Vicious 88 GTA

I was coming back from Antojito's Yoli's with a stomach full of fajitas and my GF in the passneger seat and this black RS Camaro and a White RS Camaro are reving me....they must have been buddies or something...they both had Blowmaster Mufflers and K&N stickers...so I think to myself.."twins"...well its a 3 lane road and I am in the right lane...and the other Camaros are in the other two lanes...so I get pretty excited and wait for the geen light because the black camaro sounded really lopey...so I thought to myself....someone has a cam!....so I stall to about 1100 RPM and when the light went green I jumped on it....and the white RS dropped out of sight....and the Black one and I were dead even because I was still burning tire and about half way through first I was passing him burning tire.....I hit second and walked him easy.....I pull into the gas station cause I can hear my fuel pump making that wheeeee noise when I'm low on fuel....and he pulls up behind me and I am expecting some fight or something...and he says damn thats a GTA...and I said yeah.....and I asked him to pop the hood and he did and I looked over it and there was no 305 TBI.....I asked hey man what you runnin...and he says....a .30 over 350 polished heads and a high engergy cam with and holley double pumper...hooker longtube headers and flows and " negative traction" as he put it, I also asked about the white RS and he said that was his cousin and he had a 305 TBI with headers and flowmaster....and he asked....what you got and I popped the hood and I showed him the L98 and told him about the ported plenum and superchip prom and the 3.27 Posi out back.....he asked what I was running and I said around the mid 14's and he said he is at a low 15 high 14's...well we shook hands and off he went...at the same time I see my buddy in his GAGT and the white camaro reving up at each other at the light.....but I didn't want to see the race and I went in and paid for gas.....AARON

MdFormula350

cool good story!

good wins!!

maroon91rs

Those 2 phrases DONT belong in the same sentence together.His car must be horribly out of tune,or else hes just a dumbass that doesnt know how to put together a small block .Anyways good race.But I think he shoulda won.

BRIrocZ

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Well, the guy did say "negative traction". Maybe he just sucks that bad. Anyway, nice kills.

Rockhound

he must have the crappiest gears and tranny known to man

Vicious 88 GTA

just like everyone else....I was pretty dissapointed....what would have happened if a RlCER came his way and wanted to race and the ***** was in the low 15's.....I mean...that poor camaro...it could be soo much better....I am thinking of starting a third gen club here but I don't know.....I am thinking of selling the GTA to by another S10 Blazer....I saw my old 85 S10 Blazer with the tricked out 350 the other day...the guy put new heads and a better tranny along with a some 3.42's and some headers on my old Blazer..Man I missed the way that thing would rumble with the dualed out Flowmaster 40's....man that thing would make the deepest mellowed sound I heard around here...I mean heck when he gave it some gas next to me I nearly fell back in love....but one thing I won't miss is the sh*tty handeling....my GTA handles awesome and I'm sure when I get it up to speed in a couple months...I won't think about the Blazer again.....AARON

CrashStitches

Even if he just STANDS on it from an idle, he shouldn't be in the 15's. Did he give a MPH? Maybe he was just bullsh!tting you....

V6camaroman

good races and nice kills. yea its cool when u race someone then after the race u meet at a gas station or somethin to check each others cars out and no one has any probs with each other.

CamaroFreak406

Why do you have to rip on the stock RS's? My RS stock and would rip your stock GTA to shreds dude (see sig). Plus those two RS's weren't even stock and from the sounds of it the black one should have beatin' you.

Now come on and quit it with the picking on RS's, however you can continue picking on V-6's (non TTA's) and 305 TBI.

Just couldn't let the RS bashing continue.

Later, Garrett

curt86iroc

just hope you dont run into a "stock" B4C RS.

Vicious 88 GTA

look, like I said in my last post about RS's....there are alot of them around town and they mess with the wrong people...just ebcause they have a V8 they think its fast!!! I mean hey they came lookin for it...I mean hell I run some LB9's and L98's but there aren't too many around here....but when the opportunity comes I go for it..I mean I even raced a new 03 Mustang and I admit I lost....and lost to a 305 5 Speed LB9 because I didn't shift into second.....but..we went at it again and I won.....AARON

Mark A Shields

Guess, I'm one big dumbass, it sucks havin a 350 runnin 15s, lol. That will all change come warmer weather when I can finish installin the goodies.

Jokerman

Please stop picking on us RS owners. We aren't all jack asses that think that because its a V8 and goes vroom, that its the fastest thing out there. The only things i bother with are **** boys that pick on me and i know are still in that golden 18 second speed demon range, or cars that are so insanely fast compared to my car that its funny. (just wanna see em run, heck i raced a 99-00 SS camaro 6sp just to see it go) An rs is not any less deserving of the camaro badge as any other third gen. SO you ran into a few dumbasses we aren't all that way.

Vicious 88 GTA

i take back my dumba$$ coment....AARON

zupmanZ28

yeah but just think how boring it would be if no one ever tried to race ya.... don't know wbout you but i'd rather turn down a race than not be offered at all....

Eric

maroon91rs

Once again Vicious Im going to back you up on this one.CamaroFreak is obviously confused,judging by this statementRS's ARE V6 and 305 TBI's,unless they are modded.As I said in your other kill post,I would challenge you any day and anywhere.NOT because I think Im fast or I think I can beat you,but because its FUN to race with a fellow thirdgenner.Sure you have my car by a second and a half in the quarter.Do I care?NO.I just like having fun and racing people,even if they can beat me.And any of you RS owners that whine about what Vicious is doing,grow up.Go race the honduhs and kia's that youre soooo proud of beating.But you will obviously never know the feeling of getting whooped on by a faster car,then wanting your car to be that fast.Its what drives us to mod and make our cars quicker.Its the people like Vicious that do "waste their time" on us slower people.Its all in good fun,so STOP WHINING!!!

CamaroFreak406

maroon91rs, did you read the freakin' post or not. And yes I will line you up with my stock RS and rip your car to shreds. If you reread my first post you will see why.
I said I wanted everyone to continue to rip on V-6's and 305 TBI true and that's fine, however I didn't want anyone to rip on TTA v-6's. But my bone stock '91 RS doesn't have either motor in it and I'm telling the entire truth, and I can prove it if you so desire.

And again Vicious I will race you with my stock '91 RS and you might edge me, but not by much and your not stock and I am!!

And obviously maroon91rs your must be confused and not sure what your talking about judging from this comment.

get the facts dude!

Later, Garrett

CamaroFreak406

Actually Vicious now that I read your mods, You probably wouldn't beat me with my STOCK RS. Does no one else here understand what I'm getting at?
Vicious I'm not trying to get you mad at me just maroon91rs, actually I'm not trying to get him mad at me either, I just know that he is wrong .
Later, Garrett

383backinblack

hehe try picking on my 91 RS.... :rockon:

BRIrocZ

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Can't we all just get along guys?

I had my a$$ handed to me by an RS last week at the track. Only thing is, it was '87FAKE-IROC-Z's SuperRam AFR head '88.

GTSR

Just so you know: B4C RS stock--either 5.0 tpi 5-speed or 5.7 tpi 4-speed automatic, 3.42 rear with 5.0, 3.23 with 5.7, 4 wheel disc brakes, oil cooler, and trans cooler. It would hand a stock Z28 its ***.

Damn, those police get all the good stuff.

IROCThe5.7L

My buddys got a 92 B4C and that thing is freakin quick! Hangs/Beats LT1's.

BRIrocZ

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Um, what is it that makes a B4C so much faster than a Z28? The lack of the wing and hood blisters? I always thought both cars had the same drivetrain. I could see a good race but no *** handing between the two. And hell, I could hang with LT1's when I was stock.

HrdRockA4305

Hey, you never know. I've had a Z28 with a 4bbl, 350, long tubes, and true duals race me and loose to my 305. From a roll. But, I won't say who it belongs to, kinda a sore subject to bring up. He hates to admit it and always tries to say "I was just messing around" even though he initiated it a bunch of times over and over, and even tried racing me downhill. Lesson learned, don't buy auto zone or advance auto parts lmotors. I forgot which it was.

RedFirebird

I can sum it up in 3 letters: T B I

383backinblack

hehehe, exactly.....

when i pulled the TBI motor out of my car, i flung it down the hill with the bobcat, then i kicked it

Vicious 88 GTA

so I hear all this talk about B4C's and searched but couldn't find any diffrence...what is the diffrence? and about hanging with LT1's..yeah my GTA can do the same....this Friday I am gonna run against a buddy of mine in a 4 door GTP...real nice..I have a feeling I am gonna lose this one...not by much by I will lose...AARON

B4C Hawaii

I would love that.

B4C Hawaii

Thank you.

B4C Hawaii

Wrong again!

Vicious 88 GTA

I don't understand why alot of people got out of hand in this thread...I mean for G0Ds sake I was just saying how I have been racing alot of RS camaros lately.....I mean sure one day I will get caught by suprise and lose to an RS..but no matter what I am still going to race just to have fun...as long as the strip is clear....and about the B4C's....they have 3.23's with a 5.7, 4 wheel disc brakes, oil cooler, and trans cooler...I got 4 wheel disc brakes, 3.27's, Aluminum driveshaft, oil cooler, and a tranny cooler by Thursday night....I have the same stuff....big deal...AARON

ATOMonkey

Ok, just because he says he has a port and polish 355 doesn't mean that it was ported well. If he doesn't have a good converter then that big cam is just slowing him down. Trust me, I know. The slush box that I'm running is absolutely killing me.

That said, you chevy guys need to stop complaining and step up with us big boys and buy a Poncho!

B4C Hawaii

That is about the only difference, mine also has the 1LE brakes stock. The B4C is about .5 sec quicker in the 1/4 mile than my old '92 Z28 5.7L with the same setup, Why? I don't know. Maybe GM did something else to these cars I don't know about, they were never available to the general public though some slipped through. My old '92 Z28 was quick and I had a few mods, but the B4C was quicker without the mods. Weird.

Vicious 88 GTA

You know I was thinking...I remember her buying her camaro and she ordered a police package at Robbins Chevrolet in Houston....was that possible? I was thinking...the police cars have reprogrammed ECM's don't they...maybe thats why they were faster, they have custom proms and stuff of that sort....AARON

BRIrocZ

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Some cars are just flat out stronger than others, I'm sure everyone knows that. A friend of mine has the exact same car as I do, same year, same options, same crappy 2.77's, and I ran .5sec and 2mph faster than him when we were both stock.

Vicious 88 GTA

I ran a 89 Gunmetal Grey GTA with a B2L L98 and the only diffrence is that he has a Flowmaster Muffler and I have some no name turbo muffler and a hole in my y pipe and I still beat him...must have sucked, his wife was in the car....AARON

383backinblack

someone did a comparison of identical iroc z's one time, i cant remember where i read it.....

but all were 5.0 tpi cars with the 700 r4 and identical gearing etc.

i think it was out of 20 cars, 3 were considerably faster than the rest, 4 were alot slower, and the rest were around the same in the middle. there were so many manufacturing variances back then that some of these cars were just put together better and ran a little bit quicker than seemingly identical cars

CamaroFreak406

Well I think it's a little more than chance that my '91 B4C is a lot faster than other stock '91 Z's and so is B4CHawaii 's B4C. And yes I do think that the B4C had a different ECM, that would explain the difference.
Later, Garrett

B4C Hawaii

I realize this is dragging out, but I have also talked with other B4C owners and they also say there cars are faster, one guy said he did high 13's stock? (I don't know about that) Maybe there is something in the ECM/PROM ETC. I don't know but since these were police vehicles who really knows.

383backinblack

i bet there is alot of variation among the b4c's too....it would be interesting to test a bunch of them

CamaroFreak406

Good Luck finding a bunch of them . 592 built in '91, 589 built in '92.
Later, Garrett

383backinblack

well ya, but to get a good sample youd only need 15 or 20 of them

BRIrocZ

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If you guys really want to test your eprom theory, swap chips with a Z28 and see if there are any gains. I say both cars use the exact same eprom. Someone would've said something about it by now and we'd all be looking for B4C eproms instead of the aftermarket junk ones.

B4C Hawaii

Be nice to dyno some to, maybe more HP (I doubt it) but who knows. I have had 2 1992 Z28's 5.7 Auto's and an 89 IROC 5.7L
and now this B4C. Here are some 1/4 times with all cars.

1992 Z28#1: 14.71@97 MPH (free mods)
1992 Z28#2: 14.79@98 MPH (free mods)
1989 IROC: 14.75@97 MPH (free mods)

1992 RS B4C 5.7L: 14.31@101 MPH (all stock, without SLP exhaust)
I put 14.4 in my sig, have not run with mods yet.


As you can see the B4C was significiantly quicker on the same track in the same conditions with the same driver. and the rest were good to but close to each other. kinda weird.

BRIrocZ

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Man, all of those cars are extremely strong for their mods or lack there of. Must be that hawaiian air. What were your 60' times on those runs?

IROCThe5.7L

Well I dunno what makes a B4C so much better, but my buddies with the STOCK paper air filters, and cat back exhaust ran a 13.8. No

CamaroFreak406

OK Aaron this is true but the '91 and '92 B4C's have 245hp and 345 tq and you only have 225hp and 325tq (Firebird is less due to intake design, not sure if I beleive that though, I'm not a firebird guy).
So my stock RS and all like mine would beat you, 20hp and 20tq is a big deal in my book.

But yes Vicious I will agree with you there are a lot of guys out there in their stock V-6 or TBI 305 cars that think their fast, well I give you props, go and wax them but just watch out for us B4C guys!!!

Later, Garrett

CamaroFreak406

Sorry Repost

Later, Garrett

BRIrocZ

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Yeah, watch out for those 80-100 B4C's in the entire HUGE state of Texas!

GTSR

I found the best way to deal with some racers is to make them look stupid. If I see some high schooler pull up in their RS or whatever (don't ask me why it's usually the ones full of kids) to my left at a stoplight do this.

Wait till they're even with you then turn on your right turn signal so they can't see. When the light turns green watch them floor it and just see how far they get before they notice you turned right. To add dramatic effect you can do a small burn out--that usually adds at least 200 feet till they notice.

It beats wasting gas on them.

Although if their girlfriend is there--waste em.