88-I.R.O.C.

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My dad was driving my escort and i was driving my camaro. My camaro had 180k on it so i didn't push it too hard, but, holy crap, my escort kept up pretty good. Sure surprised me. It was the 'mazda' 1.8 dohc motor. I love that car. it is like the ultimate stock sleeper. We hit 105 and i didn't want to run my camaro in 4th for the high rpm, but i think when my escort is in 4th is at maybe 5000 rpms(my dad was pushing the escort) and it pulls all the way to 6500. he didn't gain and i did not pull, but i was in 5th. I think were going 50ish when we started. happened last summer and i was just thinking about it today. Anyways, just plain fun to race your own cars against each other. I just sold my escort though....i miss it
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...31/03_25_0.jpg

NowTheBadNews

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Then your camaro must be ungodly pathetic if it cant beat the living hell out of that escort.

88-I.R.O.C.

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probably was with 180k. Although from zero i'm sure that car would have been blown away. I'm sure i could have flown farther away had i dropped it down into 4th, but i didn't want to risk something breaking on it. Although the curb weight on an escort is only 2490#s. This gt has ~130 hp compared to a regular escort 90hp. Anyways the whole thing was just racing my stuff against each other.

ls six

I'm not supprised at all.

I've been a mazda owner and fan for years and I just bought my first muscle car 90 firebird TA 350 tpi.

I drive a mazda mx6 ls with a dyno proven 163 WHP and 151 WTQ and I can say it would easily keep up with the TA.

If you want to have some real fun swap in a 200HP KL-ZE motor (2.5L V6). In an EGT with boltons it should be good for low 14's.

v10viper04

There is no way a mazda MX6 is going to run with a 350 TPI thats just stupid....

88-I.R.O.C.

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My car was a 305 tpi btw(if that matters). Also, so what? The whole point of my tread was just expressing how much fun it is to race your own two vehicles. Not everything is beaten by a camaro and a camaro is not beaten by everything.

v10viper04

I'm pretty sure i never said anything about a Camaro being the fastest but when ppl come on here saying a 163hp/151 tq car can stay with a 350TPI stock thats ridiculous. and it is fun to race two of your own vehicles i know...

guitargod2138

i got a 305 tbi with 3' flowmaster exhaust, a b&m shift kit, and 3.73 gears, and i pretty much spanked an escort it mustve been fairly new, maybe late 90's idk, but it was pretty bad, the only reason the escort might have kept up with you was cause you went from a 50 roll, go from a dig and you will walk on him

25thmustang

That depends 150% on weight, gearing, aerodynamics etc...

163 Whp is not crank power and on a light car will walk away from a 350 equipped Fbody.

Burnout91

............or a 5.0 Mustang.

Bill

25thmustang

Or a 5.0 Mustang, or a Z06, or anything. With the right chassis 160 hp has plenty to walk a certain car with more. I don't know what an MX6 weighs, but if its significantly under 3000 lbs, that 160 whp could beat a 220 whp Fbody that weighs 3500 lbs.

v10viper04

5.0 mustangs arn't rated all that high....

Burnout91

They don't rate very high on my scale

Bill

NowTheBadNews

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All it was .... Was the escort was drafting there for only using maybe 1/2 its power to keep up. Or he tied a rope to the camaro when you weren't looking. I've owned one of these escorts and you can outrun it on foot.

ls six

What dose a TPI 350 run stock? Cause an MX6 V6 will run low 15's easy.

I can see a TPI running high 14's stock. But really these cars have a terrible top end. My 6 will pull straight to 7200 and has respectible low end also.

FWD dose suck to launch with but I catch lots of cars at the top end.

Yep my car weighed 2,675 LBS new. Almost a thousand pound advantage thats with leather and power everything and the big motor. I no longer have A/C and removed all related equipment about 80 LBS. Thats enough weight to cause the front end to ride about 1" higher than normal. I also have a full 2 1/2" exhaust with no cat so it's not stock. The car has really low gearing too.

I actualy kept up with an LS1 Z28 last year and that was up hill. The sandy area we launched from screwed his RWD advantage lol. No excuses right?

The 1.9's suck but the 1.8 twin cams are reasonably quick. Thats the legendary Mazda BP engine. 130 HP N/A It came turbocharged in the AWD GTX at 200-220 HP and it made the late 1st gen miatas real monsters because they came ready for boost from the factory. Forged everything and and special heads good for 400+ HP.

It only came in GT hatchbacks and LX-E sedans along with many many proteges.

I almost bought a proto instead of the TA.

ls six

Just for fun

6 vs Camaro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p62xkiqzY1A


And mx6 vs transam.

I dont know if either car is stock but damn! I didnt think a TA would loose that bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmW-4O7o1c

And you can see here the 6 has no problem passing camaros mustangs and even porches on a road course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw6wb...eature=related

v10viper04

I'm pretty sure those mazdas are modded up the @ss... no way it could keep with an LS1 unless it was a v6

ls six

OK all LS1's are V8's. Unless you ment the MX6's then yes all 3 were V6's.
It's hard to tell if thats an LT1 or LS1 also.

As far as keeping up with the 4th gen I wouldnt have predicted that either but it was just a street race. On a track with decent drivers I'd bet on the camaro.

The kid in the TA didnt know how to drive either atleast I hope mine aint that slow lol.

None were turboed or S/C'd. The KL engine makes very distinct sounds with either form of boost and bolt ons dont show much if any gain on a dyno. But these cars are constantly under rated. Thats why I love'em.

Thr 3rd one belongs to a member of mx6.com and it only has a 197 HP JDM engine intake exhaust and a simple effective strut setup.

88-I.R.O.C.

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EXACTLY! 'reasonably' Gentlemen, our third gens are old, Mine had 180,000 miles on it. That's not exactly tip top racing condition. Just if you have a third gen, even with a 350 doesn't mean you own the road. More now than ever 14 and 13 second cars are becoming more common.
My car was drafting, but the weight difference had to help so much, plus the thing pulls pretty good at the high RPMs. And once again, if ppl can't read i would have walked away from him, had i down shifted i'm sure.

91greenbird

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i agree with you 100% no im not a mustang driver i hate 5.0's not caz i think there junk or shitty but because of were i live all mustang drivers think they have the fastest **** on the street. I cant tell you how many times 5.0's will drive right next to me in traffic gunning it making me race. They are not bad cars i only run 13.8's so im slow as hell im sure a lightly modified notch 5 speed would eat me up.

chaoz28

bull... no way possible an ms6 can run a 15... not possible nope.. my first car was a 1969 bug that i still own i have 6700 dollar in it with a dyno proven 195rwhp and 205 wtq weighing in at 2155 with me in the car and i ran a 12.23 best at a lil less than a mile above sea level.. if my under 2200 lbs car using 195 horse can barely move a 12 out no way ur 2600 lb 160 whp car can make a 15 i dont belive it..

91greenbird

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did u mean 1600 or 2600 either way 160rwhp will easily do a 15 in a 2600 pound car hell a thirdgen weight at 3500 with 160 @ the wheels could do a 15.9 or faster

chaoz28

thats gotta be a well geared car then.. ive seen boosted h22 prelude run a 15 with 10 lbs booste and many other mods.. the prelude isnt exactly a boat either i would figure if that prelude needed booste to run a 15 an s6 shouldnt.. and i edited my thing on weight lol sorry..

91greenbird

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i dunno man my car weighs 3400 with MAYBE 240 @ the wheels with only 3.27 gears and a s10 stall it ran a 13.86

25thmustang

My friends 3000 lb 225 rwhp car went 12.7 @ 105...

91greenbird

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mustang? My friend is getting a new car someone side swiped him im trying to talk him into a 97 cobra with some bolt ons 5 speed since your the only mustang guy really on here what you think about them?

ls six

If you want to know then look around mx6.com. There is no shortage of 2nd gen 6's running low 15's.

There is a huge differance between a 2600 lbs 160 HP car in the 15's and a 2100 lbs 195 whp car running 12's. Theres no real comparison between the two.

Yeah the gearing is really low. Just driving on the street I'm usualy in 2nd at around 10-15 mph. Cruising in the highway at 80 I'm turning 4K. But atleast I dont need to down shift to loose pesky hondas trying to play with me.

Depends on the lude. Newer ones out weigh the 6 and even the H22 dosnt make the torque the KL will and it definitely cant match the curve.

I guarante he was having traction problems like all FWD's will with boost. Hell 6's wont gain as much as they should when boosted because they allready make too much torque to hook N/A.

Thats a major upgrade for most 350 auto domestics. Just a higher than stock converter can shave half a second with sticky tires.

chaoz28

hmm.. i guess i can see where ur goin with the fwd launch stuff.. my brothers twin turbo vr6 corrado is making 324 whp and unless he granny launches he doesnt have any such traction... lol but somewhere along the way i think we lost track of topic it was escorts vs third gen to a mazda and a prelude

we got one rich mama jamma here in my lil city with a cosworth edition escort.. car made my camaro look like it still had a 4 cyl in it at the track last season..

ls six

All right I searched and found some times.

1993 Ford Escort GT 8.4 16.5
VS
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5 (<thats a 350 not a 305 BTW)
VS
1993 Mazda MX-6 LS 7.4 15.7 (ok so not quite "low"15's lol)
But this is the same car badged as a ford>1994 Ford Probe GT 7.5 15.3
VS
1992 Honda Prelude Si 4WS 7.8 15.9

For greenbird 1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.5 14.0

And this one is for me. 1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9



Heres the link. http://www.mx6.com/forums/racing-for...-all-cars.html

ls six

Thats an import right? Or did they badge a US model escort as a cosworth?

I dont know much about the UK escorts but they are huge over there especialy the cosworths.

chaoz28

ya know im not exactly sure.. it wasnt boosted i can tell that for sure.. and it was all stickered up (i guess he does pro autocross with it aside from firday night drags) if its all motor even the uk cosworth isnt this fast he ran low 12's but they were never constant times... but if its any consilation it was badged cosworth and he had euro style plates on it

alpine247

umm these time cant be true i ran my stock iroc-z ran a 14.3.

91greenbird

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25thmustang

Those times give a slight idea, most of the time cars will be faster than those...

camshaftxe

My bone stock lo3 ran a 16.1, but they are rate at a 16.6.

guitargod2138

my lo3 went 15.9 with only a shift kit on it...long way away from 16.7

Thirdgen89GTA

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That body style Escort GT shown in the first post had 115hp at most, and weighs about 2400lbs.

If its LUCKY it will turn a low 16, my old daily driver a 93 Escort LX with the 1.9L 88hp ford engine was lucky to muster a 19.1 @ 71mph. Yes, I did have it at the track.

Any TPI should demolish it, unless its firing on 6 cylinders.

91z 2 8

thats like my bro has a 92 GSX AWD turbo eclipse stock cept fro FMIC and that thing has 195 to the crank and it would walk all over me and would prolly beat my dads 06 GT mustang. my camaro is the 305 tpi all stock and that thing pulls wayyyyy harder then my car my cars like a single cam honda compared to that eclipse.

ls six

Look at the other camaros/firebirds on the list. There seems to be a big differance between years. There was one listed in the 14's but I posted the only one from the same year as the OP's car.


It proabably depends on year but the N/A 1.8 was rated as high as 130 CHP.

The weight sounds about right tho. And if I ever owned an escort/tracer I would avoid the 1.9 like the herpes. I'd rather get a mazda 323/protege with the SOHC 1.6 motor. About the same HP but much better in every way.

billybird

m6's are 15.1 sec cars stock 5sp...a 87 T/A gta 305 auto is 15.5 sec stock new minus 200 lbs for a formy that .2 tenths of a sec wich is 15.3 for a stock 87 305 auto formula.....FORMY's ROCK!!

ls six

Is that the time for the Mazda 6 or the MX6?

The link I posted was the only stock time I could find for MX6s.

camshaftxe

That 88 350 auto is a 230hp version wich makes it a 3500lb car with at most 200rwhp and a 2.77 rear.

Thirdgen89GTA

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My GTA with a peanut cammed 350 from a 350TBI and a stock TPI on top turned 15.3 @ 87mph. Once the proper heads/cam were in the block (Reman mfg shipped me wrong 350. ) Turned mid 14's near 95mph constantly.

2.77 auto is not mandatory in a L98 car. Could be anywhere from 2.77 to 3.27.

Car and Driver showed the 1987 Camaro Iroc Z with the L98 doing 14.5 @ 95mph, and several other magazines support similar numbers from an L98 car. On the whole most magazines opted to test the 5.0L/M5 against the Mustang because it gave them similar drivetrains.

camshaftxe

Incorrect, the only rear available for a 1988 350 iroc was a 2.77 unles it was a g92.

Thirdgen89GTA

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So it could be something other than a 2.77, why bother posting if you are going to contradict yourself.

2.77 =/= G92

The fact of the matter is that a 15.5 was not typical of a L98 in 1987.
This article says 14.88 @ 92mph - https://www.thirdgen.org/mcr_may_198...ol_heart_throb

An article from 1986 previewing the 1987 L98 Iroc says this: https://www.thirdgen.org/am_june_1986_350_camaro_iroc
This article has a slower one at 15.2 @ 91mph - https://www.thirdgen.org/tech/images...gp11_small.jpg

https://www.thirdgen.org/hr_1990_the_last_iroc

https://www.thirdgen.org/mr_jan_1992...ar_of_the_year
All of these articles are available on TGO, go to the multimedia section and click on magazine articles.

An L98 is not a 15.5 second car on average, on average its mid to high 14's, with freaks running low 14's, and poor examples in the mid 15's.

ls six

Now theres a guy who knows his car

No biggie, to me the MX-6 isnt and never will be a drag car. It's an awesome road car and track car and thats more than enough for me.

camshaftxe

Thats no g92, you and I both know that.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Doesn't matter if HIS is or not, you stated that No iroc could have anything other than a 2.77 in response to my comment. Then contradicted yourself by saying except G92. Well guess what you could get G92 on a iroc in 1988, so not all irocs are 2.77.

Even a 2.77 rear L98 should walk any car in the 16's.

The stock rear for a Lb9/M5 car is 3.08. The optional gear is 3.45. Go read the TGO technical data for a 1988 Camaro.

This information is on the boards and is correct.
https://www.thirdgen.org/1988-chevy-camaro

camshaftxe

Whats an lb9/m5 rear got to do with an l98/a4 rear? I think it does matter. Saying it doesnt is like saying theres no et difference in a 2.77 rear and a 3.27 rear.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Just that not all have 2.77's.

2.73, 2.77, 3.08, 3.23, 3.27, 3.45. Lots of options depending on drivetrain choices, and then options on those as well.

Blanket statements don't sit well with me.