camaro430sut

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Found this as I was trolling ebay. Appears as thought the hatch has been replaced. The interior looks half way decent for a car that looks that bad. Could this be the lowest miilage thirdgen?
Matt
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ponti...spagenameZWDVW

Jboat87

Geez, I thought this one was. But that one has it beat...
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli..._LotNumber=463

FYI: I checked the VIN that he listed on the auction and it comes up as invalid...?

And I thought mine was low mileage at 26.5K...

82 Iron Duke

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Hmmmm, very interesting story, very low mileage indeed but it needs alot of work, I added this to my watch list thanks for posting this.

cool z

wow...never seen a car with that low of miles in my life... i hope someone takes that and puts all their love into it, and makes her a beauty again!

okfoz

Unfortunately the car is really rough... The Autocheck came back with a history of 0 Reports which indicates that the story might actually be true as it was never titled, or it has been so long since there was any activity on the VIN that it comes back as nothing...

At first glance I thought that the odometer had rolled over but then I looked at the seats and the material looks like there is no wear on them...

I Thought that they put 4 miles on every car in the factory for the test run... For some reason thats the number that sticks in my head...

John

84redta

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thing looks beat from the outside like it's been driven every day of it's life, lol. I can't believe a car school wouldn't even touch that car. I would be begging the professor to let me start on it, lol.

SLP_GTA

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love to see the engine pix as that would really be a indicator of its condition.

okfoz

Hello this action is for a 1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. This car has a story to it. I am the frist owner of this car. This car still has the price sticker is still on the window.This car never made it to the dealership due to the fact that that when the car was loaded onto the trasport the diver was loading the another car behind the car that i own and made contact from the rear trusting the car forward causing some damage on the rear also causing minor damage on the front passanger's side pillar causing the windshield to brake. After the dealership refused to take the car it was sent back then the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) took the car as a project car and sat there for a lil over 20 years and the LAUSD never got to work on it so it has minor vandalisum inside (interior wise) but other then that all the interior is great for a 28 year old car still has the factory protective plastics on the floor. So ofter LAUSD relized that they weren't goin to fix it they donated the car and the car was action with all the benifits goin to charity whitch i happend to be the highest bidder so i have had the car for a lil over 4 years now and well i ahve protected it from the elements to keep the condition of the car from deteriorating. i got the car so i can restore it but i havent got around to do it. I have to sell the car because i will be moving out of state and i can not affoed to take it with me also because the place the i will be moving to there will bw no room and will be exposed to the elements. The car still has the original rims tires the car in its time was top notch this car is also equiped with the premium package with all options and trim the car has never had plates nor has it even been driven untill i tested it to make sure everything worked and it does. Alson the car has never had a full tank of gas nor has it even been driven on the freeway. The car has a crossfire injection (same engine as a corvette that year) with ram air intake and a positive diff (LSD) form factory. Also has front and rear disc brakes. Heres is the VIN number so you can look up the history of the car; 1G2AW87S1DL215601

okfoz

PIx2
Notice the Odometer & Trip have exactly the same miles...

okfoz

Some More...

brandotron

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That car has never been titled--it would be a nightmare to register.

ezliving4ume

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So, like 25 years with out a windshield? were they really that lazy? It seems like the interior would have rotted out of the car.

The steering wheel doesn't like its been used nor does the lettering on ther trun signal switch

MNformula350

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I don't know how it was in the 80's, but when I worked for Pontiac in the late 90's most of the cars came on with less than 1.0 mile on them from the factory.

I usually put between 2-3 miles on them going to the gas station and back when doing my PDI's (Pre Delivery Inspections), and of course, the F-Bodies were the funnest PDI cars, and usually ended up with 5-6 miles on them LOL.
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Also, to comment on the car, look at that switches on the dash, if that car had seen any use at all, they would be all worn and rotted, they still look new! That's a Rare find LOL, Ask TAdan

82 Iron Duke

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I hate to do this John, but that was pretty bad, 36 typos.

"Hello this action is for a 1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. This car has a story to it. I am the first owner of this car. This car still has the price sticker is still on the window. This car never made it to the dealership due to the fact that that when the car was loaded onto the transport the diver was loading the another car behind the car that I own and made contact from the rear trusting the car forward causing some damage on the rear also causing minor damage on the front passenger’s side pillar causing the windshield to brake. After the dealership refused to take the car it was sent back then the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) took the car as a project car and sat there for a little over 20 years and the LAUSD never got to work on it so it has minor vandalism inside (interior wise) but other then that all the interior is great for a 28 year old car still has the factory protective plastics on the floor. So after LAUSD realized that they weren't going to fix it they donated the car and the car was action with all the benefits going to charity which I happened to be the highest bidder so I have had the car for a little over 4 years now and well I have protected it from the elements to keep the condition of the car from deteriorating. I got the car so I can restore it but I haven’t got around to do it. I have to sell the car because I will be moving out of state and I can not afford to take it with me also because the place I will be moving to there will be no room and will be exposed to the elements. The car still has the original rims tires the car in its time was top notch this car is also equipped with the premium package with all options and trim the car has never had plates nor has it even been driven until I tested it to make sure everything worked and it does. Also the car has never had a full tank of gas nor has it even been driven on the freeway. The car has a crossfire injection (same engine as a corvette that year) with ram air intake and a positive diff (LSD) form factory. Also have front and rear disc brakes. Here’s is the VIN number so you can look up the history of the car; 1G2AW87S1DL215601"

92RS(real slow)

man thats crazy I don't understand how the interior still looks that good for not having a windshield for 20+ yrs

Spike-Z

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Im calling bs on this one... I mean, look at the paint, did it sat for 25 years outside? Windshield has never been replaced in all that time? Come on, if students sat in this car and learned on it, it would have been replaced because of the busted glass edges. Many panels are misalligned. It has dents and dings all over the body. Stonechips on the front bumper and hood. The paint is VERY dull, looks like theres no clear on it anymore. The carpet has been ripped out and most of the interior pieces are gone BUT OMG, the build sheet is still there (in poor shape) after 25+ years of people coming in and out of the car! Aint it incredible?

Since we dont have any answers for all those mysteries, Im calling bs.

okfoz

1) I did not type it.

2) From the description I would think that yes it sat outside that entiere time, The missing windshield, no one cared about the car so why invest anything into it...

On the one hand it would be a neat car to own JUST because of the miles, the other hand it has been so neglected, the mice have made such a disaster out of it and the lack of a windshield for how long really makes the car worth about the same as a 200K car...

John

Cadillac

Throwing a flag:



My opinion of course. That story is just too weird. We ought to sic the SoCal TGOer's on this seller.

On a side note, I want the seats.

1982TA

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yah, for having only 3 miles the car is trashed. It looks like it need a lot of work to get it back to factory. Also whats up with the shifter?? The round style only came with the 3 speed automatics, the "T-Handle" style came with the 4 speed overdrive automatics. It has been changed at some point. The window sticker says it has the Crossfire Injection engine...would like to see pics of it. Oh, and he says the same engine as the corvette of that year. No corvette in '83, and the Crossfire would have been a 350 in a corvette, not 305

If I had the means to buy it, I'd use it as a parts car.

89RS_82Z

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yea someone has striped stuff out of that, then again if i had a third gen and i was still in school, and there happened to be one there to work on, it would be missing alot of parts

okfoz

I noticed the shifter as well, the only thing I could suggest is someone stole the Steering wheel and the Shifter and the parts were replaced with generic parts to get the car moving...

John

LAFireboyd

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Since the e-brake handle is missing, it's a good possibility that you're right about the shifter handle being replaced, okfoz. But I doubt the steering wheel was removed or replaced.

That is the appropriate wheel for the car. And it looks flawless, no wear at all, like it's brand new or never been handled. It would've been nearly impossible and very expensive to find one in that condition(brand new or recovered) to stick on there as a temporary fix.

I'm inclined to believe the story. I mean, who could make up such a story and expect people to believe it? lol But as it is, the car is still worth nothing more than any other parts car. I wonder what the owner paid for it at the auction.

BLACK ICE

Not sure if you guys that have been on the boards for a while remember but wasnt there a guy on here several years ago that went to a school that had a shop class with a car that had a similar story? I dont remember much other than him saying that it was getting messed up from people rubbing against it and stuff.

1991Formula350

Who cares how many miles on a car that old, crap has to be replaced due to age no matter if it is 6 miles or 160,000 miles.

Besides, the appearance is all that matters to most I would think. I'll take a 130,000 miles formula in that looks mint by adult owner over a 6,ooo mile car a teenager drove. Just my 2 cents. P.S.....Ditto to above on B.S. Andrew

TTOP350

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I'd bet a five dollar bill that car has a aluminum hood..

In my freshman year of shop class we got a 85 TPI IROC in that had the roof smashed from the transport truck.. It was red with a black gut.
If a car is given to a school they usually dont have a VIN tag and are NOT to be sold to the public when they are done with them. They are supposed to be destroyed.

3rdgenparts

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That story has merit

There is a local trade school in my area,That has the first (prototype) '94 Z28 Camaro that was donated by GM back in the 90's.The shop teacher said it can NEVER be sold to the public or registered.And I think they had a GM test C4 vette with a LS1 engine but I barley remember the story on it.

College kids use it to learn how to work on cars and junk.

After its been "used" it will be crushed

that was 3-4 years ago,So it's probably gone by now

Dave

redlinemuscle

I have seen tires with 5000 miles on them that look newer than that! look at the cracks in the sidewalls, no '****' on the edges of the tread. What a load of BS this guy is dishing out. People can create crazy stories- they're called LIARS.

Live Free

looks like it got rear ended by a truck...

okfoz

There is rust on the hood... so its not Aluminum...

Different states have different rules, and under different circumstances the title & removal of the vin may vary. Of course I think its illegal to remove the Vin plate from a car... Could be wrong.

John

TTOP350

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I didnt look to close at the hood. Just took a stab at it because of some of the options.
Ill is weird about Vin tags. Strict as hell but no one knows how to read the law.

online170

The story is completely beleivable, but im still skeptical.

The console was replaced, so maybe the odometer was too? Also, im skeptical because the zeros in the odometer do not line up, the left ones are lower, but the trip meter's line up perfect.

Next up, if the car was stored outside, that is normal wear for original paint, and it looks to be original. The wheels are impecable. BUT, look at the dashpad, and the interior. If it really has been missing a windshield for 2 and a half decades, i dont care what you cover it with, the car was NOT sealed shut. So the moisture would have affected the interior as well. Forget the seats, look at how clean the dash is..... Also raido is missing, but usually the driver window is smashed to get that. Maybe we should contact the owner and ask how the state of something that is ALWAYS moved or removed is. Like i know for my 71 buick, if it had the original jack and trunk mat, the car was really well taken care of. Those were the first 2 things to disappear.

Very wierd indeed. I dont know what to think.

RevItUpZ28

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That was the first thing I thought about when I saw this post... I remember a similar story from way back when.

scottmoyer

I'm not a Firebird guy so I can't comment on much, but to the sellers credit, The rims are mint, there was no clear coat in 1983, the original Eagle GT tires have a deep tread and haven't been available for many years now. The leather on the steering wheel looks perfect, and the owner never said the car sat outside for 28 years. The paint can be in bad shape just because it hasn't been taken care of. Plus the hood to fenders to headlight covers line up nicely. I believe this to be legit.

groundrat

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Also the guy said the windshield was broken, not missing. He may have "begun removing" the windshield to start his "restoration". Just a thought.

okfoz

Actually the numbers line up REALLY well on the odometer. they line up perfect matter of factly I think what you might be seeing is the fact he took the picture down low, where typically you would see them from straight on.

John

online170

I think youre right. I was using the "4" as a reference, but if you look at the tops and bottoms of the zeros, you can measure a straight edge with them.

87_GTA_5.7

The story is odd to me also but I can see it somewhat true. Yeah it sat out side for 20+ years. The car was a crossfire 305 so, paint it new glass sell it for $10,000. Find taillights and otehr things that have been broke. And most of the panels look good and lined up. The steering wheel..and other switchs would be all worn nothng is. I can see it possibale!

87cmroiroc305ho

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i beleive its real, i onely thing something is wrong that there is a forum on here and the owner of the car from ebay is sayin it his, i believe it

TPImoneypit

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Ok, I've seen cars at the junkyard that sit outside for a month with a busted windshield and the interiors are completely trashed. Where's the water damage? Who would go to the trouble of replacing the rear hatch on a car that supposedly just sat around for 20 some years? Also, that car has a 5 digit odometer. Rollover? 103k, 203k?

scottmoyer

1991Formula350

Gentlemen, this is 2008. Who cares about mileage on a car worth nothing in today's market. Andrew

RPM WOT L 98

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First off, the guys story states that the car got smashed by another car on the transporter causing the rear damage then pushed it into one of the rails that dimpled the a pillar and shattered the windshield. Second, he never said that it was stored outside. It was in the high school shop for most of its life, and then he bought it so it spent most if not all of that time inside therefore no water damage on the interior. There are missing parts, but those are understandable. So are some of the damaged parts.
When I was in high school we were given a brand new 1989 Bonnie SSE that had the same type of accident during transport and the roof was dented and had a hole in it. Over the years that car got really trashed. It sat inside but there were so many pieces broken or missing, lots of wear on the seats and just general damage BUT you could clearly tell by looking at certain parts that the car was brand new with 5 miles on it. I mean this TA was at a high school in Los Angeles! He's lucky there is no graffiti on it!

I believe the story, the car has points like the wheels and tires that are totally believable for the condition.

Bottom line is that the car may look like it is in a junkyard but that doesn't mean that it is in the same condition that cars at the junkyard are in i.e. 200K miles of wear and abuse, water damage and all sorts of other damage.

Also I think that it is an awesome story to go along with the car. The guy got just under 2K for it. What the new owner will do with it is anyones guess. It would need a major restoration to really bring in any money, but there is something very special about it, as rough of a condition as it may be in.

Just my opinion..
Mark

Abubaca

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A quick inspection of the car in person would most certainly verify the extreme low mileage. At this point, all we can do is speculate.

I'm an Iroc fan. If an Iroc appeared like this, with extemely low mileage, a good proveable story, and this car's current physical condition, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. It's not about the value, and if any of you that posted are in this hobby for the value, I've got a GREAT bridge in brooklyn you may also be interested in buying. I'll let it go cheap.

Brisk

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just to update, it sold for $1,781.00

Stevo

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Ya, good deal and maybe not so good of deal for one. Its history to me and a 3.4 mile car is a 3.4 mile car and i think it was a good deal.

I for one completely believe this is a legit story. Pretty sad though.

When i was in high school and also college here, they had all kinds of low mileage cars from the early 2000 and mid 90s and like said these car would have all kinds of scratches and little missing parts from kids. But generally all had very low miles like under 100.

scottmoyer

How much you asking? I may be interested!

okfoz

Yeah, I might tbe inteseted too, whatever Scott is offering I will double it... I could use the Tolls to pay off the bridge.

Honestly I believe the story, I might be a fool with a big S on my forehead. I looked at it again and thought it was not that bad a deal for what it went for.

Just looking at the rust patterns on the car I believe the story is very possible. The wheel wells look great, most of the rust is on TOP of the car not on the bottom, which would indicate a driven car. The rust is from the Sun and Rain. I suspect that the car did not spend its life inside a shop but rather in a pen outside.

John

Kevin84Z28

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I'm calling it B.S. too, Economics don't add up. Car gets dinged enroute to the dealer and they refuse to accept. If it was a dealer optioned car it was already paid for. If it was a customer order car it would have been fixed by the dealer or sent directly back to the factory for repairs. But instead it ends up at a school as a project? Yeah, right. If every car that got hurt from the factory to the dealer was given away there would be a ton of theses out there. The dealer or the factory would have fixed the body and window and nobody would have been the wiser. More EBAY Motors junkyard stories.

86WS6

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I worked briefly for a GM dealer in the 80's and sometimes damaged cars were repaired and sold as demo's, or if severe enough they were salvaged or donated to schools as this person claims. You' all bring up a lot of valid points which makes me skeptical of his claim also. Regardless, this poor thing is so rough that even with a professional restoration, it will never be as nice as a well kept car. I bought a new Blazer that got a big scratch accross the roof while off loading, and got a real nice discount, and they painted the roof.

okfoz

I dated a girl and her father owned a Frame shop in OH. I remember them driving a brand new Cadillac DeVille because it was damaged. The car apparently was on the lot and another car rolled into it or something stupid. The long story short was he got the car about half off of the Sticker price, there was only $3000 or so damage done to the car I think he invested $1000, drove it for 1 year, sold it for what he had into it. Dealers cannot sell a car as new but have a repaired car, I believe it would be illegal. It may have been in the dealers best intrest to take the loss, donate it to a school and write it off for some tax credit.

John