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I know it is probably stupid to ask, but there is a crew running around here that are cocky.....I know one guy running low 7's and another mid 6's in the 1/8th.....is there really anyway to beat these guys?

I just hate them.....

stu

There sure is. I've been watching videos of turbo Mustangs hanging with and beating crotch rockets all day thanks to my cousin discovering how to use the internet. lol

rocluvr0013

Yeah buy a Ducati

84firebird383

My car runs low 7's in the 1/8.Leeperryracings car should handle mid 6's no problem ,same with 87_TA's car.IHI car could run hi 6's to low 7's SNKSKINNER(i think thats how he spells it)can also run low 7's to hi 6's and then he has a 200 shot to add if he wants.All of these cars are street cars and could hange with or beat the average crotch rocket.

flaming-ford

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yah but, your talking highly modified sbc motors vs a stock
(or close to) crotch rocket with people who probably aren't the best riders.

Go try to compare a modified crotch rocket to your modded car (it won't be a pretty out come for the car).

Tellya the truth it's just not fair to compare...... Your talking a 400-500 lb bike with over 50ft lb of torque and 100hp+ depending on kind of crotch even closer to 200hp on something that has like 1/6 our weight . Gotta love crotch rockets after you drive 1.

Anyways i'll agree with the other guy, go buy a ducatti hehe.

TexasLT1

yeah, go buy a supra.

ShiftyCapone

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Bikes are insane. A co-worker of mine took his stock huyabusa to the track and clicked off a 10.24 @ 138mph on his first run. You would have to properly build a drag car to beat an average crotch rocket.

TexasLT1

a Huyabusa isn't exactly your typical crotch rocket.

IROCThe5.7L

I believe he has taken out a few bikes in the area already.

urbanhunter44

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A Huyabusa is probably the fastest straight line bike there is, but I'd take an R1 or an R6 over it in the twisties.

Bikes are incredibly fast, but not unbeatable. For their full potential to be taken advantage of, you need a good rider. Alot of guys just jump on a liter bike and expect to be fast, when in reality they should have started smaller and will end up being squids and killing themselves.

You can see this pretty plainly in shiftys response, (whether or not it was his friends first bike I dont know) that you need some practice to take your bike to it's full potential. A 138 mph trap speed is good for better than a 10.2.

ShiftyCapone

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I agree completely but even the lowest powered of today's crotch rockets seem to have no problem clicking off low 12's with a mediocre driver. Quarter mile racing against a vehicle of that caliber takes a serious car. However, high speed racing is different as in many cars can hold their own against bikes that would murder them in the 1/4. As speed increases the aerodynamic loses of a bike as are exponentially higher than most sports cars. Most videos of cars that you see beating bikes are at speeds greater than what is achieved in a normal 1320ft drag.

IROCThe5.7L

Same thing goes for cars too imo.

90Formula305

A bone stock cbr600rr will run a 10.50 around 125-128. I know cause ive ridden a few of them. Scariest bike i rode though was a 95 cbr900rr with a 929 motor swapped into it. I usually dont race a car though if im on bike, waste of my time. When i was living in florida I was taking a ride down to Key West, this 5.0 comes flying up the on ramp. In the lane next to him is a guy on a brand new (at the time) GSXR-750, mustang drops a gear and nails it, he shifted two more times while the guy on the bike just kept rolling on the throttle, stayed in his gear and just stared at him while he kept right along side. Then he pulled away by about 30 car lengths.

subliminal

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Sure there is cut them off when they try to pass you I keed, I keed!

84firebird383

What bikes are capable of and what they actually do at the track are not the same. Spend some time at the track and you will see.Rarely can some one buy a bike off the show room floor and take it to the track and run what the magazines run with them.Also not every crotch rocket you see is going to be a brand new top of the line 9 second machine.Yes all of them are fast, some insanely fast and in general have no problems with cars as they shouldn't.But to think that its impossible for any bike to ever run into a streetcar that is as fast or faster is crazy.There are several cars and even a truck I know of that drive regularly on the street and are never trailored to the track that can run with most if not any bike they run into.I was just talking to a guy at work today that has a cbr929.He was telling me about his friend with a yamaha r6 that runs an 11.4.He couldn't believe it when I showed him a few 11.2 and 11.3 timeslips from my stock looking firebird.

Orr89RocZ

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you can beat them... its not hard.. u just need alot of hp

obviously

lol

a nearly 900rwhp viper can take on a stock busa... and loses a few cars over 160mph against a lightned/exhaust busa.

a full big bore kit, wieght reduction kit, tune/exhaust on a busa is about as fast a bike that u might see. 900rwhp viper gets blown away against those bikes.

now there are TURBO and nitrous'd bikes that make 200-500whp. those are nearly impossible to beat in a car. but has been done.

your looking at over 1000hp on motor, in a 3000lb car to have a chance with turbo or nitroused bikes

stu

Keep in mind that the fastest drag bikes are still slower than the fastest drag cars. Not that it matters.

Der91Z

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LoL. Its one of main goals with mine right now to hunt some 1000cc bikes in 2006. New turbo setup is here and needs to go on this spring. Anyway, to beat a older 600cc sport bike doesn't take that much work. If you're pushing around 450whp or so, you should be able to beat a older 600cc on a highway roll especially when you get up in speed. The newer 600's is a different question as many of those are in the 10's and trapping over 125mph.

TopleZZ candy

Also keep in mind it takes A LOT of money to build an 800 hp viper.....supra...or watever else to even come close to an $8,000 dollar street bike.

and yes expierence counts both ways.....in a cage or a bike

hot92z

http://www.gtphorsepower.com/TTA-vs-supra.avi


Build something like one of these and you will be good to go

Der91Z

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that's mecham's car. That thing is one nasty TA. The supra however should of been on C16 and around 25-26psi to even put up a fight with him. Its also a baby 67mm turbo, i can't wait till my 76mm goes on

BlueZee28

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supras are overrated...stock LS1 takes a stock TT supra anyday in the 1/4 mile...i have seen videos of a turbo vette SMOKING a hyubusa, and also a vid of a highly modded T/A smoking a hyubusa as well...

stu

How many cars can you think of that can handle 800 wheel horsepower without even opening the head or any of the internals?

Okay, now how many of them are 6 cylinders?

IROCThe5.7L

Keyword being stock

stu

There was a guy that used to post on my board as WS6 Mecham that had a sweet TA. I think this might be him, but I don't remember if he was turbo or supercharged at the time.

Der91Z

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I didn't wanna be bias, but glad you chimed in for me. I will agree stock, the LS1 should win in the 1/4. Put $500 in both cars and try again. Anyway to stay on topic, to compete with the 1000cc bikes, you'll need a estimated 850whp to come close if not beat one on a highway roll. That information is coming from the supra guys and their experiences.

jocww

the 03+ cobras can make 800 hp with stock bottom end and heads so can the new z06 the ford gt viper

stu

Exactly, and how many of those cars are "over rated"? None of them, they are all bad ***.






Which of those was the 6 cylinder again?










Also, I think you need to work the heads once you want to go higher than 800 whp on a totally stock Supra motor.

Der91Z

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Nope, not at all. My friend is currently making 840whp and should be tapping the 900whp with his new setup this winter on a totally untouched head.

Orr89RocZ

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anyone know of another car that is full interior and goes 8.4's at over 160mph? fully streetable 1100rwhp??

marco's supra does just that.. and it goes up to 1500rwhp on race gas and nearly 50psi booost.

not bad for a supra eh?

they are NO joke

TexasLT1

at least a few of you understood what I was implying

Street Lethal

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Agreed. I raced my buddies stock Twin Turbo Supra, with my stock 98 Trans am, and beat him... not by much though (and the two of us have been draggin for quite sometime now).

Videos really don't do it much justice, I've seen blown LS1's dominate Raceway Park for an entire weekend. I mean, I give my buddies, who run Imports, thumbs up every now and then... but when the "Vette doctors" are in town, all of them (my buddies, running the Imports) are soon reduced to mere spectators...

You gotta love those blown LSX's!

Street Lethal

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Agreed... especially if you're comparing
the 2JZ up against any engine utilizing the ole pushrod method.

After being beaten myself by a mid 9 second Grand National, in which puts out a little over 500 horsepower... it isn't saying much for those Supra's making practically 800 horsepower, and yet are lucky to be in the low 11's.

... now if the 3.8 Turbo was matched up against the 2JZ out on the highway, now that, would be a completely different story.

Street Lethal

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Yes, Rick Head's 89 TT Camaro....

Anyone know of any other street legal, completely streetable car, period.... that can run low 10's.... with a trap speed of under 110-mph?

The driver of this LS1 does...

stu

See, you guys are talking about the GNX as well. Awesome car.

scottland

Sportbikes are beatable.

2 Things to consider.

1. Your stock 3rd gen isn't gonna cut it you need to be running low 12s to even stand a change against any modern 600cc+ sportbike with a decent rider

And just as important

2. You've gotta take him HARD off the line. That is a sportbikes biggest disadvantage. 1st & 2nd gear. Too much throttle, and the front wheel is coming off the ground. Esspecially middleweights and liter bikes, because they have shorter wheelbases for the twisties.

Assuming your car is fast (11's or 12's) If you get a great launch, and the guy on the bike doesn't, you'll probably win.

Race a 600+ cc bike from a roll, and assuming he downshifts into the powerband, it's over. (unless your cranking off 9's)

Now Busas are another story, but then again, anyone who wans to own a bike that is uglier than sin, and more bike that 95% of riders that buy them can handle. Who cares if they win... People buy Busas simply because they are the "Fastest bike there is" not because they will ever use the power. Most of them are compensating for something

FYI my daily driver is a 2003 Kawasaki ZX6R

84firebird383

Have you ever taken it to the track? If so ,what were your ET's and MPH?

TexasLT1

this whole thread is kinda funny. This past weekend there were about 8 bikes making runs at HRP, everything from stock 950's to juiced 'Busas. I didn't see a single bike run slower than about 10.2 with the fastest running something like 9.2 @ 166. Obviously these are well ridden and some of them modded, but tell me again you don't need much to take out a bike?

90Formula305

beat me to it

Street Lethal

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... speaking of Busa's, my buddy's twenty year old Kawasaki GPZ-Turbo handed it's driver (of the Busa) his @ss at the track a few weeks back. You gotta love the underdog, but then again, I wouldn't consider a bike from twenty years ago, that ran 10.99 from the factory, an underdog.

scottland

I haven't had it to the track. Tracks require full leathers, and I have yet to fork over the cash for leather pants.

So i'm not going to try an talk myself up as an experienced racer. also with a middleweight, twisties are WAYY more fun.

Which leads to my next point, answering this question

I'd say over 50% of the kids you see on sport bikes are total squids. And depending on your definition of squid, I myself might be included.

Point being, if you are racing a bike from a stop, and have a stout 3rd gen, if the kid can't launch it, or keep the wheel down in first gear. If you get a great launch, you very well might win the race.

I'm not trying to say bikes aren't fast, my 636 makes my 13sec flat 3rd gen feel like a slug, but don't think they are the holy grail of speed.

They flat out OWN from about 20mph-120mph. Before 20mph and you have to be able to launch it well, and after 120mph they don't have the torque to push through the wind as well as a car.

I'm just trying to answer the guys question that started the thread, he wanted to know what it takes to beat bikes.

On the track it's tough, because most people that race at the track are good, or working towards getting better.

But on the street, you never know what kind of a$$clown is behind the handlebars.

So moral of the story, get them off the line, or from a 90mph roll on the highway and you've got a fighting chance.

IROCThe5.7L

Scott, I am very interested in getting a bike next spring. I read a lot about this "squid" term. Does it just mean new riders? Or new riders that arent responsible and shouldn't even be on a bike?

90Formula305

My dad's a Motorcycle safety foundation safety instructor, ive taken the course and passed with the second highest score in my class and i ride every day, plus im 19. So im a young rider, id like this squid thing explained too.

stu

A squid is someone who doesn't think they are a squid. Welcome to the club!

90Formula305

So, are you calling me a squid?

stu

Yes, but I'm mostly joking. Just don't ever make the mistake of thinking that you aren't.

90Formula305

I dont see why, you dont me personally so i dont see the point in this.

stu

Of course you don't.

90Formula305

Did you get stuffed in a locker alot when you were in high school? What about wedgies?

stu

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