pskel350

i might be getting out of the 3rd gen scene for a while, so i am cleaning out the garage.

2 L98 blocks, and a older 350 4 bolt $100 each
AFR 210 heads brand new, hand polished chambers and exh ports $1500
v6 700r4 trans W/ converter $25
CM tubing, enough for a roll cage $450
grey cloth seats $150
9 bolt calipers and backing plates, cores only... $35
disc brake housing 10 bolt $30
drum brake housing 10 bolt $10
2.73 gears free lol
stock suspension pieces free


i literaly have boxes and boxes of parts, from console lids, white face gauges, trim pieces, etc etc. let me know if you need anything and i will see if i have it.

also, if you interested in the car, pm me

406TPI

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What the heck, Pat!? Don't get rid of your car man!

What's the scoop on the CM tubing? What size and how many feet do you have?

James

Kandied91z

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you need to make up your mind...



what about the leather seats?

AutoX86Z28

what have you got for suspension pieces?

cully6159

hey im intrested in the 4bolt main if i could get some pics that would b great u can post em here or send em to my email at cully@new.rr.com
thanks

spade

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do u have all interior pieces in black?!?! an i mean all the pieces.....

pskel350

i sold some things today to a local race team, including all the engine blocks, and possibley the heads. sorry cully6159.


spade, i dont have any black trim, other then from the dash. just a few grey.

carlover01, the only suspension pieces i have are the stock lca, panhard bar, shocks w/ 500 miles (red ryder) free

james, i'm not sure what size the tubing it is. its still at the shop, i should be able to get down there in a few days to measure it.

jeff, i know i need to make a decision, it just costs so fuggin much money to build a 3rd gen. not sure about the seats yet, depends on what the new car has...

92MaroRS

any t-top pieces?

cully6159

alright thanks anyway let me know if you happen to get anything else
thanks
names cullen by the way

xpndbl3

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are the 9 bolt calipers and backing plates PBR style? if so i'll take them.

spade

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rear disc brakes?
how much for the dash pad?
wat color are the door panels?
speaker grills?

Kandied91z

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so true pat, i know i could have built 3 fox body mustangs in the same condition and amount of mods for the price of the last one......

i love my thirdgens but i'm seriously doubting the potential as to do them perfect is rediculously outrageous.

pskel350

exactly, thats why i am considering what i am


spade, the back brake pieces are $35 OBO, i dont have a good dash pad, sold the perfect one when i took the dash out. i have another one with a cracked corner that you can have if you want to pay shipping. the only door panels i have are from a 96 camaro that are grey. i dont know if i have any speaker grills, i will look tonight when i get home from work.

xpndbl3, sorry, should of put that in there. the calipers are the old style iron....i forgot all about 9 bolts getting the aluminum style also. my bad.


make offers guys, i just need this stuff gone

stiers

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I am probably gonna need that V6 transmission. I will let you know tommorow. Anyone got a ignition core and a key?

92MaroRS

HaroGt14

What kind of white face gauges? And I don't suppose you have a 145 MPH cluster for a 91-92?

Sean

wingnut

Are the heads gone?

pskel350

i just looked, the only things i have for t-tops is a beat up passanger handle.

harogt14 the white face guages are for the older cable driven cars....not sure how many mph, i would have to look again. let me know and i can send you some pics.

wingnut.. yeah the heads sold today. sorry

Dan8289gta

Do you have the dash plate for the stereo-heater control area?

pskel350

i know i have a silver/gray one. i will check tomorrow morning to see if i have a black one left

AJB-283

still have the white faced guages???

bnoon

Are you talking body parts or what? Engine/drivetrain is cheaper on the F-body, suspension is a wash if you build the easy stuff, more expensive for the fox platform if you buy the parts.

ontogenesis

you don't happen to have hood blisters do you?

pskel350

sorry guys, had to go out of town for a while. i dont have a black hvac cover plate, and the one i have has a small scrap in it from something.

AJB-283 yes i still have the gauges. send me an email and i will send some pics

ontogenesis nope, no hood blisters, there is even any in junkyards around me

james, i decided to keep the tubing until i see if the next car will need it. i will let you know

building a 3rd gen is one of the most expensive cars to build, the intake alone for what was going to be the engine for the car, ended up costing me just over $2600 in the end. in just suspension pieces i had over $3000 invested without the cage. just to much money to me.

Rick King

"building a 3rd gen is one of the most expensive cars to build, the intake alone for what was going to be the engine for the car, ended up costing me just over $2600 in the end. in just suspension pieces i had over $3000 invested without the cage. just to much money to me. "

at that price I would just back half the car if you have a shop and a tube bender it would be cheaper

later

rk

Kandied91z

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there's the cheap way and....

406TPI

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Spending a pile of money on your car doesn't determine if it's built right. Only the builder can determine that. While I will agree that building these cars is not cheap, however, there are more expensive alternatives. Ever work on a Corvette?

Alot of it has to due with how much of the work you can do yourself....ie, machining, fabricating, assembly, body work.

Kandied91z

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no one is going to tell me any different, don't care how much work you do. you can't compare apples to oranges. our cars cost money to build right.

406TPI

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You are way too quick to discount peoples skills and technical know-how.

bnoon

Every car costs money to build right when you throw money at it instead of learning to do it yourself. My third gen is being built cheaply and is being built right with no expense spaired. The difference is I'm spending time and you're spending money. It's all about the balance between what you know how to do and what you want to pay for.

How much work have you farmed out that you didn't know how to do, or just didn't want to spend the time to do yourself?

pskel350

damn near none, paintjob and powdercoating, and block machining. that is it. i bet i spend more time in the shop working on my car then 99.9% of the people on this damn forum. hell i even did my own bodywork, custom interior pieces, engine assembly, built my old manuel trans, built my own rearend. i even made my own sfc, wonder bar, stb. but you and i cant make things like springs, so guess what, you have to go out and buy that stuff. that stuff takes money. to build a car that goes above and beyond the typical rust bucket 3rd gen going down the road takes more then a few dollers here and there......

its just how it is, i do custom work for a living now, a 3rd gen is more expensive to build right then anyother car bascially, mustangs, 4th gens, and even older cars like chevelles, nova's, duster's, etc etc. just everything has to be changed on 3rd gens since nothing was extremly well performing from the factory. complete drivetrain, brakes, suspension, chasis, interior lacks, the list goes on and on.


unless you want to build an ebay camaro with used and crappy parts, it aint cheap

Kandied91z

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how can you say this? i've been building my car for 7 years.... spent just as much time under the hood as outside of it to know what bare material costs are. i've broken my knucles when i had to saving pennies and i've spent money where necessary for the right material all of which should make no difference. point is that there is a difference between just getting the job done and then building a car to another level. noone is "discounting" anyones skills, i'm just tired of people always claiming they can do things cheaper and have it turn out perfect as it doesn't happen. without even reguarding skill try pricing out everything on my car... i didn't pay near what it would have cost to buy everything at list price and i still think it's expensive to build our cars. what does that mean?

Kandied91z

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you know what, everything pat is saying sums it up for me. finish your cars and then we'll talk...

just because you throw money at something doesn't mean it will work. there are many different ways to do things but a standard formula in general. as far as my own car, only those who know me can claim anything about it. no one knows what is really into the car or how much was/wasn't spent, it isn't an issue here. i can be certain when all is said an done it's much less then many think.



if anyone wants to discuss the idea that building a thirdgen is cheap with me then pm or email... start a different thread, don't take over this one with it. if a thirdgen was cheap to make into a magazine car there would be many more out there...... much like the mustangs maybe?

ljnowell

Not to muck up this thread, but I agree. If they were cheap they would be everywhere, like mustangs.

406TPI

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"how can I say that"...because you just did! If I were Rick, I would be offended by your comment. You don't know that guy, he could be a race car fabricator for all intensive purposes. Does that mean he can't do the job "right" because he could do it very cheaply? Nope! Does it mean that a guy who works in a bodyshop for a living can't do a "right" paintjob because all it cost him was material...when you or I have to pay $8-10K for the same quality job? Does it mean I can't blueprint a motor right because I didn't pay a shop $750-1000 to do it for me? Nope. Bottom line is this.....believe it or not, there are guys that hang out around here that are extremely knowledgeable and know what they are talking about...yeah, there are a lot of BSer's too.

Back to the issue at hand.......I think....besides Pat selling parts
The way I see it, there are 3 major areas for expense while building ANY car and they are powertrain, body(exterior), and body(interior). These costs will be equal no mater what car you build(with a few exceptions). Doesn't matter if it's a '69 camaro, '64.5 mustang, a '79 chevy truck, a '85 IROC a '90 mustang or a '00 toyota. If you choose to build a car to "the next level" it gonna cost money....Pat's right, you gotta still buy parts. But I just don't see the justification to where you guys are singling out 3rd gens to be SO much more expensive? Maybe it would help if you could give me some hard core numbers and set me straight?

And the reason you don't see alot of 3rd gens in mags is because the cars suck....at least in the eyes of the people who are in charge. It's going to be some time yet before these car get their well earned respect in the hotrodding community.

TTOP350

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My car has been looked at by a few Mags and they dig it cause it is very Factory looking and not over done .(most 3rd gens I see have spent to much time in the autozone acc isle). but thats also the same reason It prolly won't ever make it in a mag..( you have to look at it hard to see everything thats been done) ..thats the way I like cars to be built ..
I have been building my car for 14 yrs and will continue to buy things for it..yes they do cost money and time to build.. I know I have spent around 50,000 on my car over the yrs...most of it in tires, motor combos rearends and transmissions I do drive the car and race a ton

Confuzed1

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Whew!....thanks! I thought I spent too much on mine!! I can't hold a candle to that!

See what happens when you get attached to something? It's an expensive hobby...period. Nuff said.

Confuzed1

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Oh, and Tony - sorry if it sounds like I was bashing, but I wasn't. You must have one helluva car!

TTOP350

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Thanx, I know you're not bashing,like I'm saying 50 grand over 14 yrs is what?? around 3,600 bucks a year??now buy a new car and see what you pay per year...wheeeew..
I do this just for fun (and it helps keep me out of the bars).... Everybody tells me you'll never get out of it what you have in it no kidding?? I say, I didn't build it to sell ,I built it to have fun
so I say if you plan on keeping the car spend away, cause like grandpa said, you can't take it (money)with you
who cares how much money you have in a car, there is always someone with more.....

here is a link to my pics if interested..

http://www.team3rdgen.com/modules.ph...view_album.php

Oh and now I'm also working on my highschool car ...a 70 formula with a stroker motor.. weeeee

TTOP350

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dub post

Confuzed1

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Very nice! Very clean too! I assume it's a 400 now since I spotted the retro roller setup (that I should've gotten when I did mine)

What kind of rear are you running??

Oh, and I don't think that tranny is rebuildable.....

Kandied91z

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no you took it upon yourself to assume i was talking directly to Rick King, never once did i say that what he was accompishing or his ideal behind pats option was out of reason what i said was what i said. you need to relax a bit. if i thought your way then all of your points would be hidden stabs at what i did to my car and i don't take it that way. it couldn't be especially since my paintjobs only cost me material. same goes for this which is a prime example. compare the cost of a single pint of say HOK compared to dupont or shermin williams. there is a huge price difference. now compare the cost of mild steel to chromoly... again a huge hike. how about billet wheels to cast.... again to build these cars in the options people want it's expensive. now with that all being equal compare a tubular front end in MS to that of what a mustang tubular MS costs. usually half the price. just one example of why it costs more to build a thirdgen.



point being i don't know rick king or his skills therefore i wasn't directing anything towards him. most of you in this thread don't know me either nor do you have any idea what's into my car. the true point of any of my subject replies is in fact that it's expensive to build a thirdgen. if you want to know why it's so expensive, if you want me or the others to prove you wrong then just try pricing out all the options on our cars. as i said, it's about the parts.... labor was never brought into an issue here.

TTOP350

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the motor is quite a bit bigger than your average 406

The rear is a Moser 9" it has a aluminum center chunk now..

That trans had around 1,500 bucks in it.. It took out a ton of stuff inside the car ..and about got my leg

I showed it to my trans guy and he said you win ..

406TPI

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Dude, if I was anymore relaxed I would be asleep None of what I said was in haste or anger....this is merely an intelligent debate. Also, none of what I said is meant to be a direct jab at you, your car or anyones elses for that matter. Sorry if it came off that way.....that is why debating over the internet is hard, much rather do it in person.

I think instead of building another 3rd gen, you should build something else...then we will talk costs when your done with that one. The only thing I see that is thirdgen specific was a tubular front end? Why are they so cheap for 5.0's because people race those cars....for a living i might add....there is just more demand for them. That is the one advantage that a 5.0 has over our cars...there is more development and more demand for parts because there is a dedicated series for those cars.

I would venture to say that in the grand scheme of things, if you spent $40K on a thirdgen and $40K on a mustang, in the end you will have two very equal cars. Would you agree?

So, why aren't we talking about labor?? You've paid it and I have paid it in the past, no?

Kandied91z

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no problems then as it did sound wrong but you cleared it up so things are good....

as far as building something other then a thirdgen, no i won't as i've built a 91 gt before the 91z and i don't care for the cars in general. having built several different makes/years/etc of these vehicles i can tell you thirdgen parts are more expensive. the only thing cheap about a thirdgen is the sbc parts when compared to ls2 counterparts or BB chevy bowtie engines which are entirely different animals anyway.... no need to discuss mopar.

i could build 2 mustangs for the price of one nice thirdgen, it's a proven fact just open up your summit magazine to even get an idea. i understand you have experience with your thirdgen and i'll agree that not everything is expensive but dollar for dollar on the same item 9 out of 10 times the mustang version is cheaper just to use one base as an example.

why do you think there are classes out there just for mustangs.... much like you hinted to the market is there. the people built that class, it sin't there for thirdgens and it's evident on every tv show and unfortunately many american roads today. there just aren't many nice thirdgens out there on the roads and like many of us know the thirdgen is a fast dying era. until things change through the people and most importantly medias eyes that's the way its going to be.

now if i could make a list of everything to build both a mustang and thirdgen and you could match or come lower in cost with the thirdgen that would be a very happy day. fortunately with cars like our own the more people see them and the more the media gets ahold of them parts are becoming more available and dropping in cost. it's only a matter of time but without people like us loving what we do with these cars they will soon fade away.

bnoon

I wasn't quoting you... now you're speaking for Blackburn or what? I'm confused...

I still disagree with what's is being said about building a 3rd gen being more expensive. I've built a 70 'Vette and a '77 Trans Am to showroom clean resto-rods with 500+ HP and upgraded suspensions/etc. I've also reto-rodded a '74 Fiat spider with a 305 AT in it (of course that one would be more expensive)... I even had a low 14/high 13 second Ford Contour with a 3.0L Duratec hybrid swap from a Taurus in it... On top of my wife having a '00 Mustang GT 'vert that we're modding the exhaust, intake, etc... This 3rd gen is sooooooo much cheaper to buy parts for it's unreal. The only car I've ever built that's been cheaper than the T.A. was my '79 Monte with a 406 small block.

I'm not saying it doesn't take more than a few bucks, just that it's not more expensive that every other car out there. Not even close!

Kandied91z

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no one is speaking for me and no one said that the thirdgen was the most expensive car to build.

stay on topic

406TPI

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Sorry Pat for highjacking this thread:shrug: I'm done now

I hope you decide to keep your car, it's very nice and I could see you had alot of hard work into it....plus it's got a bitchin tranny in it too

Kandied91z

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PAT...

what about the 3" exhaust, with flowmaster, leather graphite 4thgen seats and possibly the heads you have depending on inspection and flow numbers i might could use them.

never heard back from you on the pm so get back to me asap. that is unless your building another thirdgen.

mightymaro94

pats right guys, and until your ride is finished no one wants to hear how you built a 383 stoker pushin your junk into the hi 9's for the price of a candy bar and coke, face it, you can take your car out on junk night at the local track if you want, me i would rather pull to a show and have other third gen owners goin dam that guy spent some time and money on that car