roc city f body

hay a few weeks back i raced a new neon i think their called srt4 or some ***** name like that. any way it was stock turbo 5spd and that was it. my car was in need of major tune up and it was runing at probley 75% due to lake of funds to fix, and the kids been runing his mouth for a while, and you know what they say . you run , what you brung. well needless to say that light, turbo, pos, beat me, and i blew my power steering belt in the process, but now that my car is running fine , he wont race me saying its a waist of time to him but its pissing me off that he wont cause i think i can take him. he only beat me by like a car and thats cause when my belt blew i had no idea what it was and it scared the **** out of me so i started to let off a bit towerds the end. my only concern is that car probly weighs like a 1000 pounds less then me. but what do you think?

stu

There are probably five other recent threads talking about what this car is capable of doing. It's not a pos, and you'll probably lose again.

89IrocZ350TPI

Go race him and find out...

vwdave

Your "only" concern? Thats a good one.

Those cars are low 14 second cars that trap a little over 100mph. That engine is stronger than you think.

7plagues

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i never saw one srt4 trap at 100 that was stock at FIR. most where like 15... at 94mph they had no traction. there was about 4 of them there. some got faster but none where at 100mph

vwdave

I went to the track with a friend of mine and he was damn close to 100. Like, 98-99mph and his was stock.

shawnc16

Woodward ave......witnessed an SRT-4 blow the doors off a C-6 Vette. Both guys members of Motown Muscle as far as i know....so most likely it wasnt just some spoof

lilbowilson

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Woodward ave......witnessed an SRT-4 blow the doors off a C-6 Vette. Both guys members of Motown Muscle as far as i know....so most likely it wasnt just some spoof

Yeah if it did than you know it wasn't stock!

Keep pushing him to run you again from a dig an you should take him. My saying goes: Never run when you know your car isn't running right!

80smetalfan

With your particular setup, if your car is in good tune and you have traction to go along with your stall, and his car is truly stock, I think you'll take him from a dig. Don't know about a roll, but I think with traction, you'd definitely take him from a dig.

roc city f body

i know its my fault too for runing with a limp, but you know how neon guys and their sticks are? well my car has seen 14 even on a reguler basis at the track so i dont see how hes gonna beat me that bad, boy the speeds we could reach if we were 1000 lbs lighter?

laiky

make sure you run for the full 1/4 mile. They are fast to 60 because the 2-3 shift occours just past 60, one less shift will save a few tenths. If you want to screw with him, you will beat him up from a roll in traffic, with an auto and tpi you will have a big advantage.

91ChevyRS

um yes, SRT-4s are alot faster than you think they are.....especially the new ones. They run high 13s, it doesn't matter if your car is in need of a tune up or if it was running badly, he would've beaten you either way.

They are fast cars, and by goodness they are not POSs either if they can do 0-60 STOCK 5.2 seconds!

roc city f body

dude i am going to find thi r i c e r and take him down

urbanhunter44

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How do you figure an auto and tuned port injection will give him an advantage from a roll?

The A4/L98 combo is at its BEST from a stop, and its WORST from a roll.

I think he's going to take you again. You hit a fricken' WALL at about 60 mph, he's going to keep pulling strong and pass you quickly.

80smetalfan

not quite, this article and several others I found only listed the 0-60 as 5.8 seconds, unless this kid has an 05/06. Additionally, this article listed the quarter at 14.2

Remember, these are turbo cars, and the cheap/free mods on these things pack quite a punch, so there's not a whole lot to guarantee that the one you saw at the track "stock" turning mid-high 13s was really untouched. Think about how guys on this board with built 406 SBC get a kick out of telling people they're running mild 350s or even 305s. A bit of a stretch, but you get what I'm sayin.

Obviously with minimal money (like any turbo car), these things go fast and have a crapload of potential. But as heavy as they are (lighter than 3rd gens, but still 2900 lbs) and with only 230 ponies, unless they're horribly under-rated by Dodge, I find it hard to believe they are genuinely 13 second machines out of the factory.

Kinda like how L98 thirdgens are allegedly only "a few bolt ons" away from 13s. Usually not the case, but even so, it isn't stock at that point, so therefore it doesn't run high 13s stock. Consider opening your wastegate more a bolt-on mod, lol.


EDIT- And with your 0-60 being 6.0 seconds stock (according to that video on here from the 80s), with your mods and traction, you're probably faster than 5.8 seconds to 60 anyways. I think with traction (and considering you have a 2000 stall) you'll take him to 60.

EDIT #2- My apologies 91ChevyRS, I just realized you were talking about the new ones.

stu

You're going to get worked again. lol

laiky

I don't see how losing by a car length after a mechanical failure is getting worked?? Like so many "fast cars" its up to the driver. Add a small turbo motor, stick shift and fwd traction and the story will change as often as his "stock" neon. The L98 will be consistent with its boatload of torque and auto where as the average schmuck with the neon will change et's like the weather running on the street.

My point about running from a roll was to catch him off gaurd. If you are on a blvd with traffic and you surprise him he wont be able to downshift, to the correct gear before the race starts. One more liability of this type of car.

I'm not saying srt4's aren't fast, there just not as user freindly as the L98. If you like i'll run him with my ahem "stock" LG4

ShiftyCapone

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About a month ago I saw a bone stock SRT4 put down 200 at the wheels. The guy then unplugged a single vacuum line (boost reference signal?) and put down 240 at the wheels. What is not user friendly about that?

stu

Oh, so pull up next to him and take off before he even knows that you're there? I don't know about you, but I'd sure be proud to win a "race" like that.

Liability of this type of car? You mean one with a manual transmission?

89IrocZ350TPI

My point about running from a roll was to catch him off gaurd. If you are on a blvd with traffic and you surprise him he wont be able to downshift, to the correct gear before the race starts. One more liability of this type of car.

WTF.....who the hell wants to win like that?

mrpopo573

Dodge has done a great job with the SRT-4 for the price range.

Giving good performance to those without any credit or money, allowing the kids my age to purchase something most of them shouldn't be behind the wheel of due to excess of testosterone.


But regardless of the attitude, I wouldn't discount him. Stu is right, and so is everyone else that says their fast. Low 14's with a bad driver...the newer the faster...small mods and a solid 13 second car.

I've seen some thirdgens personally race them, and typical of turbo cars, we pull them for a little while until full spool and then they start pulling h a r d.

nick418

those srts are fast little buggers. Still a DODGE THOUGH I give them full credit but i still cant stand dodge. There worst in Ford IMO. I was driving my L98 Vette the other day with couple mods and i pulled up to a Srt dodge. He didnt want to race... Oh well.. LOL.. My vette should be running high 13s

laiky

I guess the wolf pack is board.

I made no reference to the power output of the Neon, they are fast cars, especially so considering they are relatively cheap. I have considered buying one in the past but opted for a more practical (for my purposes) vehicle. When i used the term user friendly i was reffering to the fact that the motor has to be reving to make boost and to be revving it has to be in the right gear which must be selected manually by the driver increasing his workload and the probability of a mistake since he is human and prone to error. That said it also increases the fun factor, but that wasn't the point i was trying to make.



"WTF.....who the hell wants to win like that?

Oh, so pull up next to him and take off before he even knows that you're there? I don't know about you, but I'd sure be proud to win a "race" like that. "

not me, but i also wouldn't claim a win if my opponent broke during the race. the point was to **** him off and goad him into another race.


"Liability of this type of car? You mean one with a manual transmission? "

Yes, Stu a manual transmission requires more skill to drive and is a liability in unskilled hands. Since you can't just go wide open on the throttle and get an automatic downshift to the optimal gear. If the race is close you would want every advantage, that said if you wait for him to downshift and bring his revs up you will be giving the advantage to him, instead of leveraging your automatics ability quickly grab the correct gear from a roll.

gpbtt

Guys:
You do not want to here this my son has a 91 RS and a 2004 Neon SRT-4 and I can tell you the Neon is fast....

87TPI350KID

With your mods, prepar to have a good race to about 70. After that those things will pull on you real bad. Simple mods on turbo cars really wake them up.

ShiftyCapone

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Yea you could say that. I am tired of reading threads on here where people argue about non quantifiable crap.

I just don't think people are following your logic and thus this thread will eventually die due to arguing.

vwdave

If the wastegate gets no vacumn, its closed. Tons of boost, good odds of something blowing up.

fly89gta

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Wow, the ignorance in this thread is simply amazing.

To the thread starter...no offense but with your attitude I hope you get smoked again.

vwdave

Thats one of the reasons I dont post in this forum anymore. Too many fanboys. Like walking into a honda forum.

ShiftyCapone

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Thanks Dave You learn somthing new everyday.

vwdave

I have a 1.8 Turbo VW. The technology they have in these cars now is staggering.

I had one coming into my shop that had maybe 70hp. I check with my computer and it says its putting out 23psi. Fortunately, I had experience with this problem. The valve that controls the wastegate goes bad and boosts the hell out of the car. The MAP sensor picks this up and the car closes the throttle body most of the way to prevent engine damage.

Now, a valve that would normally appear to be working right in a performance mindset, actually is defective and costing you alot of horsepower.

Its crazy.

86irocmike86

this is pretty funny because im selling my iroc right now to get an 05 white SRT-4. they are beautiful little machines that shouldnt be taken lightly. it is a helluva lot quicker and more reliable then my iroc is.

80smetalfan

For the money you're going to spend on an 05 SRT-4, you might as well drop a 350-400 SBC and T-56 in your IROC and turbocharge/supercharge it. Hell, you could even get gears and build the motor with that cash. You'll eat most SRT-4s for breakfast, and look better too. Less gas mileage, maybe less reliability (Dodges themselves aren't great about reliability, I don't think a turbo Dodge would be particularly good), but something to consider if you're actually going to fork out the cash for one. You've already got a formidable sports car that will outhandle an SRT-4 anyways and is better looking, put your cash into it.

fly89gta

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Yup, and when he drops $10-12K on all that stuff and it breaks is he going to go back to GM and demand they fix it? A little thing called a warranty is a wonderful thing.

rx7speed

I agree


Teh dodge pwned joo

ShiftyCapone

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I agree. Also, financing a new car is a lot easier than begging the bank to loan you 15 grand do do a 400/T56 swap . If they had that type of disposable income they wouldn't buy a neon to begin with.

roc city f body

i dont see why i the thread starter did anything more disrespectful then yourself at the moment i think thi is a open fourem about Theoretical and Street Racing. which means i ask a valid question here and thats it . if you dont like the post then dont read it or for that matter waist your time posting on it, your input is not needed.im sorry you dont like this post so i will make sure to check in with you next time i start a thread

rjmcgee

I raced one of those Neons at the track and I kicked his ***, until the 1/8th mile when he passed me like I was standing still. He trapped 116, thats pretty fast in my book. Cool little cars.

vwdave

Exactly what I was thinking.

stu

You can come hang out at my honda site VW Dave. We don't even talk about cars anymore. Well, it's not really a Honda site either, but all imports. Nevermind. lol

vwdave

I have too many sites to hang out at as it is. Thanks for the invitation.

80smetalfan

He obviously has enough income to make monthly car payments on a brand new car. It's not like every guy on here who does a TT SBC setup has $3000 sitting around either. You build it piece by piece, as you're well aware.

The thing is, he doesn't even need anywhere close to $10K to put a bolt-on SRT-4 down. A well spent $3K would probably do the job pretty easily. Or less if he wants to go with a bottle.

He won't have a warranty, but if he wants the best financial go-fast route, it makes more sense keeping his 3rdgen, as even if he doesn't have a warranty, he's not making payments towards a sum of $20 K either, so he's still spending less money even if he does have to get a new drivetrain. He could just throw gas mileage out the window and get a TH-350 or TH-400 with like a 2500 stall and good rear axle and not have to worry about his drivetrain coming apart from running mid to low 12s (which will take probably 80% of the SRT-4s you'll ever encounter on the street, along with most other cars).

80smetalfan

double post...

80smetalfan

I'll add that if the guy doesn't like to/doesn't know how to build it himself than it obviously is better to go with the SRT-4.

ShiftyCapone

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Do you know how much it costs to build a driveline to consistantly handle that? A "good" rear end that is designed to handle track duty is in the $2500 range. A properly build A4 with matched converter is also in the $2k range. A beefed up 10 bolt alone is in the $1k range. Some people don't want to spend it piece by piece over the course of years when they can have a low 14 second car now that is safer and has better brakes.

$3k may cut it on an L98 car when you are starting out with a good motor, rear gear and suspension but $3k will not beat an SRT-4 if you are starting with an LG4 or LO3 car. I have spent far more than that and would get owned by one.

Cheap reliable speed doesn't exist. If so, everyone on this site would run 12's with a few mods. Sure you could make a car run 12's for $3k but you compromise so much for the sake of blowing your wad in 1320 feet. Your car becomes worthless for anything else and will not last.

I agree with you that he should keep the 3rd gen if he wants a platform for speed. In the end he will spend less to be faster but he loses out on re-sale value and other instantaneous advantages of a new car.

Some are patient enough to build their car, much like myself, however I can appreicate a person who wants to go fast with good looks now.

I agree but he is still limited.

86irocmike86

hey, a few of you hit the head on the nail, i do make enough money to cover payments on the SRT. i also make anough extra that i can get a few goodies for it within a reasonable amount of time. i would build the iroc up , its just easier to get a newer car, with warranty, and have it always drivable, and fun. this compared to having my only car be down for weeks or months at a time to get all these high powered parts installed, let alone the time to save for all this stuff. when i grow up i'll still have an eye for these third gens and when i get a nice job with a high salary eventually i wouldnt doubt id get another and build it up the way i would want my to be now but just cant achieve. until then i will have one of these fast fun neons and look presentable when i drive up to places where new car looks help you out ( jobs court and so on) .

mrpopo573

As a dealer I will say one thing.

Thirdgens of course are a passion thing, their is an a** for every seat as they say, but on paper, they aren't worth more than maybe 2000. (certain models excluded of course)

As for resale on the srt-4s, don't go thinking about being able to turn your money for good, besides obvious depreciations, the srt-4s are a purpose built car and require a buyer who is, well...very very specific. A car that starts at 20,000 dollars is a mixed blessing, but being performance oriented you've already killed half your resale buyer basis.

At the auction I watch them sell for back of wholesale book, even cherry black ones with low mileage. Everytime I see one I stop and stare...I can still agree with the appeal of having a thirdgen baby in the garage and something to have fun in that is both presentable and somewhat reliable for your commute.

Just my .02 rant.

Ian_F

RE: third gen vs. SRT-4

Back when I had my 87 GTA, I raced an 03 SRT-4. it wasn't stock, but it was "only" a stage one. The tree drops and I get him off the line. once the 60' was up he was next to me and it was taillights for the GTA for the rest of the track. My GTA was modified. L98, 700R-4 w/ shift kit, 3.27 gears in a 9 bolt, posi (obviously), SLP cold air intake w/ K&N, SLP air foil, TB coolant bypass, SLP intake runners, SLP stainless headers, SLP y-pipe, high flow cat, SLP two out the left cat back and supossedly it was chipped but I doubt it. The SRT-4 went 13.90 at 105 and I went my usual 14.4 at 96 (145k miles with no rebuild ). this took place at pittsburg raceway park in I think may or june of 2004.

SRT-4's are fast. put up against a third gen, its gonna take a TTA or a very low mileage 90 IROC L98 G92, or a very low mileage 91-92 Z28 L98 G92 so match it or beat it in the TTA's case. The SRT-4 puts out almost the same amount or power that the L98 did and its a lot lighter than a thirdgen.

and for ditching the third gen for an SRT-4...I'd do the same thing. you get a new car with a warantee. capable of running low 14's stock, handles great and stops great. If you have never driven one, they are amazingly fun little cars. and as fars as mods go, you can go up to stage three with "toys" and have 325 hp and still keep the warantee! If I had enough money, I'd probably buy one.

fly89gta

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Nice spelling and grammar

Since when is a SRT-4 a "r i c e r"? Go find him and get smoked again. He has a faster car, case closed. A ***** is some hon-duh with a fart pipe and a big wing. Not a legitimate low 14 second/high 13 second car. That's why I made the comment I did.

fly89gta

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Ok, well I'm going to go buy a $250 Geo Metro and build that up and be super cool.

The point of buying a new vehicle is to have a "new vehicle". Having a warranty, a car that doesn't squeek and rattle...etc etc...