fisherbody86

Check this out. I found this in an old car craft from 1992, there is a huge section (16 pages or something) dedicated to hopping up third gens!

subzero

yeah I 've been saying that all along..That is actually the old banks system for carb vehicles..The new Banks Turbo kits for Fuel injected applications is being released On Dec 4 th at the PRI show.

mw66nova

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i'm going to PRI so i will let ya'll in on anything new/spectacular. i will be taking my digi cam too....yeah!

Inwo

Good to see that a major manufacturer actually is paying attention to the large demand for a turbo kit for the thirdgen
I'll be all over a kit, too bad the old one isn't still in production although blowthru kinda sucks anyway...

mw66nova

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not for die-hard carb fans....

88 WS6 TransAm GTA

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Are you serious??? Keep us updated whoever finds out more info! :hail:

subzero

actually if you still want the old carb system you can still get it from banks..You need to go through their dealer division for it though.My bro in law said it can still be built on a limited basis if someone wants it bad enough

83 Crossfire TA

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Subzero, you sound like a broken record.

FWIW, no one will believe it until it actually happens. The only one here that's actually used a set that I know of is andris, and he got his years ago

subzero

call it what you want...Like I have nothing better to do that talk about something that May happen that I know nothing about right?...Sure,whatever

B4Ctom1

I have a preminition, LS1 but not sbc? or just marine sbc, heh I wouldnt be surprised a bit

subzero

Ls1 and not SBC?...Hmmm?...unless I am missing something an LS1 is still a SBC...Granted,much farther along technology wise,but still a SBC...

MrDude_1

no.

its a entirely freaking diffrent motor made by the same company as the SBC.


just like a 4cyl is still a V8.. granted, its just half of one and designed totally diffrently.

subzero

agreed in the sense that is is designed totally differently,but the fact is that it is still a 350 block/engine essentially and therefore considered a small block chevy engine.

87F383

why don't you go to your garage and swap those ale LS1 heads onto your L98 or hell, LT1/4. or better yet...grab your SBC bottom end and shove it into an LS1 block...not happening. Ever.

The only hard spec they even share is that they both are 90 degree v8's....they only other thing I can think of is I believe possibly that the center of the one cylinder bore to the next center is the same as ours SBC's. Its called a Gen III small block probably for pure marketing reasons.

MrDude_1

yea... im going to throw my ford 351 at it next since "it is still a 350 block/engine essentially and therefore considered a small block chevy engine"

MrDude_1

btw the fact that the design of the block, heads, ports, cooling, intake, exhaust valves, bore spacing, stroke, and pretty much everything else is diffrent is irrelevent huh?


it is a diffrent motor, designed by diffrent people, in a diffrent place, in a diffrent time, using diffrent technology. the only thing it has in common is the name the parent company assigned to it in the US.....

subzero

of course it is different technology,I am fully aware of that ..of course most of the componentry is different as well,but the BLOCK is a 350.....If I take an iron eagle block and put on all the LS1 components it is still an iron eagle 350 block..end of story..plus,we're getting way off track here.The post was to advise of the upcoming release of a TT kit for the Chevy smallblock's...Not to debate an LS1 engine.

87F383

none of the LS1 bottom end components will go into an Dart block...or any other "true" small block, not one internal part will, or vice versa. And just for a thrill...the LS1 displaces 346 cubes. The LS1 and SBC are a world apart. If they were indeed interchangable parts as you would imply then almost every person would be salivating over that block for their SBC. But hey, you said they interchange...and im looking for a good 6 bolt main block. :lala:

MrDude_1

87F383 hit the nail on the head. the LS1 is a entirely diffrent engine. perhaps you're thinking of the LT1.


in anycase, i just hate when mis-info is posted that i know is wrong.

89formula383

it seems you started it, and then tried to defend yourself.

but im not poking fingers. the LS1, though a great engine, is a gen III small block. third gens have either a gen I or gen II depending on years (2 piece rear main solid cam block versus 1 piece main roller block, but someone correct me if i am off)

an LT5 displaces 350ci...lemme toss on some AFR heads. And i'm really having trouble finding 3.9" bore pistons for my small block...

and that 3.62" stroke is a little hard to come by, too

but back to the subject, that kit looked awesome, but that manifold sure looks like an efi manifold, where the hell do the carbs go?

but i like it, me wants it, and i hope they produce one for efi cars if they didn't....that's bootiful, just bootiful

would certainly make my twin turbo project a bit easier...

MrDude_1

stock, 3rdgens only came with Gen 1 motors... GenII is the Lt1.. it has a revised cooling system, so the block itself is diffrent (amoung other things)... athough the bore spacing is the same, and you can use various parts of it.... and it bolts into the same place... the heads bolt on back and forth, but the coolent ports dont line up.... you can use the rods and various pieces between the genI and genII motors though

a LT5 is a very very rare motor. and AFR does not make any heads for it LMAO.... but it really doesnt need them anyway.
if you ment to type LT4 and misstyped i apologize..




now to me, since i dont see any fuel rails or injectors (doesnt mean they arnt there), it would appear that the carb goes inside the "box"..... its just one of several ways you can setup a boosted FI setup..... if you want a closer look at somthing like that, look at vortechs carbed blower setup......

subzero

ok,ok,ok..I'm sorry I referred to an LS1 as a smallblock.I should have used Gen III small block or something like that to quantify it as a 350 etc..GEEEZZZ ..whatever...anyway here is a pic of the old carb system in a 3rd gen and the new one looks very similar but it utilizes a TBI type system instead of a carb if you choose to go with the Plenum assembly

87F383

you are forgiven

xmind2006

Right from galebanks.com:

"December 4-6
Performance Racing Industry Show
Banks Twin Turbos Debut
Indiana Convention Center
Indianapolis, IN"

Sweet! I will be looking forward to finally hearing some actually specs of this beast.

89formula383

TBI??? WHY?!?! ugh, oh well. cursed TBI <ducks from the TBI lovers wrath>

87F383

jesus...dont' say that out loud, think it quietly, your about to start a firestorm of hatemail w/ the TBI comment. He didn't mean it everyone... go easy.

2.73's Suck

this kit will be the death of many 700s and t5s

B4Ctom1

nobody makes that kind of stuff for our cars, banks did once and lost his ***, you think he's just going to shell out more cash for some lowly poor thirdgen owners?

xmind2006

I don't believe it is going to be a 'kit' per say. I think it is going to be more of a crate engine deal.

If it was a kit, I don't think he would make it exclusively for 3rd gen F-bodies unfortunently. There is enough of us, but most of us are big dreamers and budget oriented on these cars.

My $.0001 because that is all I can give if you round down.

B4Ctom1

I gave my new current hot rod magazine away but in it is a TT kit using a stealth ram, can someone post the name of the company please, I gave my copy away today. they have headers and they would work on our cars

subzero

the "kit " banks will sell can be used on the Thirdgen.On a TPI car you can use just the "base kit" I'm told that will be everything but the plenum itself and then have some intake pipes fabed or whatever you would like.Of course you would want to go with a DFI or holley commander system etc for programming/tuning.If the system you saw below fit in a thirdgen before and the new sytem is similar in design & dimensions IT WILL work in the vehicle.I would not consider us Lowly thirdgen owners..atleast not me personally.If he lost his *** so badly the first time around then why do it again?....It's not like they can't do anything else..They have certainly made quite the lucrative pratice with their current projects IMO...Maybe it is just a passion,who knows But whatever the case may be,I think it is great to see it finally happen

89formula383

mrdude i was joking about the LT5 and AFR heads....nevermind
but thank you on the other correction

my thirdgen is my "fun-fun-uber-fun-toy-car" so i'll throw all sorts of stupid cash at it. I have an '01 Elantra w/ 66k left on the warranty for my daily driving needs.

I suppose it'll be custom job for me. oh well. if a TT setup can fit in a 'vette and keep AC, i'll be damned if it won't fit in a Firebird.

subzero

now that's the spirit

83 Crossfire TA

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The 2 engine bays pose completely different problems. Vettes have room underneath and around the engine where f-bodies do not, especially around the front/bottom of the engine (where our K-member is). Try fitting a set of factory 'vette headers in an f-body, the front tubes hit the K-member and motor mounts. The only place that I can think of that a 'vette has less room is hood clearance

406-IROC

While talking with a tech at Summit about an entirely different matter, I threw the question of "did you hear of that new Banks system, and will you guy's be distributing it"....

Although he didn't say if they'll offer it, he did speculate that it's definitely for the LS1's. He went on to say that people were so impressed with that "Motor Trend" topic last year about John Lingenfelter's Twin Turbo powered Ls1 vette.... that there was suddenly a very high demand for a kit.

TransAm12sec

Here's another pic of his work.

mw66nova

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i am leaving tomorrow night to go to PRI. i will be armed with a 5meg. pixel sony camera. i will let ya'll in on everything i can. it would be so cool to see someone actually bring a tt setup to the table. even if he made JUST an exhaust system, he would make an absolute killing.

B4Ctom1

Thats the dope I have gotten so far.

DOES ANYONE HAVE THIS ISSUE OF HOT ROD MAGAZINE???

I gave mine away. It has part two of the how to turbo charge article. It includes pictures and info of a twin kit which uses the holley stealth ram in a intercooled kit. I gave my issue away so now I have none of the manufacturers info. Maybe there is a website we can look at???

maroon91rs

Tom ill try and get that issue from my buddy.i can probably get it this weekend if i see him.hes been letting me borrom a few hots rods lately,so he'll probably let me borronw it if hes done with it

askulte

Any feedback from those at the PRI show?

A.

FSTFBDY

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good luck getting pic's. if you do deff. post em. They dont allow cameras in. I wish I could make it this yr. Id just snap some shots on a camera phone..lol.

mw66nova

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well, i have credentials through autometer, they will probably have no problems letting my take my camera in...

i am sitting in the motel 6 ten mile from the convention center. let me tell you guys, the place is BAD!!! i have talked to three different turbo people and several header people. haven't seen banks yet, but, the place is pretty huge so....

garret wants $918 for their gt-42 unit. that's not to shabby for a turbo that would support up to 600hp in my 305 with a single setup.

i'll keep ya'll updated...

FSTFBDY

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get to uploading taking pic's then. and post em.

mw66nova

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alright, here is the low-down on the Gale Banks system. the camera natzi's where worse then i thought. i was unable to take pics. the customer service guys over at their booth (which is absolutley huge) was great. it's ok that i didn't take pics though. the system looks identical to the old ad. and is identical in all rights except it is setup to run with the accel dfi system. (which is NOT tbi but is a MPFI system that runs a throttle body.) very cool stuff. they want a mere $6000 for the system. two turbos, two turbo manifolds, two boost tubes, manifold hat, plumbing, hardware, and two downpipe starter tubes. they are willing to sell just parts for those that want their own setup with banks parts. didn't give me prices on just parts but...seems like a very complete system. kinda pricey, but nice.

what i really wish i could get pics of is Gale's quad-turbo, big block powered, mercedes benz pro-mod car that is show quality.

Inwo

If it comes with the Accel DFI, all applicable sensors, basically a plug and pray system, then I'd be all over that...since I can't weld. What turbos come with it for 6k? T-88s?

mw66nova

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accel dfi is seperate. turbos are smaller than that, like a 60 series...

subzero

told ya it existed....Thre turbos are t4 60-1 with a p-trim I was told.I will try and find out if a DFI system or some other end management system is included or some additional info.Could easily run on a TPIU setup as well with a TPIS mini ram,holley ram jet or similar I figure.

mw66nova

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you can get the DFI system through banks but it cost more money. the system as is includes turbos, tubing, exhaust man., BOV's, the "tbi"manifold hat, and that's it.

subzero

yeah,better to get the DFI through summit or somewhere like that as price will probably be better.

85TransAm406

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Looks cool, but the relocated AC compressor makes it look like i couldn't run my LT1 intake, or a miniram, i might have to go to a stealth ram/superram or stock type TPI. I want to keep my AC, and looks like they have figued it out for me, except for the intake thing. And i was about to buy my weld up header stuff, they're makin me think twice.