$750 L98

Dang it, trade your TBI for my Q-Jet? I think I am going to have to put a LQ9 or something in my van, this old 350 is dog tired, how it lasted 30 years without a single rebuild, in a 5,000 vehicle is beyond me. Maybe because it only produces about 170hp on 8.5:1 compression? lol

Z28FAST1

Why did the moderators lock Mikey’s thread? Last I read a very knowledgeable TPI Cult member was giving automotive advice based on his “Masterpiece TPI” build making a whooping 360rwhp that he paid DynoDon to build(aftermarket heads, cam, intake, plenum, with extensive porting). He didn’t reveal how much he spent on it and ironically he didn’t turn a wrench himself.

SoCal Thirdgen is a great car club for 3rd gen enthusiast. They recently organized a meet with almost 100 3rd gen Fbodys!!!!

itsMikey

awsome...

and so true...

Grey Goose

I just want to make sure that everyone is on the same page about the ‘So Cal Clubs’ SC3G (Southern California 3rd Generation F Body Club) is a 3rd gen only club with over 300 members that is open to ANY 3rd gen with ANY power plant. So Cal TPI is a club that is open to any vehicle that has a TPI unit on it and has a close to 40 members.

PLEASE do not confuse the two as we don’t want people to think that ACTIVE SC3G members are against any engine swap as far as a third gen is concerned. Because when the hood is closed, we’re all 3rd gens.

BlueZee28

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Man I wish there were that many active members in our local 3rd gen club. That would be AWESOME!

1989GTATransAm

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"So Cal TPI is a club that is open to any vehicle that has a TPI unit on it"

Not entirely true. We have people attending our meetings with motors other than TPI including the LS1 motor. They are welcome. Our club is about "hot rodding" the TPI intake system and expanding our knowledge about other facets of the thirdgen for increased performance. One of these items is the exhaust system. In fact we are in the process of doing some experiments in the exhaust area as well.

It seems that every time I am thinking of going to a SoCal third gen event such as the up coming Christmas Party some clown makes asinine comments about our club members as a whole that are based on no facts. I am speaking specifically about this LSx-TPI thread.

Grey Goose

Makes sense… you’re also propositioning carbureted third gens to join as well. Good luck with whatever it is you guys are trying to do over there. As always, I wish So Cal TPI well in all of their endeavors

Allen, as I’ve said a million times… I have a huge amount of respect for you and the fact that you aren’t afraid to take the road less traveled. You are an absolute wealth of knowledge as you have invested in the time to educate yourself on the fundamentals & theories of performance fuel injection specifically tuned port injection. However you are on your third or fourth engine (sorry lost count) and have a minimum of 15-20K invested in your vehicle and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. However the people that read this board don’t know that. If it wasn’t for your financial fortitude combined with Jerry’s master fabrication, there would still be legions of ‘So Cal’ TPI cars running 12.60’s @ 111. You’re a hardcore TPI guy that is extremely passionate about the performance you’ve been able to achieve through a highly modified TPI unit. Only no one knows that you’ve had your car since day one, it was a factory prepared SLP car, or about the years of trial and error it took to get the TPI to flow numbers that would support a high horsepower application. All they see is a militant “LSX hater” that is pro TPI period. Take it down a couple of notches and take the time to educate people on your personal trials and tribulations of molding the TPI into something workable and I have a feeling it would produce a wealth of information in these forums that will can be referenced by future generations of 3rd gen owners that are contemplating on a conversion or taking the time to modify their existing TPI.

As far as the SC3G Christmas Party goes… As always, you and any other So Cal TPI members are welcome to participate in any event/meeting we’ve got going. If you or anyone else chooses not to participate in our events please know that you will be missed however the event/meeting will go on

Grey Goose

It’s not easy keeping everyone motivated. However we took a different approach this year and it’s paid off better than we could ever have expected. Organization is a huge part of it followed by venue & event selection. Getting everyone to an event is one thing. Knowing what to do with them when they get there is a whole different ball game.

1989GTATransAm

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"All they see is a militant “LSX hater” that is pro TPI period."

...and I have no idea where they think I am a "LSX hater". I have never said anything negative about the LSX and I think a friendly rivalry is good. Its that some here have made accusations not based on the facts that riles me.

One more thing, one of our members who has been thrashed in this thread owns a 4th gen Camaro with an LS1 motor. Obviously not a "LSX hater".

itsMikey

last i checked, SC3G supported my LSX swap..just sayin
not to mention my guys that are also "affiliated" with SC3G, from F-Body Empire.

(just realized, the way i said that sounds kind of funny. im second-ing the fact that SC3G is supportive)

chevysurfer

This is like reading responses on yahoo, for a automotive article. The foreiners bash the hell out of american muscle, and we bash the hell out of there overpriced HP rated cars. Both sides sound stupid in the end but both have good and bad points. But being american I still side with american HP. If I want luxury I pay for that, if I want speed I pay for that. But dollar for dollar you get more power per dollar with american cars. corvette/ferrari. But anyways if your a TPI enthusiast than do your thing, but dont hate on the swappers because they might out perform you dollar for dollar. IDK just a thought, I would like to have a LSX swap or a built TPI. I have a L03 throw me your scraps. hahahha.

Grey Goose

All I know is what I’m told through PM’s and text messages from people on this board. These guys don’t know you or the back story like the local boys do. All they see is a guy curling one off in their cereal bowl and walking away. As far as a little friendly rivalry goes, I’m all about it! Back in the late 90’s up through 03/04 rivalry was what motivated all of us (SoCal boys) to get to the next level of performance. We’d meet up early in the morning, cruise to the track, pit together, try and get in each other’s heads I the staging lanes, and row gears next to each other for 1320’. Then it was back to the pits, review the data log, tune accordingly, and do it all over again. Good times!

Now there’s a different breed of 3rd gen out there with a nasty little small block in it putting down some serious power. The rivalry is definitely there; as a matter of fact it’s the classic case of old school vs. new school. However there needs to be a mutual respect of the capabilities of each before a ‘friendly rivalry’ can ensue.

Now we both know that there are several members that belong to both clubs have 4th gens either as daily drivers or toys. We also both know that a 4th gen powered 3rd gen would never be allowed in the ranks of SoCalTPI because it would defeat the clubs purpose through the eyes of its founders. Just as we (SC3G) would never allow a 1st, 2nd, 4th, or 5th gen into ours Now allowing other f body’s to participate in certain events like super cruises, absolutely. However into the core 3rd gen membership, not going to happen

Z28FAST1

I believe it's still a friendly rivalry but the majority of the TPI Cult is so stuck in their ways that their "advice" is condescending.

I mean come on, your buddy Paradise (with the self proclaimed "Masterpiece") was ******* the entire SoCal 3rd gen car club by stating that a club bar-b-q to help Mikey wrench on his swap was a bad idea.

Talk about being negative when people want to come together enjoy some carne asada, turn some wrenches, and keep the 3rd gen passsion going.


Oh and I remember the guy with a 4th gen, he is adamant in his position that an LS1 belongs in a 4th gen and a TPI in a 3rd gen. I believe he was the first person to call my 3rd gen "bastardized" lol!!!

Z28FAST1

Agreed, spoken like a gentleman and a scholar.

90-irocdx3

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$750 L98

Glad to see everyone has settled down now. Maybe we can get some constructive information about the LSX and tolerate the bastardizing (even though the thread was locked because of the flame war).

I too have a 4th gen with a LS1, and could care less if some one swapped BBC/SBC/LT1 into theirs, it is still a 4th gen, and one of the brethren.

Now you go stickin' a 2jz into a '69 Camaro (been done), I probably won't be happy with it, but you are still part of the club.

itsMikey

lol...
agreed

Shift06

Stick and LSx in a Supra though, and then you are cool

Thridgen60

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Doing anything to a tpi is like beating a dead horse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is all.

Shift06

I wouldn't go that far.

Thridgen60

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Yeah i know but the tpi only has so much potential based upon its design just the same as everything else. It just so happens the LS has a better design so from a power aspect there isnt much left on the table for the tpi. Once the next bigger better design comes out, modifying an LS will have the same fate. Thats just the way it is.

I just love all the people that persistently enjoy living in the past.

Not saying that it wouldnt be cool to have a fast tpi but there is a limit, a limit that is lower than that of an LS due to design.

Nothing like having stock LS cylinder heads that perform better than many aftermarket gen1 heads

whitedevilTA

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This argument comes up so much and I have to laugh every time I see it. Back when I had my cammed 305 in my car I stuck up for the 305 like no other, because it's what I had at the time and it was all I knew. Everyone and thier mother said it was a boat anchor and that a 350 was a much better choice. I refused to believe it. Well my bro swapped a stock 5.7 TBI into his camaro one day and it ran right with my cammed 305. 350 better than 305? YES I learned. I still appreciate a well built 305 which can be made into a screamer but at what budget?

Thats where this argument goes too. Sure, a TPI can be built to beat an LS1 but not for the same price, and not without gobs of know-how and TPI tuning knowledge. With an LS1, your average joe can throw it in, cam it, and take it down the street to the nearest HP tuners shop and boom...instant driveability and power. With the internet these days, there is NO reason someone that has a little experience couldn't swap in an LS1 in thier garage and get it running. I tell people all the time, take a chevy 5.3 LSx and throw a turbo on it and then throw a turbo on a 5.7 TPI. Bet I can guess which is going to scream. Instant 10's on the 5.3, and your lucky to get a low 12 on the turbo TPI.

I say do what makes you happy. I love the way a nice clean TPI looks and the torque makes them amazingly fun on the street. If you are competing with fellow car buddies and have a need for speed without sinking your life savings into an engine though, the LSx is where it's at, hands down. Nobodys going to change anyones mind here. We all like different things and some people prefer LSx, some prefer TPI. Thats what makes the car game so fun. Thats why some guys drive mustangs, and others drive F-bodies.

Guest

Welcome? Really? You know, I dont really care what "you guys" do as opposed to "us guys" (as if there is a "you" and an "us" and if ANY of that stupid nonsense matters in the world) but someone over there in charge (not you?) needs to make up their mind.

My fav is the one in the middle.
At least it looks like the true colors are beginning to show, still a whole lot of sour grapes being consumed over a bunch of dumb nonsense and lifetime personal grudges and petty hatred. And to think those were throwing stones...

Mikey if you need any help, let us know. I'm sure ANYONE around here would be more than willing to lend a hand with your project.

1989GTATransAm

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Madmax Madmax, Madmax, Somehow you cannot seem to let things die down. It is really a shame. I would not normally have responded as I am trying to let things go and die down. However you called me out so the response.

I believe it was a person in your club who started this thread. Reading through this thread it is members of your club who are throwing stones and accusations against members of our club. Going back in time( 1 year) it was member(s) of your club making threats and name calling against members of our club. In this thread I noticed that it was people from you club who had posts deleted by the administrators because of the vitriol.

Again we have people other than TPI motors who show up at our events and are welcome. If you don't want to believe it to be true so be it. I myself would love to bury the hatchet but threads like this prove it will won't happen. To much pent up anger in certain members of your club proven by the post you just made. You are just throwing gasoline on the fire. To bad. Lets see who else joins in on this nonsence.

chevysurfer

Just pointing out something. People can enjoy there cars the way they want. The people or group "the keep it oringinal but maximize its potental club" has its priorities in doing just that. Maximizing the engine that came in the car originally, thats were they get there inspiration. On the flip side theres "the do whatever to maximize the quickness club" these guys get there inspiration by acheiving maximum hp/per dollar, or just over all more hp potental. One cant argue one over the other its apple and oranges. The swappers need to realize were the "keep it original guys" priorities are, and the keep it original guys shouldnt talk about hp ratings or cost of getting there to the "do what ever guys". I think if the engines are some form of GM/Chevy then what does it matter. Now if people were swapping forein engines now I think there might be a argument. But I sure do want to swap a chevy engine in my montero sport because that thing a P.O.S., you guys shouldnt be racing agianst each other WTF drop the egos I hope I dont here of that crap around here, I would be pissed.

Guest

Me? Sure. Go do a search to see who's been saying what and when. Go look at the 3rd reply (or the 39th) to the post in question that this whole thread is about. There are two threads now with I dont know (or care) how many views and replies now on thirdgen.org because of the hate of 1 person and it aint me. As for me, I have said exactly nothing starting anything until the post above at 3:40 and what I offered was simply advice. From where I am, all I see is cant cant cant, and now apparently its... thats ok with us. Quite a change of tune if you ask me, especially LS1's being ok when all I see is a lot of people recommending against the idea. Maybe ya'll should get together, figure out what path you're on, and tell others about it including a few people who obviously want nothing to do with LS motors. If I'm in the dark about it, what do you think others who are lurking around and see your posts thinks? Surely not even as clear as mud. Beyond that, I could really care less what any of you do or plan or anything else. You have a club of 10 people? Swell. 10,000 people? Swell. Dont matter to me, do whatever floats your boat. Just suggesting you figure it out and stop arguing with people who are just looking for some free and helpful advice rather than a bunch of misguided hate.

Going to add, because people must insist on slinging mud but insist they are not doing so:
Does it matter? Obviously it must, to you. Are you right about a person in "our" club, or are you wrong? Again, does it matter?

A quote:
If you're always looking for trouble... you will always find it.

1989GTATransAm

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"Just suggesting you figure it out and stop arguing with people who are just looking for some free and helpful advice rather than a bunch of misguided hate."

One more time. I am not arguing about the LSx swap for or against. In this thread I have been wrongly accused of stating things I have never said. You can start with the list of seven items the original poster listed in post 1. I never said anything remotely resembling what he stated in those seven items in post 1. I am not arguing. I am defending myself from false accusations and statements.

As to someone looking for some free and helpful advice, this not what this thread was all about. I think you are confusing this thread with the one that was closed that Mikey started. The original poster has people jumping in from all across the nation bashing away based of false pretenses, statements and assumptions that I supposedly made. This thread should have been locked from the start. I guess the moderators thought otherwise.

By the way posts 3 and 39 have nothing to do with any of my posts in this thread or any thread for that matter any that I have participated in.

injdinjn

This thread or the other one, doesn't matter, if die hard TPI guys had kept their criticism to themselves this thread would not exist.

I was so shocked at that statement I almost needed CPR. Of course I have not paid any attention to "you guys" and "your club". Guess you changed the initial purpose/direction of your club.

Alan, you have put lots of money and research into your car to achieve "King of the 3rd gen" status, but from what little I know about your latest drivetrain there is very little GM on it. I respect your tenacity, i disagree with your vehicles purity.

mw66nova

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to all you TPI purists: GRAB A LANE

Pocket

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My thoughts exactly

Tricked-Out-Toy

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I have a question. If I walked in off the street with a thirdgen and told you TPI guys that I wanted to run 10's all day any day all motor and get 20+ mpg while stuck in LA traffic would you tell me the best choice would be to build a TPI?

Burnout91

No, I would suggest a crotch rocket.

InjectorsPlus

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And there you have it.

I've seen the opposite, the arrogance from the LS Crowd, but at the end of the day. Who cares. Really.

You can build an LSX to run fast, you can build a TPI to run fast. Money will work wonders.

Personally, I like the sound of a gen 1 small block, but we have to be honest, the LS is a nice engine...lots of power, nice and smooth...

Why does anyone care what someone wants to put in their car?

Dyno Don

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Look people, I never called anybody "stupid, ignorant, dumb" or any other such
expletives.
I simply stated my opinion and suggested the the guy think about the outcome.

We all have opinions and we are intitled to them.

If I stepped on anyones toes, I'm sorry.

As far as TPI goes, you guys with the LSX stuff got the benefit of factory parts

that are good from the gitgo, we are just bringing the TPI parts up to where you
are ie. better heads, better intake, better cams etc.

If you don't like my opinion, that's fine, just don't lower yourselves
to calling me or anyone else names.

We're all here to enjoy our cars, so lets do it and stow
all the bashing and trashing of each other.

injdinjn

Hmmm, my GTA motor has some miles on it and needs valve stem seals, I have this 68 ford 428 in the shed.................

Tricked-Out-Toy

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See this is the part that bothers me... part for part you NEVER get to where an LSx is.... Dollar for Dollar you will NEVER catch an LSx....maybe 6-7 years ago when the cost of an LSx was still outrageous but not now..... You can pick up ls1's for less than 1000 and iron 6.0's for around 600...

Im 100% ok with you guys loving on the TPI like its the best thing on the planet just dont go spreading false information.... talking about your setup like anyone can duplicate it and that drivability and gas mileage are the same if not better than an LSx is just absurd...

Werewolf SS

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Well it all comes down to personal preference like so many people have already said.
The reason I would chose an LS design over a TPI is purely due to the efforts taken to tune the car.
With LS vehicles I plug my handy HP Tuners in and monitor the plethora of data presented and adjust the tune's parameter accordingly.

TPI I can do the same thing but instead of on the fly tuning I have to burn prom chips to make changes. Also the amount of data I can monitor is limited along with the refresh rate of the data provided meaning I'm missing information from inbetween read slots and on a engine where events happen so quickly (that piston is going up and down the cylider wall at 12.5 times a second (at 6000 rpms)) every bit of data is critical.

So just from the tuning stand point alone an LS makes the logical choice before one even considers the engine's superior engineered design. As so many have already said LS is the new advanced tech and the strides made in engineering shows with the capability of the engine platform.

Now that being said I understand nostaligia and other resaons to run other engines and setups.
I tune LS engines but for my third gen I built a 383 stroker with a carb setup.

Why?

I like to try new things. Never built a carb system before so why not?
To each thier own.

NY3RDGEN

You TPI guys need BOOST to make up the difference with the LSX children.

And to "WhiteDevilTA" A tubro L98 car also goes 10's. Look for the white 91/92 formy in here and GMHT. Pretty much a stock thirdgen with a small turbo and tuning.

Anyway, You guys bikering is really silly. Some of the "LSX" crowd has the Fox body mentality of the mid 90's.. Its the "I have one too" crowd. Most wont own a Thirdgen in a few Yr's from now anyways. The TPI guys in here, are for the most part true Thirdgengen enthusiasts. and keep there cars period correct. I luv my little TPI motor, boost makes up all its shortcomings. Next cars a 4thgen with LSX, And it will stay LSX.

NY3RDGEN

LMFAO, A stripped down, chopped up, slicks n skinnies, carbe'd race car against real street cars..

Grab a lane next to me at an AutoX event Bud..

Panthro

Really?!

I can’t believe there are 3 pages of this. What is wrong with you guys?

OP, it’s your car, put in it whatever you want.

Everyone else: if you can’t post something nice or helpful, don’t post at all.

Can we all go back to hating 5.0 Mustangs now?

Tony89GTA

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Such a bandwagon of hate going on in this thread, people puting words in peoples mouths this really should be locked. InjectorsPlus is right about the arrogance from the LS Crowd, no **** it's going to run better then TPI it's multiple generations of engineering above it, like what is there to prove? Course with that said doesn't mean a guy with some money can't make the TPI engine work well to, I believe that was the whole point they were trying to make on SO CAL thread tell it got bent out of shape. From an outsider's point of view all this is started over one mans strong "OPINION" to keep the TPI engine and I don't see anyone of them calling a LS engine a piece of **** so I'am not understanding why the hostility level from some of the LS owners or supporters. This thread is 3 pages long and there is no one disagreeing with the LS engine so where is the fight?

NY3RDGEN

WOW, You are one smart, Good Looking guy, That 86 Camaro, Must be on helluva sweet ride dude. Somebody dosent know squat about muscle cars here. lol..

mw66nova

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seriously? do you even know my car? how's my car chopped up?

autox huh? ok, let me slap my front sway bar back on and some full sized street tires and we'll go. mine is not that far in one direction that i can't easily go back in the other...it'd take 45mins to set mine up for autox...much like i'd hope it'd take you 45 mins to get ready for the drag strip.

just cause i don't have ac doesn't mean i'm not a street car. hell, i just got back from driving it 10 mins ago...i've driven my car more this week then half of you stock purist have...sitting in the garage collecting dust, scared to get miles on your car.

for the record, my car has power steering, power brakes, power door locks/trunk, windows, mirrors, and ALL my seats still fit, even with my roll bar. the only thing i don't have that's "street equipment" is hvac and a radio...too busy worried about going fast to listen to tunes, and i don't need hvac where i live, so i free'd up the space to make way for more go-fast goodies.

i'll grab a lane anywhere you will

1989GTATransAm

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"From an outsider's point of view all this is started over one mans strong "OPINION" to keep the TPI engine and I don't see anyone of them calling a LS engine a piece of **** so I'am not understanding why the hostility level from some of the LS owners or supporters. This thread is 3 pages long and there is no one disagreeing with the LS engine so where is the fight?"

Thank You. Finally someone who has read through the threads and understands it. Makes me wonder about the reading comprehension of a lot of members in this forum. The premise of the whole thread is bogus but the LSx crowd and others keep piling on anyways.

To answer some from above. We are working within the designs of the basic L98 architecture as laid out by GM. The primary impetus for this is to pass California smog without having to go to a referee and put up with all the bureaucratic BS. We are hot-rodding our motors within these confines. Some people from out of state may not understand this. Others do.

Now some truth in advertising about my motor. Yes, I do have some LSx parts in my L-98. I am running LS-7 roller lifters. I have aftermarket Scat connecting rods that are also used in the LSx motors. My Mahle ring package is the same as used in LSx motors. They are 1.5mm 1.5mm x 3.0mm rings. Last, my motor is not all GM. I use a lot of aftermarket parts.

These are primarily street cars that we take on cruises which in Southern California includes high mountains(8000' passes) and the hot low desert. My car with driver likely weighs around 3650 with driver based on a previous weighing. It is not stripped down but a fully optioned GTA with air conditioning that works along with everything else the car was equipped with when it left the factory.

Z28FAST1

I actually think you are more reasonable then the rest of the TPI Cult. If the rest of the So Cal TPI **** club was more like you, I wouldn’t have been as relentless to expose the club’s flaws in logic. My thread was directed to the TPI Cult as a whole not you specifically and there are no false accusation being made on my part.

About my post #1, members of your club repeatedly argue that:

1. TPI is better than LSX: Your club members have taken the liberty to go onto various LSX swaps and post “I prefer my TPI dyno numbers” (DynoDon referring to TPI TERR’s LSX dyno numbers thread) and “I don’t know why you guys go through all the trouble…my TPI makes 350rwhp…etc.” (DynDon referring to BlueZee’s build thread). The TPI Cult has gone out of their way to criticize LSX swaps. They have brought this thread upon themselves.

2. It’s cheaper to make power with a TPI build vs. LSX build: Your club members have discouraged members from going the LSX route claiming it’s cheaper to build one of these “TPI Masterpieces.” I questioned how much these TPI builds costs but nobody wants to give figures but I’m guessing it’s $5K plus. LSX swaps have been done for less and made more power.

3. LSX in 3rd gen is “bastardizing” your 3rd gen: Your club member went off to my suggestion of an LSX swap in a thread where a neutral member was looking for opinions on how to build a motor with 400hp and good street manners with a $4k budget.

I took my bastardized 3rd gen to this event and ran a 12.4@114 to his 13.X @ 104?

4. Only TPI motors belong in 3rd gens: Cult members...


5. LSX in 3rd gens look ugly?

6. LSX swap cannot be done in your driveway

Cult member criticizing doing an LSX swap in a driveway.

7. TPI can get comparable MPG’s to a LSX and even better: I'll let this one go since.

See above, all statements made by TPI Cult members and nothing I have said is false. Funny thing is that this thread has got you guys back pedaling, now you guys seem to validate LSX swaps = mission accomplished by the LSX Swap Forum!!!!

Funny you bring up Moderators since the only 2 Moderators in the So Cal section are both members of the TPI Cult!!! One of them is DynoDon’s son if I am not mistaken.

NY3RDGEN

You sound like a J/A using the word "cult" and "****" in every other sentance. Seems like the lsX guys are more of a "cult" type following, Seems that way just by the way there attacking everyone that has a different opinion.

Z28FAST1

You seem pretty "silly" to me too by to contradicting yourself and "bickering" as well. At least you know you need boost to keep up, you're not that irrational. Carry on

NY3RDGEN

Nope, Not irrational at all. I also Know fast cars. My good freind is one of the best builders in NY, I see 1000+hp cars all day long, LSX, SBC, BBC, BBP, BBF, SBF, and so on. So, yea, I do know my shizz. And yea it is true, That the mentality is the "I got one too" type like i mentioned above. Most people are sheep, and do things for the sake of acceptance. And like i also already said, Alot of these kids wont own there Thirdgen in a few yr's anyway. I just hope they didnt hack up there cars enough, so that when real car guys want to restore them down the road, They are still able too.
O, and i also beleieve there are guys that do a great job of swapping in a LSX into a 3rdGen. But theres also alot that do a REALLY BAD, sloppy job. They just want to get the LSX in. And go out and run there cars. Alot of those are real POS, IMO.. Anyways, yea, I dont discriminate. I love all types of muscle cars, and drivetrains. LSX is great. So is SBC, Skys the limit on a GEN1.

spade

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lets be realistic people....

why install a SBC over a BBC is the same argument as TPI350 vs LSx....

my opinion... put what YOU want in YOUR car...

NY3RDGEN

Whats up Spadey man