 6,648
G80 AXLE,REAR,POSITRACTION,LIMITED SLIP POSITRACTION L/SLIP R/AXL(G80) 5,132
G92 AXLE,REAR,PERFORMANCE RATIO(MERCHANDISING OPTION) PERFORMANCE R/AXL RATIO(G92) 2,658
IPB TRIM,INTERIOR DESIGN (IPB) 22,669
JG1 SHAFT,PROPELLER(ALUMINUM) AL PROP SHF(JG1) 331
J65 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC 4-WHL DISC BRK(J65) 3,234
KC4 COOLING SYSTEM,ENGINE OIL ENG OIL CLG(KC4) 3,234
K68 GENERATOR,105 AMPERE 105 AMP(K68) 38,226
LB9 ENGINE,5.0L(5.0F),V8 EFI CAR ONLY 5.0F(LB9) 2,420
MK6 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 5-SPEED(BORG-WARNER) 5-SPD M/TRANS(MK6) 568
MM5 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 5-SPEED PROVISIONS(MERCHANDISING OPTION) 5-SPD M/TRANS PROVISIONS(MM5) 12,534
NA5 EMISSION SYSTEM,FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FEDERAL EMIS(NA5) 54,137
NP5 STEERING WHEEL,LEATHER WRAPPED(USED WITH GRAN TOURING PKG Y56) (NP5) 4,664
N10 EXHAUST SYSTEM,DUAL(USED WITH TROFEO SPORT COUPE WL3) D/EXH(N10) 3,234
N64 WHEEL AND TIRE,SPACE SAVER SPARE(ALUMINUM) STOWAWAY SPARE(ALUM)(N64) 3,456
N96 WHEEL,16X8(CAST ALUMINUM) AL WHL(N96) 34,132
QLC TIRE,ALL P245/50ZR16/N BL R/PE ST TL HWY TIRE(QLC) 3,240
R8T CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 69 29,267
UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(OIL,COOLANT TEMPERATURE,VOLTMETER,TACHOMETER,TRIP ODOMETER)(USED WITH BERETTA GT PKG Z21) GA(UB3) 59,850
UM7 RADIO,AM/FM STEREO,ETR,INCLUDES CLOCK STEREO W/CLK(UM7) 986
UQ1 RADIO,PROVISIONS FOR STEREO STEREO RDO PR0VISIONS(UQ1) 59,675
U79 SPEAKER SYSTEM,4,DUAL FRONT COAX,DUAL EXTENDED RANGE PACKAGE SHELF 4 SPKR SYS(U79) 53,046
VAN PLANT CODE VAN NUYS, CA, CPC VAN NUYS,CA PLANT CODE(VAN) 59,850
VK3 LICENSE PLATE,FRONT MOUNTING PACKAGE FRT LIC PLT MTG PKG(VK3) 53,996
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73) 58,560
Z03 APPEARANCE PACKAGE 25TH ANNIVERSARY 25TH-ANNIV PKG(Z03) 6,606
Z28 SPECIAL PERFORMANCE PACKAGE,(MERCHANDISING OPTION) SPECIAL PERFORMANCE PKG(Z28) 4,510
1AY ORDER MODIFICATION - STOCK 49,474
1LE PERFORMANCE PACKAGE COMPONENTS PERF PKG(1LE) 685
1SA PACKAGE-OPTION 01 (1SA) 2,624
1SZ PACKAGE OPTION- (1SZ) 59,404
6DB SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT LH SUSP(6DB) 438
7DB SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT RH SUSP(7DB) 438
73B TRIM COMBINATION,CLOTH,FLAME RED (73B) 3,056
73I INTERIOR TRIM,FLAME RED (73I) 7,723
739 SEAT BELT COLOR,FLAME RED (739) 7,723
8NN SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR LH SUSP(8NN) 303
81P WHEEL COLOR,BRIGHT RED (81P) 7,646
81U EXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY,BRIGHT RED (81U) 9,116
9NN SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR RH SUSP(9NN) 303

I would have posted this earlier, but it is kind of useless, as it is just like what is on your SPID.

What I think actually makes your car more uncommon is not necessarily the Heritage with the 1LE but the fact you actually got a Radio. Those do not come around very often.

Time2Fly

Don, does your car have a remote hatch release button on the center console?

okfoz

Apparently just rear defog.

Bob88GTA

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"Looks like a nice car Don, but there's not a lot of love for the 1LE cars on this site - especially on this particular board. And currently with 2 posts to your name, I doubt anyone will chime in with help even if they do know your answer, which I doubt anyone here does."

InfernalVortex

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August 27th was the last day of production at Van Nuys, so that's a relatively late thirdgen too. Among the youngest third gens out there.

Phenom-1

Not a 1LE but since you said August 27th was the last day for 3rd gens at Van Nuys, Talk about being one of the last, Mine was made on August 20th, 1992 just 3 days before my birthday WooHoo! Talk about having some unexplained connection to your car. Also mine is a regular non-1LE Z28 but it's fully loaded Compnine says mine got 69 installed options. Yeah!

Time2Fly

Most camaros had a button on the console that releases the rear hatch remotely. My 1LE does not have it, I was wondering if his does. But my car does not have rear defrost either.

Phenom-1

My guess is that some 1LE cars got less options... Some got power windows and the electric hatch release button, some didn't. I know they for sure didn't get A/C or fog lights though, in exchange for the bigger brakes.

okfoz

Not exactly true, actually the majority of them got A/C, especially when you add in the 1555 TTA's that got the brakes (no 1LE RPO, but with the 1LE brakes) The trick is finding a 1LE with A/C and not B4C.

There is 1 1992 Yellow Formula 1LE with A/C and T-tops

TTOP350

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SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Phenom-1

According to some sources, they say different. I was just looking yesterday at a nice 1LE and had to find it again.


*This is an extremely rare,** 1LE ** Camaro. It is 1 of 175 built in 1991 for SCCA and various other Production Stock Racing series around the US and Canada. These Camaros were factory built race cars just like the COPO cars of the late 60's.

This one was carefully street driven and well cared for, never raced, never wrecked and privately owned. It was ordered new and delivered to Frank Galos Chevrolet in May of 1990.

All of the 5.7 Liter 1LE cars came with A/C Delete, Fog Lamp Delete, Manual Locks and Windows, Oversized (Corvette) Disc Brakes, Special Aluminum Driveshaft, Baffled Fuel Tank and more.

The meticulous owner of this car sought out all of the correct factory replacement and maintenance parts including the correct part # AC Delco shocks and struts when needed.

This collectible car is an investment that can be driven and enjoyed. Call John at 413-519-0716 with any questions or for an appointment to see this great vehicle. As always we will consider all types of trades unless we need to feed them.* $15,900

http://www.carsforsale.com/used-cars...d-ma-225640709

Phenom-1

Maybe those 175 were the ones that didn't get A/C


1991 camaro Z28 1LE 5.7 auto 82k original miles. The 1LE is a factory track car built for scca showroom stock racing, it has a/c delete, power window and door lock delete, t-top delete (hardtop only) and has no cruise control or inside hatch release, this car was built light as possible (only weighs 3250 lbs.) for racing.

Unlike most this car has never been raced or beat on. The 1LE comes with 12 in aluminum two piston caliper front brakes (regular z28 has one piston 10.5 in front brakes) the rears are 11 in aluminum caliper.

Car has harder suspension bushings, larger sway bars and revised alignment specs (best driving and handling third gen camaro I have ever driven period) car is also equiped from the factory with a aluminum driveshaft, hardened rear axles, special baffled fuel tank to prevent fuel starvation in hard cornering, also is equipped with a oil and power steering cooler, all this equipment is present on this car and also says "1LE" and g80 and g92 on the rpo sticker in the console that proves this is a real 1LE.

The drivetrain has been modified for performance, however can be returned to stock easily as I have all the stock parts I removed, and did not hack up a thing. The short block is the original l-98 short block all standard, with new gm bearings and rings and gaskets, heads are vortec bowties (copies) with 200cc intake runners 2.02 and 1.60 swirl polished stainless valves and screw in studs, the cam is a comp xr276 hr (hyd roller) and also has the matching comp, springs locks retainers, push rods ,lifters, and timing chain and gears (cam specs 502/510 lift 218/232 duration @0.50) very healthy sounds awesome.

The intake manifold is a tpis short ram that has been modified to fit the .100 raised runners the cylinder heads have, also new bosch 30# injectors, bbk 58 mm throttle body. The ignition consists of a msd coil,ignition wires, and module.

Car has been tuned by tuned performance and needs a few more tweaks to be perfect, but runs well now. The exhuast consists of 1 3/4 full length headers 2/12 y-pipe and a jegs 3 in cat back (really needs 4 in) the trans is the number matching unit with new seals, b&m transpack, and speedway motors 2400-2800 10 in converter. The differential has all new bearings, new 3.73 ring and pinion, and a new auburn hd posi unit (also have the original 3.23 and stock auburn posi).

Wheels have been striped refinished and powder coated clear professionally and look great and are the original wheels, tires are 245/50/16 toyo proxses 4 with less than 2k miles on them,the rears are 255/50/16 m/t drag radials (about 3/4 tread) the stock toyos where useless with a car like this with about 430 hp (car feels like low 12s in the quarter), but have never raced it (just pissed off a few new mustang owners lol).

The interior is in great shape with no rips, stains,or smells, also no fading, however the headliner has just started to droop in one spot, and should be replaced. The body has no rust and the car has never been wrecked, has a few minor dings (I mean minor), the paint is original and is about a 15 footer, but still presents well. The undercarriage is very clean, not driven in the rain much and not at all since I have had it.

On the car fax it shows 100k in 2001, that was entered by the state emissions testing, this car has never had 100k on it you can tell just by looking at it, have tried to get the state to reverse this, but they said they cannot because there emission testing is done by a outside vendor, went to them and they never seem to be interested in helping me. One look will tell ya this is no 100k car, just want to be honest.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-1LE-1991-z28-1LE-5-7-auto-1-of-175-made-/141336278685?forcerrptr=true&hash=item20e84c769d&item=141336278685&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

scottmoyer

The trigger for 1LE on the ordre sheet was a G92 car without AC. That is on the standard car built for the track. What John's talking about is quite a few 1LE coded cars have AC because the in 1991 and 1992, the B4Cs had AC and most of them also had the 1LE code. From 1988-1990, the 350/G92 or the 305/G92 cars with no AC triggered 1LE.

TTOP350

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All of you guys with some of the last cars built will be happy to know this. The cars with black valve covers, oil pan with a tall D shaped indentation by the oil drain, will have powdered metal rods and maybe even the pistons like in the LT1 cars.
I have seen 3 factory black valve cover cars this way now and yes, they were the original VINed motors that had never been removed.

don siddall

My car does have a power hatch but you have to use the key to activate it. I also have the factory radio but right now it has an aftermarket one in it. Yes it does have the black valve cover. And this car is fast. I will post more pictures on another thread. Thanks for all the info on my car....

don siddall

The interior is original except the other owner had them recovered with the z28 logo and changed the carpet to black but want to put it back original red so if anyone has red carpet for sale please let me know. Thanks!

Phenom-1

You wouldn't mind telling me when yours was made?
Because Mine was made in the last week of production but didn't come with black valve covers.


Happy 4th of July everyone

InfernalVortex

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Compnine says it was made the first week of July 6th 1992.

JT

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John posted the information above from the VIN that was found on the SPID in Don's picture. His car was built July 6th.

Do you know the history of your car? Perhaps you don't have the original engine or someone replaced some engine parts?

My 1992 T/A Convertible 305TPI was built at the end of June early July and it has the black valve covers. Leonard has the very last Third Gen from the assembly line that was built on August 27th and his '92 350TPI has the black valve covers. I would suspect you should have had them as well if yours was such a late production and would wonder if your engine is not original or something was replaced before you bought the car.

Phenom-1

It's all original. It's never been rebuilt. I know the 2nd owner, good friend. I'm the 3rd. That's strange though. I'll see if I can find some other '92s with the black valve covers. I've seen lots of 91 and 92s like mine with gray valve covers... Maybe when they were building them they mixed and matched, this one gets black... This one gets gray... or they got mixed up and upon assembly they just grabbed the nearest ones for this engine and the very next engine they grabbed the black ones.

TTOP350

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The engines were normally built 1 way until they ran out of parts or a design change was made. You could check to make sure the VIN matches?

don siddall

engine is original to the car I checked the codes and it is stock no changes made. the guy I got it from knew the previous owner and they both wanted to keep it stock and I will do the same . it never has been painted but it needs some and a little body work.

oldtimer

My 92 is a July car, and it has the black covers, plain tb plate.

Time2Fly

Thanks for the pics Don. Again, it looks like a nice car . Very cool that you have the original window sticker. If you get a chance, use a mirror and take a peak at the underside of the driver seat - between the seat foam and the mesh, you might find a build sheet. I like to look at pics of 1LE cars and compare the differences and similarities among them, they all seem to be unique in some way.