ChrisFormula355

Hey you asked for it.....heheh


When your car makes over 400HP and 420+ lb/tq, along with a high stall converter, steep gears and hockey puck tires, there is no such thing as "learning to launch." Its more like waiting till 50mph till you punch it. Not exactly "launching" in my book. So once again that turns the argument back into who's spent their money where. If you don't have money in the tires/suspension, their just won't be any street launches for you, period. Unless you car doesn't have enough wheaties to incinerate cheap tires under 50 mph. Case and point: Nina's trans am used to have a 305 with a cam intake and exhaust. With 3.42 and a peg leg, it pulled 2.1/2.09 60 ft's all day long with junkyard C&J tires at the track. Why??? Because it didnt' make enough power to blow the tires off!

If one more person tells me i need to learn how to launch my firebird, I'm gonna kick em da NUTZ and I'm gonna ask them when's the last time their motor made over 400HP, car weighed less than 3,000 pounds, their tires were dry rotted to ****, and their stall AND gears were more than stock.......Oh you've never driven a car in such condition?? Kthxbye

MrDude_1

ok. how about.....

fix your car, get some non dry rotted tires and learn to launch.

and yes. i have owned a car that had 14" steelie dry rotted tires, made over 450 ftlbs of TQ weighed in at a heavy 3400lbs and and had a stall. it ran high 12s.

same motor.
same suspension
diffrent tires and more experiance netted me consistant high 11s with a mid 11 best. only other mod then that was a lil tweeking on the carb.. and that was only after i was in the 11s.

face it. saying you cant launch because of dry rotted tires is like saying i cant accelerate because its a L03... fix the problem.

Synapsis

All the times I told you to learn to launch the car, I thought you had better tires. Man, you have 520 treadwear tires! Now instead of learning to launch, you need to.... learn to buy better tires!

Synapsis

Gee, it'd be nice to be able to edit posts....




BTW Chris, you still owe me a drive in the Firebird.

MrDude_1

sure i can.

fix the track.

MrDude_1

someone post somthing else.


im having fun arguing.

pasky

You dirty post *****.

MrDude_1

im not really a post ***** here. theres not really any threads you can *****, plus theres the whole tech only thing.

to truly see my postwhoreism in action, goto www.3rdgen.org and click my name (MrDude_1) to see my post count. prepare for sticker shock.

ChrisFormula355

3,000 versus 3,400 = 400 pounds of TRACTION!! Weight makes a HUGE difference in traction. Example: I have a nearly identicle motor that my friend Vadim's defunct firebird had. We weighed the same, had the same gearing, ran about the same 1/4 mile times. On the street he'd spin just as bad as me. Well one day he had it in his mind to take apart his firebird and swap his motor into a 59 Pontiac that weighed around 3,900. Now with the SAME exact motor in his firebird he couldn't hookup under 50mph without slicks, but in his Pontiac, with STOCK 14inch rims and whitewall tires, and STEEPER 4.11 gears and high stall....he can stall that **** up and launch it with virtually NO tire spin.

Weight and distribution makes all the difference. Some cars are just too light and too torquey and cannot hook without slicks or drag radials.

jocww

its not that i dont know how to drive our sting ray its that when you drive one that has a 427 with some nice 7 in tires you do what you gotta do you learn that a clutch isnt that hard to replace hwen your having fun. also i use dot fluid when i race on the track dont know aobut u guys but it keeps my 60 ft times in the 1.6 1.7s all day long

B4Ctom1

haha! thats what I thought you would say. As for the rest of you guys harping about tire types, torque levels, and gear ratios I repeat:

^^^ I'm talking about at the street races ^^^

CrazyHawaiian

Different strokes for Different folks. Some guys just aren't into 1/4 mile racing. Thus they do not mod their cars for optimal 1/4 mile performance. Deal with it. Also, I dont consider Drifting a race. Its a show of skill. Even when battling (which contains some elements of racing like line and placement) I dont consider it racing. It should never be compared to forms of grip racing. But I dont think that says anything less of drifting. It still requires a high ammount of skill. Anyone that tells you otherwise is either a professional D1 drifter or they have never tried to truely drift. Remember, just because the tires are spinning dosnt mean you're drifting. Drifting is maintaining a controlled state of oversteer. You enter the turn in an oversteered state (begin the slide 30ft before the turn?), you take the turn in an oversteered state, and you exit the turn in an oversteered state. Then the object is to connect the next turn without regaining traction and do it again. Keep doing this until you navigate an entire roadcourse. Its not as easy as it sounds. Sure that may not "tickle the pickle" of some of the hardcore grip racers out there, but it is fun and it does require car control skills. Gripping into a turn and powersliding out is not drifting. Neither is fishtailing or burning out. Sorry. Doughnuts are considered drifting if you can maintain the slide around an object (and not spin out), but that is step 1 for beginners getting into the sport, and not really hard to do at all. So dont think "oh man drifting is easy" just because you can do a doughnut. When you can enter turns in an oversteered state at higher speeds than you would all out grip roadracing and maintain controlled oversteer into the next turn and you dont crash or spin out then you can say "oh man drifting is easy".

MrDude_1

its a 3rdgen right?
so first you tell me that you cant launch because your tires suck

and now you're saying im faster because i weigh more.... in a car with the same chassis... this isnt pickup truck(elky?) Vs chevelle here.. they're the same damn car, only i have AC, power windows, ect.

ok i'll lay down the list.

learn to tune your chassis.
figure out what its doing.
figure out what it needs.
replace the ****ty parts like the tires
THEN...... learn to launch.

another option to get your car to 60' good is the driver mod. i hear that can be worth ALOT.





edit: or you could keep making excuses
it would have been better to say "the car isnt setup for drag launches" instead you made lame excuses "tires suck... weight is wrong... too much torque...i had to pee...ect"

MrDude_1

its easy.

jocww

are you refering to me

BadBowtie88

This guy has the closest thing to sanity on this entire thread, and noone even noticed it... There is alot of very critical people on this board. I mean wow guys. This is bad. Attacking one another about how to set up THEIR cars b/c YOU don't think they can.(not attacking anyone personally, just saying) What if they don't have the money and have to race with what they got? Chill out guys... For those who haven't seen my sig:

"If we all built what everyone else said we should build, we would all have everyone else's car, and nothing of our own."

I'm not perfect by any means, but let's not bash each other's cars. I can't believe this isn't locked yet.

Redballboy

all i gotta say is if you drive a car with a lot of power and dont put some nice tires and suspension then

Njspeed

Racing from a stop is i think a better test of which car is faster but i race from a roll on the time its just easier when you see a car on the highway and theres no stop lights around. I think its dumb when people will ONLY race from a roll but w/e i race anyway i can its all in good fun id race in reverse if somone asked

pasky

ChrisFormula355

Driver mod?? Thats a joke, I've probably seen more actual track time in the last year than you've done in your entire life. Funny I must be the WORST driver, because a 1.70 60 ft on slicks with no posi was all I could muster without so much as a burnout to warm up the slicks. Nevermind the fact that I pulled a 7.70 1/8 mile.

Its plain and simple, I don't need to "make excuses" to anybody. I like the car the way it is, if it spins a lot on the street, who ****ing cars, I'll just race from a roll instead. and if somebody REALLY wants to race from a stop on the street, I'll go throw on my slicks. Not everybody can afford to slap on a set of $300 tires to tear up daily driving to work. **** that. I'll just have to settle for my 1.7 track 60 fts and buy some decent street tires WHEN I CAN AFFORD IT!!

DeathStarr89

iTrader: (1)

i get spanked off the line cause of my gearing, if i go from a rolling start even about 1-2 sec off of a dead stop in 1st i can put the power to the ground. even at the strip, i usually give myself a sec or so to get moving and get the RPM's up before i dump it.

1800 stall+TH400+3.23 LSD= really bad combo


all that will change soon enough tho

Inwo

This thread is going in circles and starting to take a turn for the worse.

Everyone has their own opinions on what racing is and some people have their cars set up for things other than drag racing, yea imagine that! Don't forget the road racing heritage of the F-body in the trans am series.