N8Miller

my gfs sister dates a cop from a few towns over. for like the last year ive had to listen to how i cant hold a flame to him.

I have an 86 GT with a 331, edelbrock heads, 4.10s, full exhaust, RPM intake, custom cam and other lil accesories.

He has a 00 SS with 6 spd and a loud mouth exhaust.


what ya think??

BigErns90IrocZ

He is running easy low 13's if he has a 6spd. With exhaust and a gutted air lid they are high 12's with a decent driver.

rezinn

Edelbrock heads and custom cam doesn't tell us much, could be a million combinations. I'll tell you that I've seen those same cars run mid 12s to mid 13s with minimal or no mods, so if you're there it should be a good race. Depends if either of you can drive, also.

Nic

If you're NOT in the 11's, you're doing something wrong. He shouldn't even be close to you.

SOLID LIFTER

Agreed.

N8Miller

well, as for the 11s idea....im not even close. i ran it with a bad plug and it put out 13.8 @104mph. the MPH is there---but damn plug screwed me. i could have probably gotten it to a 13.3 or so and 106ish, but i didnt have another plug. thats also wtih a 2.2 60'-----need ETs bad man...real bad.

but as for the SS, when spring arrives-----its on!

mtx28

because he's got a street 331 he should be in the 11's? just wondering if that's what your saying.

your mph is def there, have got long way to go on et though. get some tires and maby some suspension parts to help you hook.. I went from a 13.8@104 in my 01 SS stock to a 13.1@109 with tires, air lid, and lower control arms. driving was also part of that, but i attribute about 4 tenths to tires and lca's. good luck dude, rip him a new one

Nic

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because he's got a street 331 he should be in the 11's? just wondering if that's what your saying.
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With his mods, he should be in the 11's. A custom cam/heads/intake should be enough to put a fox body into the 11's alone. Add the fact that he's got 29 extra cubic inches and he should be well into the 11's.

I disagree, with a combo like that, his mph should be a lot better. He should be trapping at least 113 - 115 mph.

85transamtpi

I do agree that your combo should definetly have more MPH. I have seen similar combos running low/mid 12's all day with traction difficulties.

As for the SS, he'll probably run in the 13.0-13.5 range, depending on the driver and the amount of availible traction (tires/track conditions), with at least a 106mph trap speed.

Im not too sure if a bad plug could hurt you that much. I'd guess your combo just needs some overall tuning and some traction.

Be careful when you race...we dont need another street racing crash post.

-Doug

zupmanZ28

I'm gonna have to agree with these guys as well. My best friend has a 93' Gt with nothin but UD pulleys, cold air intake and 4.10s and he busts consistant 13.6@101's. Theres somethin missin in your setup, more so than a spark plug. Have you had it tuned at all?

Eric

5.0mustang

I agree with Nic here. He should be trapping at least 108+ with the bad plug, and well into the 113-115 range with the car sorted out. If all else was right, you should kill the LS1, with some decent traction. I say sort it out and get some track time, and then go for him!

N8Miller

Tuning------none.

Just by hand and feel. im going to get it dyno tuned in the spring here. I know that i could trap about 5mph more if i would push the car harder.
When i rolled into the track, i had like 580 miles on the new motor. so i was a bit hesitant to go full bore, ballz to the wall style.

MTX/85transamtpi: I am going to get a set of ET tires too in the summer for the track and im also going to get a full set of lakewood shocks and struts also. And a set of BBK upper and lower control arms----and im debating Eibach drag springs (i hear they raise the car a bit----i actully wanna lower it----but who knows as of now!).

MdFormula350

sounds like you might win..

85transamtpi

A set of ET Streets will do wonders for ya. Just stay out of the rain...umm from my experience, it sucks!

-Doug

1QWIKZ

I guess I'm missing something? Cause by looking at his combo there is no way that he'll go 11's N/A.......Matbe mid 12's when he gets it all sorted out but that's about it..........Keep us posted on times..

Nic

Mid 12's with that combo would be embarassing

1QWIKZ

How do you figure? I have buddies with mustangs and I know that they can fly with the proper setup but I can't see how you think he will hit 11's as it sits....My one buddy finally got into the 11's but this time he went with a 351 windsor after numerous attempts with couple different combos like 306, 331, 347 just to name a few....Also the reason he had some many different combos is cause something went wrong with each.....cracked a piston (HYPER) don't ask how.........oil pump drive rod.......head gaskets a couple of sets........So I would like to know what your basis is for your claim........

SOLID LIFTER

Not to be mean, but it sounds like your freind can't even bolt a motor togeather correctly, based on that fact I'm sure he won't be able to pick out a good combo of parts or tune the car properly. So you can't really go by the times that your freind is running

5.0mustang

1QWIKZ, your friend needs to stop trying so hard. All you need for mid to low 12s is a good suspension (the key), 306, GT-40 irons, Cobra intake, and all the other bolt-ons. This combo (nearly the same in all the cars I race against) send them anywhere from 11.90 to 12.50, and even some guys running 12.6s with the stock E7 heads (new valves). Stock parts will get you low 13s, to high 12s with bolt-ons!

1QWIKZ

Hahaha!!!! no offense taken but I used to think the same way but believe me he knows his **** about ford and he just happens to have bad luck with some parts I guess........But anyway there isn't any real basis for that guy to go 11's with what he has.....Especially just because it is a 331..........11's are not as easy to attain all motor as people think cause if that was the case everybody would be running the times..........Also I frequent Atco Raceway very often and have seen what most mustangs run and there isn't too many running 11's all motor and there is alot of fast street cars around here.......If your saying that he should be running 11's with a power adder then that is DEFINITELY believable.......

1QWIKZ

Wow! That makes alot of sense especially after reading your sig...It seems that you have a few bolt-ons but yet you only run 13.9!

Nic

Look at his combo...properly tuned he should easily be putting 350+ hp to the wheels. That has 11 second ET's written all over it.

Your friend has no clue what he's doing if he couldn't get a 347 into the 11's on motor.

A properly tuned 302 with alum. heads, custom cam, aftermarket intake + bolt-ons is going to put ~ 330 hp to the wheels and run low 12's/high 11's...take into consideration the fact that he's running 29 extra cubic inches and yea...mid 12's would be embarassing. I run that with a small off the shelf cam plus heads/intake.

1QWIKZ

Which brings me back to my statement again how do you figure?

If it's so easy then how come your not running in the 11's and you have heads, cam, and intake..........So what you are saying is that any 350 chevy should run 11's no prob with heads and intake? There is alot more to it then throwing together a motor you also have to put it to the ground......Also your statement doesn't hold true cause my brother has a 2000 Z28 and has been dynoed at 342 hp to the rear wheels and he only runs 12.4's......Look I'm not goin to have a pissing match with you but you must read too many magazine articles or listen to the wrong people cause I know his combo won't see 11's as he sits.....

5.0mustang

I never said me, but there actually is a car in my house with just an exhaust, gears, and pulleys running 13.3s! So yes they do with minor bolt-ons! I race in a Factory Stock class at Lebanon Valley Dragway (we used to run at Epping till they wanted the import series) and the fastest guy just went 11.9x at 110+ and I came in last! We had one car with stock heads, cam, intake, and displacement running 12.8-13.0, and a stock E5 headed car with a low rise intake, and carb running 12.7s!

You seem to think that these heads cam, and intake cars should be running what the Factory Stock guys are!!!

Hey Nic, GT-40 heads, Cobra intake, overbore and all the other bolt-ons are helping my friends put 290+ rwhp and running very low 12s all day long! I guess just because he knows a guy who works on Mustangs you should be an expert at what they "should" run!

As far as magazines go, who cares, I personally have driven these mysterious cars, and even ran the low 13s stock motor one at the track! I only went 13.58 at 100, but hey the car still exhists!

1QWIKZ

Ok let me clear this up for ya! My buddy has nothing to do with this plus he must know more then you 2 cause he is in the 11's.:eek I know plenty of guys who have ran similar combos and has yet to see 11's all motor and keep it streetable. And for the guy running low 12's w/290 hp I'm not doubting it, but what gear is he running nothing streetable for sure.....Also for the expert comment well I have been drag racing since 1990 so I think I know what most combos will do to an extent.....Also you and Nick make it sound so easy but yet you guys only run 13's not that I'm knocking you cause that's not a bad time for daily drivers....:

BigErns90IrocZ

I honestly do not know that much about Stangs, but what would he be putting down with that 331 and whatever mods he has.

Mustang5L5

I agree...that 331 should be a lot faster.

My friend has a '93 notchback. A 306 motor with ported 351iron heads, ported (lower only) GT-40 intake, Long tubes and exhaust and a few other goodies. I nearly **** a brick when he ran 13.3 @ 111MPH on street tires spinning into 4th gear. With a 125 shot, he was mid 11's with it.

Anyway that's not to say the LS1 driver is a good driver who will be mid 13's with ease. I've raced quite a few cocky 14 second LS1's at my local track.

5.0mustang

Okay just because he runs faster doesn't mean he knows more than anyone!

The guy running low 12s with those numbers has 4.10 gears, with a World Class T-5 (2.95 first gear) and drives the car to the track! The other guys running with him also drive on the street and have either 3.73s or 4.10s! Definately streetable!

I only run 13s because I am 17 and also have a 1995 Jeep to pay for! So before you start telling me about what I can and cannot do, why don't you realize that I have been driving for about a year now, and I am doing pretty good!

Nic

Go back and reread what I said..."A properly tuned 302 with alum. heads, custom cam, aftermarket intake + bolt-ons is going to put ~ 330 hp to the wheels and run low 12's/high 11's"

My car is:

1) Not properly tuned...it hits the rev limiter 1200' out and let's not even begin to talk about the A/F curve

2) has a small, off the shelf cam, not a custom ground cam.

3) won't come off the line for anything with the mismatched converter

I think it does pretty well, all things considered. We're expecting it to run 12.0's - 11.9's this spring once I get the converter loosened up to a true 3500 stall and Tim's brother works his magic with the Tweecer.

You're putting words into my mouth, now aren't you? You can't just slap any odd combination together and expect it to perform. The parts have to be properly matched, which N8's setup is.

Hey we agree on something.

What's his mph? How much does the car weigh? 342 rwhp will get a fox body well into the 11's. I've seen them run 10's with 380 rwhp @ a 3200 lbs.

As it sits...obviously, no it won't, but there's obviously something amiss with his tune as well. When I first got mine together, I couldn't get it out of the 14's, but after a few weeks of testing and tuning I finally got it down into the 12's on real street tires...not drag radials. There's no excuse for a h/c/i 331 powered fox body not to run 11's and be daily driveable. If I were you, I'd quit basing all my information off one buddy who has no idea how to build and tune a motor and do a little more research into the combinations of the thousands of Mustangs at drag strips all over the country. I spend the majority of my free time helping other stangers build/tune their combinations and have seen what the result can be, how about yourself?


I'd guestimate between 350 - 375 hp at the wheels depending on compression and cam specs.

rezinn

Guess what. Looks like I know jack about mustangs. I would have never guessed what you guys have said.

N8Miller

Well, to be honest, i think that is a fair #. my dad (who has a 428 Cobra jet motor in his Fairlane), loves the motor and swears it s a "Beast." I laugh.

The car is not tuned yet. after tuning, i would say that my goal is 350-375 to the wheels N/A.

As for the guy who said 12's would be embarrasing: Driving is key. also, you have to make that relevant to every track. Lets say i got to some amazing track down south (or anywhere or that matter), i might get a 2.05 60'......but lets your at my local drag strip and you can only pull a 2.2 60'.

Also, suspension is key too. you can make a car that will put out 400rwhp, but with a stock suspension, that 11sec car, might be a 13 second let down.


But back to the topic--yeah, im gonna race that SS in the spring. Heres what im thinking: get him off the line and HES gotta catch ME---until about 100mph. If he gets ME off the line, i gotta out drive that copper and hope that he shifts to early or late, etc etc.

1QWIKZ

First off!!!!! I'm NOT BASING my info off of my buddy so get off of it!

Secondly!!!!!!!!!I would love to see all of these N/A mustangs that are all over the country running 11's all day.......Yes there is some out there but not as many as you think.........And since you know that these cars are out there then send them to Atco so I can see em' or English town for that matter cause YOU know squat in my eyes!!!!!!Look at the new Cobra they have to be close too 330 hp to the rear wheels and they don't run 11's so like I said your info sucks and you haven't proved anything!

PS How many head gaskets have all these 11 second daily drivers gone thru?

Nic

5.0mustang

Not very many at all. Whay don't you head up to Lebanon valley Dragway at the next MHRA event to see quite a few N/A 11 second cars! There will be about 10 or so, and a few with not very big parts on them, just 306s!

So I guess since you don't see them everyday they don't exhist! I just so happen to have worked on a few!

85transamtpi

The moral of the story...

ET = traction and tuning. All the parts of the car need to work together properly (converter/gear/cam/intake/heads/etc.) to find your best ET.

(or at least thats my $.02)

-Doug

Tater13150

We're talking about FOX bodies..they are much lighter. it doesnt take as much power as lets say, an F-body to get in the 12's/11's.

5.0mustang

Right, plus the new Cobras have the IRS which is much harder at the track to launch, than a live axle car. The Fox rear is set-up with a 4-link design making it very easy to get good 60's. A good set of lower and upper control arms, shocks, and removing the quad shocks will net 1.7 60's with very little add-ons and sticky tires. That is why Mustansg making 240-260 rwhp are running 12s!

1QWIKZ

Whatever! You guys run 13's ENOUGH said I'm done with this he said she said ****!

Whenever you guys are in the Jersey area look me up so I can see your sickening fast bone stock 10 sec. rides!

Nic

Easy on the crack pipe junior.

5.0mustang

Hey, one of those infamous low 12 second LXs lives in Jersey! He has a 306, Cobra intake, GT-40 irons, 70mm tbody, 73 C&L, 30lb inhectors, roller rockers, and a full exhaust. He runs 12.4-12.6 on drag radials. If you want to run him next spring I am sure he would! I am not sure where in Jersey he lives, but I could find out!

Looks like somebody was proven wrong and can't admit it! Go ahead and call BS, but come up to LVD next season at any MHRA event and I will prove you wrong in person!

Hey come to my house in CT and see an infamous low 13, stock motor 5.0!

I'll give you a glimpse!

5.0mustang

That one went 13.3 at 101!

5.0mustang

Heres a N/A list from Corral.

1.) 10.28 @ 134...kim....460/3300?/auto/carb
2.) 10.32 @ 133...Sprayn383...383/3190/c4/carb
3.) 10.39 @ 130...todd..347/2750/5spd/carb
4.) 10.42 @ 132...redrumpony...408/2850/auto/carb
5.) 10.45 @ 127...Raceallday1..393/2900/auto/carb
6.) 10.52 @ 128...TC89LX...408/3350/auto/carb
7.) 10.68 @ 124.5..spacecaptan..408C/3200/auto/carb
8.) 10.77 @124...GMSUX...377/3100/auto/fi
9.)10.84 @124...jeoff88Coupe...347/3150/5spd/fi
10.)10.87 @ 123...Mystic96SVT...306/3130/5spd/fi
11.)10.94 @ 125.9...JohnVH...351/2915/auto/carb
12.)10.98 @ 124...SLOW5.0...357/3100/auto/fi
13.)11.00 @ 124...long stroke...408/3380/5spd/fi
14.)11.05 @ 124.7...NotchDave...393/3150/5spd/fi
15.)11.09 @ 121.9...jchambers...306/3200/auto/carb
16.)11.15 @ 125...P302stang...332/3100/5spd/carb
17.)11.15 @ 120.9...Dave308...308/2940/5spd/carb
18.)11.16 @ 119...Kat...393/3220/auto/carb
19.)11.19 @121...93lx11sNA...306/3100/5spd/fi
20.)11.22 @ 122...drdremal...302/3000/5spd/carb
21.)11.30 @ 119.9...EricFischer...347/3150/auto/fi
22.)11.32 @ 119.5...wnsrpwrd...357/3350/5spd/fi
23.)11.34 @ 121...Mike9350...402/3600/auto/f
24.)11.34 @ 121...Juicedbusa...347/3325/5spd/fi
25.)11.36 @ 123...Boss330...330/3300/5spd/fi
26.)11.36 @ 119.5...Jimmc...351/3150/5spd/fi
27.)11.48 @ 117.2...Andrew...348/3145/5spd/fi
28.)11.54 @ 119.1...ROG30Y...347/3115/5spd/fi
29.)11.56 @ 118.8...blk88...306/3000/5spd/carb
30.)11.56 @ 108...chrisa351...357/3250/auto/carb
31.)11.59 @ 115.5...fs6116...306/3200/5spd/fi
32.)11.61 @ 119.8...Camara77...347/3200/5spd/fi
33.)11.62 @ 118...chris oconner...331/3140/5spd/fi
34.)11.63 @ 119...79pacecarmod...331/3100/auto/carb
35.)11.64 @ 118...302KILU...302/3150/5spd/fi
36.)11.64 @ 116.5...ultraflo...306/3100/4spd/fi
37.)11.64 @ 116.2...88bullet...306/3150/5spd/fi
38.)11.67 @114.6...BobCosby...281/3300/5spd/fi
39.)11.71 @ 113.9...93lxcoupe...306/3150/5spd/fi
40.)11.74 @ 119.4...N/A3FORTY7...347/3200/5spd/carb
41.)11.77 @ 117.1...NEALSTANG...347/3300/5spd/fi
42.)11.77 @ 116...JT Racin...302/3000/5spd/fi
43.)11.77 @ 115...Jesse H...302/3200/5spd/fi
44.)11.78 @ 115.1...Glenn...302/3050/5spd/fi
45.)11.79 @ 118.7...93lx306...342/3200/5spd/fi
46.)11.80 @ 114...perky...302/3100/auto/fi
47.)11.80 @ 113...comecorrect...351/3100/aut/carb
48.)11.81 @ 116.1...ERstettin...302/3200/5spd/fi
49.)11.82 @ 114.2...Chuck98GT...306/3000/auto/fi
50.)11.83 @114.8...jonx15...306/3150/5spd/fi

JAY87GTA

Hey, if ya want to see the dyno numbers on a H/I/C 5.0 go to www.fl-thirdgen.org and look at the dyno results page. It's my buddy Scott's car, runs high 11's off the bottle. We drove it 70 miles to Orlando for the dyno, and it has run a best of 11.31@122+ on the juice. Stock original bottom end in the car, 119,000 miles. It's got one of the new T-5 tremecs in it. He has a pile of timeslips, at least 150, probably 200. First time it ever broke since he's had it it broke the spider gears in the rearend during the burnout. Second time it broke we were T&Ting at a local 1/8th track and the juice kicked in when it was on the 2 step. Big backfire and the shock jarred the pilot bearing out of the crank. Had it running again 2 days later. All this is on the original AUTOMATIC computer that came in the car! Imagine what it would do with a proper tune.
If you are in central Fl this winter let me know, you can see it run. I also have to agree with Nic and the 5.0 guys. That 331 is not running anywhere near it's potential.

ChillPhatCat

:rockon: 5.0 you brought it!

Look at the 302 which was putting out 200+ hp back in the 80s and Ford's engineers weren't breaking a sweat. It took chevy several years just to catch up, then Ford stuck with the 302 while chevy stepped up with the LT1 and then LS1... when the mustang was left in the dust.

The problem is that the 302 has always been a winning combination... it was awesome back in the 60's with the Camaro... then chevy wussed out.

The 302 is high revving, the 305 is low revving and doesn't have much of a stroke... it's overall crap. The reason the 350 can just beat out the 302 is because it has that 4" bore... much like the 302... but in a lower revving package.

I don't know any numbers here, but it has been widely accepted that the 302 is a stellar design.

Don't neglect the fact that most fox's are <3000 lbs.

ChillPhatCat

5.0 did that cap come stock on the distributer? I've never seen such a thing

Nic

lol, that's the first thing I pull off on every 5.0 I buy.

5.0mustang

That is how stock his motor is! The only thing on the motor that had been changed at that time was plugs, and headers!

The boot is always removed, because it can get some moisture trapped in it (so I have heard) and that can cause issues!

Mines gone!

ArcticLS1

I raced a guy with your set up with me spraying, i ran him and left him like he was standing still..... He got nitrous to and came back, he said he had a 150 shot to my 100shot.. I still walked him all the way up from a 40mph roll to 130ish by like 2 cars spray to spray.... We ran motor to motor and we are pretty close... When he first got his nitrous kit he tried useing a 200shot on me and messed something up, then he came back with a smaller shot, hehe...

All i know about his car is thats its a 331 with a 150shot, gears, nittos, full exhaust and whatever.... Personially, id be very upset if a built my motor from the bottom up, and it got beat that bad by a stock LS1 with a 100shot....

But the SS could run anywhere from a 12.9-13.5 and trap from anywhere to 104-108 if that helps..... Stock i run 13.2s on street tires...

N8Miller

i know that this is gonna be a good race on motor.

Theoreticly....i should pounce on him good. i got about 400lbs and some HP (depends if car is tuned by then).
I think that my only downfall is that i have the 4.10s and they arent exactly top end gears. so, when we race, it better to be about like 110 tops!!! after that, hes gonna pull like a SOB and walk me out the track.

If i spray on him----it shouldnt be close. maybe 2-4 cars depending on how much i shoot.

keep in mind though, hes a big mouth that still lives with mommy, so maybe he hasnt gotten the oppertunity to really learn how to drive that car. Just because you own a fast car-----doesnt mean you know how to DRIVE it. and being a cop, he cant go around ripping it up like us hoodlums.

ArcticLS1

I knwo a couple cops that might be the biggest street racers around, all have Fbodies to... hehe...