Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Tech / General Engine
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-13-2009, 04:49 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Chilekesh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Posts: 29
Car: '89 Trans Am GTA
Engine: L98 - 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27 BW 9 Bolt

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Compression ratio calculation

I've done my share of research and calculation. The factory stated compression ratio for 1989 TPI 350 is 9.3:1. The data I have:

Bore = 4.00''
Stroke = 3.48''
Compressed head gasket thickness = 0.039''
Deck height = 0.025''
Piston top volume (dish) = +8.87 cc
Combustion chamber = 63.2 cc

From these data, I'm calculating a 9.41:1 ratio. Could somebody tell me which of these numbers I have wrong? Bore, stroke and combustion chamber volume are certain, the remaining are somewhat less accurate. I got different numbers from all around. (I'm almost sure about piston dish also but still not certain.)

Second question:

Using the following link: http://www.not2fast.com/turbo/compre...pressure.shtml

I have factory internals and valvetrain. Which means my 0-0 cam duration is around 247 degrees (not between 0.05'' lifts, which is 207), rod length 5.7'', altitude 100 m and temperature 70F. According to this data, I should observe a compression of 218 psi while cranking during a compression test. Am I right? Haven't done the test yet, but I intend to do soon.

Any comments or suggestions on this? Any additional knowledge or correction?
Chilekesh is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2009, 08:31 AM   #2
Supreme Member
 
skinny z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,910

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Compression ratio calculation

My calculator has a variable for the head gasket bore diameter. Using 4.10" I get 9.36:1 as a static compression ratio. The rest of the numbers appear to be OK.
As far a cranking pressure goes, using my engine as an example, I have 185 psi across the board whereas the calculator specs 190 psi. Pretty close I would say. As a backup, I tried the calculations with last years cam and the results are exact. 205 psi.
Be careful how you determine advertised duration based on the .050" spec. Cams can be wildly different in this area and the only sure way to know is to get the factory value.
skinny z is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2009, 09:19 AM   #3
Junior Member
 
Chilekesh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Posts: 29
Car: '89 Trans Am GTA
Engine: L98 - 350 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.27 BW 9 Bolt

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Compression ratio calculation

So is 4.1'' the factory head gasket size?

Then the volume between gasket edge and combustion chamber/cylinder bore edges makes around 0.41 cc [pi/4*(4.1^2-4^2)*0.039*2.54^3], which would make 9.36:1 as you said. I don't know the accuracy required in this anyway, maybe it is close enough. But if this was the case, they would've rounded it up to 9.4:1 instead of 9.3:1 so something seems to be amiss.

About the second issue, I can't seem to find the 0-lash duration of the factory cam, that's why I added 40 degrees to 0.05-0.05 duration. In any case, I'll have a conclusion after I check all the cylinders.

Also it is interesting to see how much effect has the height above sea level over the cranking pressure. Even 0 to 500m altitude difference translates to 13 psi decrease under 9.3:1 compression. It is even possible to read pretty different values between a sunny day and just before a hurricane.

Last edited by Chilekesh; 05-13-2009 at 09:34 AM.
Chilekesh is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2009, 09:34 AM   #4
Supreme Member
 
skinny z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,910

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Compression ratio calculation

I don't think we can consider .1:1 ( or less) to be too much of an error.
Consider that it hasn't been exactly determined what the piston deck height is ( .025" is an average OEM value ). Have the numbers for piston dish (8.87cc) and combustion chamber volume (63.2cc) been measured?
skinny z is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2009, 09:34 AM
ThirdGen
1992 Camaro




Paid Advertisement


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Tech / General Engine

Tags
350, 93, 941, calculations, calculator, compression, data, engine, engines, factory, fbody, formula, gear, iroc, psi, ratio
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 


1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright © 1997 - 2012 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.

Emails & Contact Details