VILeninDM

Hey guys,

A friend just told me that he couldn't get his car inspected at Sears today because they are waiting for a sniffer to arrive and they can't do any inspections till then.

Sniffer? Does anybody know anything about these new rules? I was thinking of putting a carbed v8 into my 88 camaro (originally MPFI 2.8L). Did these new laws pretty much foil all my plans?


As a side question. I also have 86 carbed parts car sitting in my garage. Since I am building my car from scratch and at this point it is just a frame with some body panels and windshield, would it be possible to transplant VIN number from parts car and make mine an 86? Can't use 86 because that body has more rust than actual metal at this point and my 88 is relatively perfect compared to that.

Ron79

You cannot swap vin tags. That is illegal, and not just in New York. As for the emissions thing, the way they had it set up in VA was that you could still do an engine swap as long as the vehicle that the engine was coming out of was the same year or newer, and you maintained all of the emissions equipment from that engine. As long as that was done, the only thing that had to happen was the vehicle needed to pass the emissions standards for the year the vehicle was produced. (eg: 1988 model year has to pass emissions standards for 1988, not 2004.)

VILeninDM

I am curious what the new emissions laws for the state are and how it changed the inspection process. If they just sniff, I could probably get away with having a carb there. If there is the whole thing like they do in NYC, NJ and CA, then looks like carb idea is out the window if I want to keep my car on the street.

I realize disabling factory computer has never been legal, but up until now no one in western/upstate NY ever cared what you did to the car.

Anyone know how bad it is now? Will they run the VIN numbers against some database to see what your car had from the factory? Are all inspections linked to central database in albany, or would it still be possible to get a carbed car inspected for $50 more than what you would typically pay. (if that was legal, of course ).



p.s. As it is here, VIN thing was really a side question. I realize it's illegal but so is placing carb where TBI used to be and you see people do that all the time. If the car is stripped down to a bare frame, I was just wondering how difficult would it be to take it a step further (whether or not that step is legal is another discussion). We can think of it as me restoring an 86, but taking the frame and body off an 88.

KCobain147

i used to work for an autoparts store, and i have a general idea as to what the new laws are... 96 and later vehicles will be scanned with a code reader, if it throws any codes, it will fail ..it sends a signal to albany, then albany sends the signal back if it passes to print the sticker...so you cant "buy a sticker" anymore..cars 95 and earlier will have the basic same NYSI as far as i know, albany still prints the sticker ...so if it passed up till now, you should be ok, unless there's a check engine light on visible, because the inspector will have to fail it..as far as sears not doing inspections..used to work there, have friends there..pretty much it's a waste of money for the company to buy inspection stickers when with the new system coming soon and sincealbany will be sending the signal and printing them through a different method, stickers are a waste of money...so they're simply not doing NYSI till they get the new equipment...hopefully that'll help out.

AllGoNoShow

The sniffer test will be employed for every car 96' and newer, everywhere in NY state(instead of just the 5 boroughs). Older cars will still have the same rules; all original equipment must be on and functioning; still just a visual inspection; no sniffer.

HorseflyDF

Is this new law for 05?

I had my 89 celica gts inspected in 04 and they
put It on the dyno sniffer.

Theres no way I can pass with my 86 Iroc 350 engine
with 4bbl and no emmision equiptment in the engine bay
but I do have a cat on it.

I know a guy at work who scanned his stickers and made new
ones on his computer for years but now he said he cant do it
anymore.

Camaro Junkie

If u live upstate (Albany) only 1996 and newer cars get the sniff and computer test. 95 and before should be ok

HorseflyDF

I live in queens ny
but the post said new laws are for ny state

88to85rescam

I'm in the same boat... Building an 85 camaro with t-tops, its getting the 355 tpi from my 88 camaro and I'm missing the title from the 85', need the letter from the estate of the guy who died that I bought the car from saying I bought it... Long Process...



Wish vins could be switched... owell.


As far as emissions-

I'd like to delete the Ac and smog for ease of access under the hood, not for performance. now for the air tubes.... I have aftermarket headers without tubes and bungs for the tubes, was thinking of just tacking the tubes to the headers so they appear to be connected. Love having the welder in the shop. hmm but the air tube for the cat? ah... cut the cat in half and put it around the straight pipe and seal it up around the ends so it looks real and it'll have the air pipe going to it and everything.


hehe...

HorseflyDF

I removed the air pump system also,
I was wondering if this system contributed to rusting out
headers because they really are rusted .
I bet it does .

RichSoucie

pop out the windshield drill out the rivits on the vin then rivit it in the other car. just a note 84 and earlier never had emmision equiptment so they dont need to pass. did this on my 86' cause went to my uncles shop he ran the sniffer and i failed he gave me the idea. I live in mass by the way.

ryn28

iTrader: (1)

I made my own emissions sticker on the computer in the past until I almost got arrested by a state trooper after being pulled over with a group of other people. In other words, not a good idea, don't even try it.

As far as getting passed with no emissions equipment you have to talk to people and $$....not that I would know anything about this, just trying to help out

RichSoucie

one of my buddies dads were using a budwieser lable as a sticker when the mass stickers were red. he finally got caught and he was drinking a beer when he got pulled over the cop went over looked at his sticker came back told him to dump his beer and sent him on his way. probly didnt want to have to do all the paperwork. i bet the cops are still laughin about that one.

88to85rescam

That's too good...

Inwo

That's totally incorrect. The 82-84s had computer controlled carbs EGR PCV systems and catalytic convertors not to mention the ever popular smog pump. The canadian versions didn't have computer controlled carbs I know but I couldn't say about cats or whatnot.

Take a look at the screws around the VIN. They're splayed in such a way that tampering is easily detectable by any shop who knows what they're doing. Chances are that the shop you went to wouldn't have bothered to check for emissions regardless of the VIN.

RichSoucie

i dont know about new york but in mass if a car is 84 or older it does not have to pass emmisions

Inwo

Must be nice. The local shop told me full emissions must be present on my 84 so it's down for another season while I build up this 88 with full emissions compliance :cry:

VILeninDM

Well, I just took a look at NY DMV website and it appears that NY has a 25 year sliding scale for exempt vehicles (for some reason I thought it was 20), so in 2007 anyone who owns 82 year model can do anything they want.

But website also said that for 95 and older inspection will not really change. It still only involves the "visual check", none of that phone line to central computer business.

Inwo, where you from? Did you try taking the car to a different shop? Can you put enough stuff in their to fool the visual test?

I still have ways to go before buying my engine, but I really don't know what to do now. I was hoping for a carb, but now it looks like I can't even get away with aftermarket EFI setups. The only thing that would be legal is a TPI.