vortechLT1

I hear alot of talk about how bad N2O is but alot of people make it sould like superchargers and turbos are from *** him self, I have not heard 1 single thing about how a blower can be just as harmful if not (like nitrous) installed properly or is to radical for the engine
has everyone completly forgot about detonation? or how the amount of boost has to be limited to avoid serious problems? I agree nitrous can be harmfull to an engine if set up incorrectly but when used as recomended it is generally safe. I know a guy who had a stock 2000 mustang on nos that would eat vettes all day long, he used it so much he had to get his bottles (2 of them) filled every other day and he NEVER had a problem with this car was his car set up right for the amount of nos used "yes" hence NO PROBLEMS... any one in here ever see a car at the drag strip detonate and blow the supercharger completly off the engine? or maybe seen a car blow up and both heads blow off the block? I have a few times and none of these cars had nitrous (but blowers) so I think all the whinning needs to stop I can understand giving an opinion but when it gets out of hand and people start making rude comments like "For all the Nitrous guys that are spittin out all these half truth statements I hope you keep your bottle heater on while your car is in your garage and it blows up and sends your garage door and car into pieces." as far as this about N2O is for people who dont know how to build an engine, WTF people???? I have put 10K in to my LT1 powered 82 TA and I plan on putting NOS on it after I get my supercharger so if I have NOS on it that automaticly means the engine is junk just because of the nitrous? sorry but a 95 LT1 with 10k in the motor alone that has 3,143 actual miles on it (not on the rebuild or since I have worked on it) but original miles is junk?I dont think so!
but hey thats just my OPINION

@ZZKKER

iTrader: (1)

im not anti power adder (i have a turbocharger that i am going to install in my 89 roc) but i am anti nos. i beleve the power should be there all the, and not worrying about the bottle running empty in a race. and a super or turbo charged motor produces its power off of all motor, it just has a resporator forcing air into its lungs.

thanks
anthony

NOSFEDGTA

you say a turbo or a super motor makes its own power from the motor huh, and that it is a resporator. Well my nos bottle is just a way of using a steroid inhalent then. If you dont know its a thing for people who have asthma. My car has 0ver 185k on it and I use bottle after bottle with no porblems. You just have to know how to use it right...

Drew

fattie92

aight guys, well iv done alot of thinking, and reading from this tread...and i came to the conclusion that im gonna get N20. i dont know what brand yet or anything (not gonna get it till next spring)..but im wondering what would be a good shot to go with now. iv got a 4 bolt main block, O-ringed heads and block and the stuff in my sig. i was thinking about just a 150 shot...but can i go more?

vortechLT1

good way of breaking it down NOSFED!

NOSFEDGTA

What kind of pistons do you have?? If they are forged you can shoot more than a 150 If you have a set of trw,probe, you could shoot up to about 250 or so. if you have a ross,J&E, or custom you can shoot more to it. If you have hyper,keith black or equivalent you can go upto 150 with no problem just be carefull and keep an eye on fuel pressure. use a fuel pressure safety switch, bottle heater, and you will be set. I would go with NX system or a TNT setup. The NX is a little cheaper. I run one of each. I have a NX efi kit on my 88 tpi and a tnt kit on my 406 gta.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Drew

89firechicken

now from what i under stand the brand didnt matter on how much N2o you could shove itno your heads. i thought it was the material it was made out of. like you wouldnt want to use a hyperutetic and blow N2o into it whether it was a ross or a JE. im sure thats how it works, right?

B4Ctom1

I dont know that either company makes hyperuetectic pistons but, many others do and I hate hypers with "naws". keithblack told me their hypers WERE nitrous pistons. what a joke! some guys are having success here with them though they are in the minority.

fattie92

that is a good question...i have no idea what pistions i have, all i know is the compression (8.5:1) ...i was looking at either the NX setup, or the sniper setup. sniper says you can use there kit all the way to 150 on stock internals. iv never heard of TNT, you got a link for it? also just to make it clear, i DO have a carb system (q-jet spreadbore)..also what type of switch is everyone running? i mean is it hooked up to the TPS so when you go to WOT it is injected and activated by a switch....or is it activated by a switch then feed in with a button when you deside to push it? also can someone give me some details on the fuel pressure safty switch? thanks guys!

@ZZKKER

iTrader: (1)

well in 2 - 3 years you wil praobably have refilled your nos bottle so many time that you probably could have installed a supercharger or turbocharger.

thanks
anthony

B4Ctom1

True, I figured due to holidays, inclement weather, personal commitments, and lack of races (victims) you will probably race only about two thirds the weekends in a year (35 weekends). One bottle per weekend at 5 to 6 passes per bottle on a 150 shot. 150 hp = roughly 5 to 6 #/min devided by 4 (roughly 15 seconds per pass accounting for losses and hot days where more than 5 to 6#/min flow is encountered) = about 1.5 lbs per pass = 5 to 6 passes per weekend using 7.5 to 8 lbs of usable nitrous from each bottle (hot days or bottle heaters will allow more use). 35 weekends X 8 lbs of nitrous = 280 lbs of nitrous per year. but in case my math is flawed lets figure 40 weeks a year for few weekends that you use two bottles 40 X 8 = 320 lbs. 320 pounds X $3.50 / pound = $1120. $1120 X 3 years is $3360. $3360 + $489 (price of NX kit) = $3849 well within the price range of a nice procharger or vortech but could you save it. since if you get the nitrous you will be paying for it anyway over a long period of time, maybe its time to get CRAZY and go to the bank and get a loan for one (NO CREDIT CARDS!!!

fattie92

id love to turbo or supercharge my car, but so far i havent found a way that would be cheap and easy for me to do. if you dont have to tools to turbo charge it, then you better have friends in the right places casue them custom headers are gonna be EXPENSCIVE!..not to mention all the other custom tubing needed to go to the intercooler,intake, and the air filter. a turbo would probly be the only kind of forced induction(besideds N20) that would let me pass emissions. unless i tried to strap on a Vortec supercharger for carborated models, and there i still will have problems. that vortech kit is only for demon carbs, not qjets..meaning no emissions stuff to keep me safe. i also wnated to get a blower, but it has no provisions for the EGR system. but guess waht good ol' nitrous lets you do?? i dont race much, hell iv only been to the track twice! but im sure with the bottle ill be hiting 13's, maybe even a 12.9 and im gonna want to go more....
also maybe ill get the nitrous, then keep my car forever and turbocharge it as well ..i dont know anything about putting nitrous into a blown car, but i want to learn about it. alright i need to get back to work!

@ZZKKER

iTrader: (1)

i dont have gobbs of money either, but i am turbo charging my car and i paid 150 for my turbo with manifold for intake and exaust. all i need to run a carbed car is crossover pipe and downtube. but since i hate carbs, i will have to get a tpi intake pipe $$$$. but anyway here is a pic, and the exaust manifold is a banks turbo manifold.

hawaiianguy

For the guys who don't have the money right away to go with a supercharger or a turbo set up, nitrous is a good , cheap go fast type of modification. I also agree that racing should be kept to the track and not the street. Anyone who calls you a p***y for not accepting a street challenge is a wannabe fast guy who doesn't deserve the time of day from you anyway! By the way, he's the p***y and not you. I just look at N2O as another way to add horsepower and torque for quick et's. I run a completely stock 1991 Z28. The only thing missing is the smog pump and A.I.R. set up. It has 117,000 miles on it with no rebuild on the 350TPI. I ran a 14.8 quarter and beat a Accura Integra heavily modified with head and exhaust work as well as a boost controller for his turbo. He ran a 15.1 That win was sweet! For a high mileage 350TPI, with no modifications, I guess that's not bad.

Jer82Z28

I completely agree.

those street racer wussies would only goto the track to watch.. point at other cars and say "i can beat that.. and that"
LMAO.

caleb

just thought i would add something

fattie92

that guys integra must have been REALLLLLLLLLY out of tune! my friends Teg with less mods runs 14.7's

hawaiianguy

fattie92, your probably right. I knew what he had under that little hood of his and I figured I'd be getting beat on this run. But all I saw were his lights on behind me in my rear view mirror. He nearly caught me at the trap, but not quite. Was good anyway!

JuicedBird

I don't think anyone here is talking about putting there wife's grocery getter on the bottle and going **** hunting, right? I think most of us here have out grown the midnight street racing scene, so when street racing is mentioned, I think of a little **** rocket pulling up next to you at a spot light and revving his little VTEC at you. For this type of thing, no 500HP+ V8 is going to jump in the back seat and open up the bottle in fear of being trounced by a civic. Yes, NO2 is stupid for anyone running a stock, all cast motor that could go at any time, but for cars making 500HP off the bottle and 750HP on, it's a legitimate power adder. There's noting like being able to go and have some fun driving your car on a Friday night, then turning on the juice Saturday morning for some excitement on the track; and besides who says you can't run multiple power adders, I'm planning to build a stout 383 to run at least a 150 shot on and eventually a supercharger as well. The whole idea is to go faster, does anyone have a problem with that? You might be fast, but there's someone faster.

JuicedBird

Man, we can't say **** rocket on this board? I can't see how that could provide a healthy import bashing environment!(Sarcastic tone, incase you couldn't tell)

B4Ctom1

****, ****, ***, ****, ******, and **** are all words that are banned on this BBS this is the thread that would not die I think

Hecubus

call me old fashioned but, what ever happen to race what you brought.

I run no2, I dont hide it, I'll tell anyone who wants to race if they ask, and I don't give a damn what they have as long as they dont lie.

Don't whine
Don't be a sore looser
Don't be a poser

I am fully prepared to loose.... and not cry about it and try to justify my losses by creating some "unfair" disadvantage as if they were "cheating".

If you pull up next to me and My bottle is empty ..well I guess thats my fault.
No2 has it's cons ...deal with it or grow some money on a tree and create time to build a motor.
I've been trying to build a 383 for a long time now but 175hp for 500 bucks and 1-2 hour install sounded pretty good right now
and I've got my money's worth = lots of fun

It's supposed to be fun..some people need to relax
sorry if you don't agree but thats IMO

If you don't like it, don't race me
I probably come of like a ***** .......but ohh well

JuicedBird

I like the way you think, but I can't see this prerace discussion of mods. I guess maybe I just like the element of surprise in the race. I can't tell you how many times I've shocked the hell out of mustang owners with my all-motor 300ZX. I feel like it just adds to the comrodery of the sport to be suprised by that beater next to you, pulll up next to him and yell, "what are you running under there". After all, losing a race is not a life and death situation, he do this because it's fun and we like a little excitement in our lifes. In short, to all you guys stressing about if there are hatchback Civics out there running 12lbs of turbo boost and a 200 shot of the juice that can blow your doors off, I'll tell you now, there are I've seen them. And you know what, I hate to say it, but I used to hate imports indescriminately, but I've got to give respect to anyone who gets into the 10's in a four banger (and I laugh my *** off at the ones with a 12pt roll cage, pillar gauges and 4pt harnesses running in the 16's) That all I've got to say.

Jer82Z28

Heck even a hidden nitrous setup isn't all that bad.
How easy it to hide a cam swap? Some people paint their aluminum heads to make them look like stock cast iron heads.
is that cheating?

Are we expected to inform the opponent about our aftermarket gear sets and torque converters also?

this thread just will not die

383LT1intake

I see it no different than a turbo or blower i have it but havent yet used it during a race ive only fired it twice when i was out goofing off ive had it for 2 yrs now i do believe in making power on motor over eveything i run 12.2@110 on motor but where i live there are lots of big blocks and blowers so i have it for when i need it havent needed it yet but i know the time is comming i jus put a purge on today had a stang taughting me last weekend and it sounded good for a ford

DIGGLER

iTrader: (1)

my thoughts.....

nitrous is not cheating. stupid to say it is. most everyone that says so is jealous because the nossin' honda their trying to trash can most likely spank their "all motor" f-body. if you dont think its fair, go buy some nitrous to make it fair!!

food for thought-
what would it take to get your 3rd gen to hang with an LS1 thats spraying a 150 shot? thats roughly 450rwhp.
once that level of performance is attained, could you then hop in it and cruise ~350 miles to your vacation spot on a tank of gas?

everything has a purpose. nitrous too. some people realize that you dont need huge power on tap at all times. thats called inefficient, and usually makes a street car no fun to drive.
jeremy

Pablo

iTrader: (1)

Nitrous is only cheating if the guy in the other lane knows you have it.

Intensity_Z

nitrous, blower, turbo all forced extra air into the engine so no matter how you look at it ; it's all cheating, nitrous is just a budget supercharger in a bottle, use it when you need it and still keeps the motor very streetable, just MHO

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

The concept that any form of power adder (short of being towed by a F17) is cheating is dumb.

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

For a daily driver, nitrous is the way to go

As someone who has nitrous i will add this......It's nice to have that "constant power" like with a turbo or supercharger, where the power is always there

However for someone who goes to the track or races like 3-6 times a month and commutes every day to work.......It's better to go the nitrous route...

You can't hide a cam swap.... .....It's all in the exhaust tone....

scottland

Holy mother of old posts, this beast is nearly 1.5 years old

let the poor thread die.

SnkSknrZ28

iTrader: (2)

Anybody wanna shoot up with me ??



I dont need the Nitrous, my motor can hold its own, the Nitrous is just the frosting on the cake.. You know there's always somebody faster than you, and thats when my Kick *** Gas evens up the playing field

Motor to Motor, there are few that can run with me

PS.. Lemme re-phrase that, there are few street legal cars that can run with me..

DIGGLER

iTrader: (1)

cant see it from this pic, but hows about a pair of turbo's and nitrous both?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...31657069gTSxrI


oh and its street legal as well.

jeremy

fattie92

Wow this is one old thread.... heck i dont even own a F body anymore... i moved on to the ...cough cough cough import cough crowd. I now am driving a DSM (talon, eclipse) ... nothing beats Turbo AWD!



but yeah, Nitrous isnt cheating... Back when i started this thread... i was young and stupid.

CaysE

I guess I'll toss my opinion into this aging thread.

After I have a stroked 383 with twin turbos, I'll gladly add N2O to the mix. FAST is the point, IMO.

Verviticas

they way i figure it, the more N20 the ricers use, the less i have to inhale. so fiddle-sticks. all motor all the way.

Lonestar

You are exactly right.

Not to mention I am still pondering how a bottle heater could possibly cause an inert gas to explode?!?

I agree with some on here that it is just a power adder in a different form. As long as you aren't trying to hide it, what's the problem?

Verviticas

the explosion itself isnt the problem. You can breathe the gas, if ithe bottle "blows" in your car its VERY dangerous because you probably dont have a way to vent hundreds of cubic feet of air in a matter of seconds.

bottle heaters arent dangerous tho. but i did have a buddy who's bottle valve failed and nos filled the car, he didnt crash but that was an open road with no one there so he just stopped and jumped out of the car.

Lonestar

Nitrous is non-flammable, hence it won't explode anyway. I don't recall offhand if the nitrous used in the automotive industry is pure or not but the stuff used in a dentist office is something like 10% nitrous. The body does not have the ability to extract oxygen from n2o, so breathing it in it's pure form will cause asphyxiation and death.

I do agree that it would not be easy to vent that much gas in that short a period of time if a tank were to crack open or something, but I don't think a bottle heater could cause it.

tommyt

My opinion is, NOS=turbo=blower. They all accomplish the same thing. Sure,You can build a good motor that will put out some decent power N/A (my 350 is close to 430HP N/A) but the NOS adds a lot to that to make the car pretty fast. This allows a streetable car to run like a N/A car with an all out race motor. There is nothing inherently "good" or "bad" about running any power adder. You need to have a properly built motor for each if any serious
power is desired. You need to know what You are doing with each. It takes just as much skill and money to build a good turbo or blower or NOS motor as it takes to build a serious N/A engine. It is not any cheaper either...I used NOS so far and built a number of NOS engines for street racing for customers. Now I am going to build a twin turbo setup for my own, not because NOS is bad but because I have not done a turbo engine yet and I want to do something new.
So my opinion would be that to each his own but the old 'all throttle no bottle' is becoming outdated pretty quick in the real world. So unless one is running in a strictly N/A class then I say 'hell Yeah' to all power adders, which include NOS. And to the argument 'NOS is illegal on the street', hmmm,well, so is street racing...but people still do it...