GoodlookinRS

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Ok this kid that gose to my school said he would kill me?
Well i have a 90 rs with air intake, flowmasters, new tune up.
His car is completly stock with a stock turbo i think it is a 2000.
Should i beat him we will race from dead stop to!
thanks
kevin

Saculia

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I don't think that any civics came stock with a turbo.
I think with your mods you would be lucky to run low 15s. In fact with your gear ratios you are probably running high 15s.
chances are that if it is a civic si in stock form, no turbo, you will lose.
If it is a stock ex you may run with it or may do slightly better.
If the car is turbocharged, and the work was done right, you will lose either way.

GoodlookinRS

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Well this is what i got off a web site that i use. So idk.

This is 1996-2000
Civics had a choice of three 1.6-liter, overhead-cam, four-cylinder engines. A 106-horsepower version went into CX, DX, and LX models. The Civic HX coupe got a 115-horsepower engine, while the EX used a 127-horsepower four. Three transmissions were available: 5-speed manual, 4-speed automatic, or (for HX coupe only) Honda's CVT unit. In mid-1999 Honda added the Si with a 160 horsepower version of the EX engine. It came only with a 5-speed manual.
This is for 2001-2005
All regular Civics had 1.7-liter four-cylinder engines, but ratings varied according to model. A 115-horsepower version went into DX and LX models, while the economy-oriented HX got a 117-hp engine and the EX four-cylinder made 127 horsepower. Honda's Civic Si hatchback, introduced for 2002, held a dual-overhead-cam 2.0-liter engine that produced 160 horsepower. Either a five-speed manual or four-speed automatic transmission could be installed in DX, LX and EX models, but the HX used a continuously variable transmission as the alternative to manual shift, and the Si was manual-only. The 2003 Civic Hybrid used a gasoline-electric powertrain, with either manual shift or Honda's continuously variable transmission

igotta355z28

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if hes got a turbo hes in the 14s at least, dont race him dont need more civics having v8 kill stories. do some motor upgrades, pull that pos 305 drop in a 350 or bigger and have fun...

GoodlookinRS

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if it is just stock then whats the big deal? One of his friends said that is was some vtech or something.

igotta355z28

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no civics come stock with a turbo, and if its any type of special civic its an Si, witch means low 15s, high 14s if its a d16 motor civic you can rape him, if its a b16 youll have your hands full, and if its a b18 swap, then well thats like going from a carbed 305 to lt1 camaro.... i hate civics arnt trying to talk them up, find out what motor and what turbo and some more specifics and ill tell ya what he can run, got to know your enemy...plus im an ex ***** (nissan rwd only, i like my rice to have some *****)

GoodlookinRS

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i think it is nothing special by what everyone was tellin me at school.But i wont race him if it is one of those but what do think if i race him of the start and not go very far?

igotta355z28

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well if its a stock motor civic it will run 17s, so yeah run him and ull take him..

GoodlookinRS

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well if i do race him and its a base modle will i smoke him or just beat him?

ChillPhatCat

You should easily pull on him, but it won't be by much. I'd say you'll have 2 cars on him by 90.

Before you race him ask to see under his hood...

If you see anything like this:


or this:


you're in trouble

GoodlookinRS

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lol the kid knows nothing at all about cars.

kowboy59

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Lemme tell ya. lol i live is orlando fl, We have a term here its called Orlando stock. Which means ur fully modded. I barely see civics here that arent in the low 14's now. If it is a stock si turbo its a 15.1 im guessing to a 14.7 with intake.

vtec is vtec. nothing that awesome. Do not ever listen to a civic owner. They never tell the truth.
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K20???

ChillPhatCat

I did a search on B18 for that pic... I can't say if that's definitely what it is as I'm not an expert on honda engines... their DOHC motors all look the same to me.

Here's the thread... it's a CRX
http://hondaswap.com/civic-crx-ef/cr...300-obo-95878/

GoodlookinRS

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i'v been told it is just a stock Ex modle.

406z

my friend had an ex from the same generation it had a flat road topspeed of 96ish and downhill it would do 110. These cars are discustingly slow. I once bet 20 dollars that I could beat him from a 50-80 roll in a 05 taurus 3.0 v6. I did by atleast 4 cars. It was ridiculous.

The engine in his car stock makes 127 horsepower. It has a redline at around 8k. Race him from a stop and make sure you don't spin and you will win.

GoodlookinRS

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I will only race him if you think i will beat him bad.
All i have is 305tbi 82,000mi
flowmaster no cat
air breather
royal purple
ill run high octan

igotta355z28

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dont bother with the octane it doesnt make more power, it allows u to make more power, i.e. u can run more advanced ignition or more compression... and so on, the hight octane itself doesnt make more power....

GoodlookinRS

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well what ever you know but i want to win buy 5 cars and i'll stop after 2nd gear b/c i hit 70mph.

myTreadZz

Quote:
"vtec is vtec. nothing that awesome. Do not ever listen to a civic owner. They never tell the truth."

My buddy has a 4 door civic with a full gsr swap. He can't get into the 14s. Whenever I have to ride with him and bear that horrible exhaust tone, he always tops it off with: "Yo, Listen to me crack tec!" Makes me cringe when those words come out of his mouth. Can't forget this famous line: "V-tec is what makes Honda fast." Holy ****, ding ding ding, we have a winner ladies and gents, stupidest comment of the year goes to the Rice Association and all its philanthropists.

The other day some kid with a civic got loud with me when I told him the smell of a burning clutch can clearly be determine. He was arguing that it's odorless. New inspiration for a TV show: "*****s say the Darnest Things."

Sorry for the rant, bored and had a few things on my mind

Bs88ta

that engine pic is so funny.i can't imagine that someone would take the time to swap there motor and not even put a intake on it.to me it looks like nothing more than a dohc engine with a fancy cover on it that can be purchased at any rice shop for like 40-60 bucks.this guy i worked with has this beat to hell crx with a newer civic motor in it with that on it.his car is slow,loud,and slow.how slow?i ripped him a new one with my lumina,lol.and don't be under the impression that any honda with a swapped motor is gonna be fast.i saw this crx with a b16 swap,couldn't get out of 15's.traction.

Stevo

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we get it some of you don't like hondas.

cool thread...

igotta355z28

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i dont like hondas at all, but dont get cocky and think just cause u have a v8 camaro you can take them. dont think that hondas are slow and you can beat them, because to be quite honest most of the cocky guys who think they can take all the hondas and call them all slow are the 305 camaro guys with some 15.7 ride....the best bet is to just respect any car that someone else loves, if u think your faster then them find out and race them, but dont brag dont make fun of them or just flat out tell them youll whip their ***...Be the bigger man, and if they start out talking crap, just say hey well their is one way to find out lets race, dont talk crap back just say yeah u might beat me i dont know unless we run them...then if they do beat ya, you dont look like an idiot, and if u win its worse for them cause they started all the bs.... im just venting a little because of some of the things posted on this thread, i hate imports as much as the next guy but a crx with a b16 swap is quick, one with a b18 is impressive...i guess im getting at just respect all cars, have some self respect and dont go braging on your car to a little 4 banger....cause i can honestly say for every dumb thing ive heard a honda boy say ive hears some camaro, or other chevy guy say something equally dumb....its amazing how many 305s are declared as 350s, or how changing to long rods, will change your stroke, or a bored .030 over 305 is bigger then a 350 (yeah i actually head that b4, i just shook my head)...lets just all have more respect for other car enthusiests and if they are complete idiots try to educate them a little...

GoodlookinRS

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I respect anybody that takes care of their car but when they think they are bad azz with a stock 4cyl and a stupid exsaust thats when i lose their respect. Also whith them body kits and huge spoilers on a car.

v10viper04

hey its just what they like, but if they got a mouth then shut them up if you can... if not don't even bother racing them cause then they have a bigger ego and will talk even more...

85irocz355tpi

Lets face it. I hate all imports but I've seen a few that would wipe most of us on here. It's hard to stomach but if you have enough money you can make anything fast. Also I've owned a 305 RS and they are nothing special. I can beat stock TBI 305's all day long with my 95 Olds cutlass with a 3.1L. And Let me tell you that's a pooch. If you want to really bring your car to life and not have to worry so much about those civics then put a set of 3.73's in it and you'll have a slight understanding of quick. I thought my 305's were quick but I didn't know quick until I put the 355 in my iroc, and even that isn't anything horribly special. It's an LT1 beater but It's not running 12's or lower and that's when you start getting into the big leagues. You have a nice looking RS but unfortunately as long as you have the anemic L03 that's all it will be. If it's stock with no turbo I wouldn't be to worried but if it has a turbo on it I would think twice before lining up next to the guy.

GoodlookinRS

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Ya i am putting a 383 stroker in my car by my birthday october 30th and i am looking for 450-500 to the fly and i want like 430 to the rear. Then i want to do the 3:73 posi and i think that will make me happy and also beat a few people on the street what you guys think?
kevin

v10viper04

if you had 450-500 Flywheel you should be able to beat quite a few cars out there..... it would bring you close to a Z06 Vette with 505 but not as fast.....

LMSkyliner

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C4 Zo6 hunting

igotta355z28

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if u have 450-500 hp at the rear then u wont beat anyone until u change your rear end cause u will shell it....

85Firebird350

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Aint that the truth, I already have one blown rear laying around..

v10viper04

91z 2 8

if its a GSR swap civic your in trouble LS swap you can take him but not by much turbo your scrwed ls vtec swap your screwed, ls turbo vtec swap say bye bye to him. those civics are quick with engine swaps but the base single cams all blow ***** even the vtec single cams.

GoodlookinRS

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i have been told today that it is a EX vetch engine stock 127hp thats it. It is a 2 door coupe. so i think i can beat him.
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Well ya i am going to put the 3:73 posi and also beaf up my trans! I want to make it a beast! But will 500hp to the fly make it a beast or do i need more?

RicksIroc86

ok man heres the deal

most of my friends drive hondas

i have a stock 305 TPI heres what i have learned

i beat 06 civic SI's witha cold air intake header and exaust and a reflash ECU, from a dig but from a stop i lose

i smoke the 03 body style SI from a stop and beat it pretty good from a roll

i RAPE the 90's body style SI's


so if this guy has a 90's model EX i think that is a single overhead cam no vtech, so you will stomp the **** out of him.

if it is a 90's model SOHC turbo you will be pretty close(which it probly isnt if the guy knows nothing about cars).


pretty much you have nothing to worry about from a stop unless it is a NEW body style civic SI(looks like a spaceship or some ****)


so race him and let us know what happens. but make sure it is from a stop and if you whoop the **** out of him then your good to race from a roll too probly.


but i dont see you beating anything by 5 lengths unless it is a stock SOHC B18 from the 90's


good luck

6.LIROC-Z

Heres what happened when I raced a turbo civic

Vid https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...html?highlight=

Guro 305

GoodlookinRS, there is a reason they call them rice.....all show, no go. Listen to some of these guys, they all make good points and suggestions. I have had my car now for 14 years and have never had a problem with a Civic. I don't waste my gas anymore.

The last time I actually bothered was in my 'vette and I was toying with his p.o.s. up until about 45mph and then hit w.o.t.......I was at 90+ and could not see him in my rearview anymore. I am gambling he has never done anything that stupid again. If you want to keep the 305, there is still alot you can do. Everyone sleeps on it but it can still be made to be a sleeper. The best things you can do for about $1K is basic stuff. Start with headers and full exhaust. You already have the flowmaster so that helps alot. All you will need is the headers and the right pipes. And forgive my ignorance but if your car has a smog pump, remove that sucker and throw it in the trash. They are the single biggest power robbers of all.

The next thing to do is eliminate P.P.L. (Parasitic Power Loss). Ebay is great for this next mission. Toss the old steel driveshaft and replace it with greasable u-joints and an aluminum driveshaft. Get rid of your steel brake drums and replace them with aluminum ones. Get some new lowering high performance springs and shocks. Lots of guys here like the Bilstein shocks, they run a little more then KYBs but are worth the expense. If not, KYBs worked for me and I'm sure some other guys can advise on different makes.

Replace those old steel pulleys with some aluminum ones.....this is not that bad at all. Lose some weight on the car if you can. If you don't use your back seats or they are in bad shape, toss them. If you can live without your spare and tools, put them aside. If you are too fat like me, lose some weight. If you don't use your A/C and it's broken, toss it and replace it with the deleter pulley. And lastly but most certainly never least, if you are lucky to score a dual snorkel air cleaner from a H.O., get it. If not, I have a how-to on how to make your own if you want to see it. I also have a great article on creating power with a 305. Not sure if the dual snorkel fits a TBI but with enough innovation.......or at least get a C.A.I. Hope I helped you shed some light or at least gave you some ideas.

Cheers!

igotta355z28

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that much power will make for a hell of a street car. 350 hp makes a fun *** street car, but if u make that power changing the gear wont really make the rear stronger, u will need a moser, strange, or currie rear end...a bolt in 9 inch would do nice...

GoodlookinRS

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Ok the flowmaster i just put on like 4m ago it is a y pipe so can i use the same stuff i have and put headers on it? If so what type of headers should i use?

The smog pump how will i know if i have one? If i do and i take it off will it need to be replaced with something?

The drive shaft i have replaced one before on a freinds car but how hard will it be on my car? Will it be worth the money how much dose it cost?

Now the drums where could i buy them like autozone and how much?

Now the a/c it is broken when i bought the car so i want to do that but how hard will it be to do that?

The last i seen the pulleys arent cheep at all. But i might of been looking at something else.

So out of the thing that you listed what would be the top 3 things that would help me the most?

thanks alot
kevin

RicksIroc86

heythe FIRST thing you should do if you havent already is tune it up spark plugs cap and rotor get some good 8 or 8.5mm wires and put a blaster coil on it and get an open air filter, will make all the difference in the world since you have already started messin with the exaust. then you should DEFFINITLY race the civic

GoodlookinRS

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Ok i have already put plugs, wires, cap and rotor. I havent done the coil. Where is that located and how hard and how much? this is my engine but i have put a new starter, alt, battery.

RS Reaper

Hondas are tricky but if the idiot is stupid enoght to let you look under his hood then do it and you can see what he has got. As from what your saying he doesn't know much about cars so there is mostlikly nothing aftermarket in there but i had some people at my school, that knew nothing about cars but had the money to put some very nice things in them.
Are you saying you will not go over 70

igotta355z28

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aftermaket coil is a waste of money onless u have higher than stock compression, are running alot bigger spark plug gap, or are spraying NOS or forced induction....electricity is lazy it only works as hard as it has to, if i only takes 20k volts to jump the plug gap then thats all it will pull from the coil wether u have a 30k stock coil (have no idea what stock coil output is these numbers are hypathetical) or some dyno whoping 60k coil...so until you do one of the requirements i mentioned to need a bigger coil, then save ur money and use it else where.... same goes with ignition boxes i.e. MSD 6al although if u start spraying juice these do become must haves.....
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o dude and for the ac delete pulley go to advance autoparts and tell them you need the ac delete pulley for a 89 iroc 5.7 tpi engine with 1LE package, they had 2 in stock at my local store and it was like 30 bucks, u just unbolt the ac compressor and it slides in its place and u bolt it up....

GoodlookinRS

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then what about the other stuff he told me to do?

Guro 305

Alright, I'm gonna help you. The smog pump from the pix you posted appears to be that pump under the A/C compressor. Or it could be the one directly under your alternator. If you look at your manifolds and see those thin hollow looking tubes, they should go back to the pump. Mine is reverse with the alternator to the passenger's side and the A/C to the driver's side. Smog pump was under the Alternator for me.

Ok, your first statement makes no sense. What y-pipe are you referring too? Your Flowmaster should be nothing more then a muffler. The y-pipe is where the manifolds dump into between the manifolds and the cat. Get rid of the stock one because it's crush bent and too skinny. Which kind you buy will depend on what headers you buy. Do this research carefully. Summit sells lots of this stuff. You have to choose what works within your budget and what works best for you. Also get the appropriate intermediate pipe.....mandrel bent of course if you can afford it. Worst case, look for an intermediate pipe from a mid-model 350 or a H.O. If I'm not mistake they are 2 1/2". Can you say, salvage yard?! Expect here to spend about $400.

Smog pump....if you aren't going to do all of the header work at the same time, toss the smog pump, cut off all the air tubes that lead into the manifold and plug the holes. They do make a deleter for the smog pump just like for the A/C. Your engine looks serpentine so you will need the pulley. My engine doesn't use a serpentine so I simply did away with. You can find deleter pulleys on Ebay for like $30 a pop.

The aluminum driveshaft is easy come easy go. You can find these on Ebay all the time....usually for about $150. There are lots of these around considering LS1 F-bodies used them and the driveshafts fit just about all V8 F-bodies from 82-02. This however, will probably be the last thing you want to do unless you know how to balance a driveshaft.

Aluminum brake drums......now those are hard to come by. I bought mine from T/A Creations in Miami. I've known the shop for over ten years and they are reliable as hell, however recently they seem a little expensive.........over the internet. www.tacreationsusa.com. I paid $50 for both, however I went in person. Check Ebay also for this one and yes this is a simple take off the old, put on the new.

Now, pulleys are a simple yet efficient mod. I never said they were cheap, just not expensive. All of this helps with the P.P.L. (Parasitic Power Loss). The biggest removal of P.P.L. is the big beautiful rear glass you call a hatch. However, unless you have at least $400 for a piece of Lexan, forget about it. RicksIroc86 is right. Do that simple stuff first. Then I would recommend you finish the exhaust properly and that includes tossing that stupid smog pump. Not only are you returning your engine to it's original working form but you are removing P.P.L. Remember this statement, "Power is no good unless you can put it to the pavement!" If you are getting rid of the A/C, get rid of all of it (compressor, drier, container, etc.) and slap your deleter pulleys on for your smog pump and A/C.

Then general weight loss. Trust me when I tell you that if you replace those tired shocks and springs, you will feel a completely different car. Like I said earlier, if your back seats are bad and you have no intention of replacing them or getting them reupholstered then get rid of them. If you can live without your spare and tools, get rid of them. If YOU (personally) can stand to lose a few pounds, do it. If somehow by the grace of God you can find fiberglass t-tops at a junkyard (and trust me this would definitly be the grace of God) get 'em. Replacing the brake drums, driveshaft and pulleys is all about weight loss. The less weight the more power to the pavement. I spent roughly about $250 on shocks, springs, bushings etc.

In regards to the pulleys, the lighter weight pulleys are less stress on the engine, hence less weight and more power to the pavement. Less is sometimes.........more. And don't forget to wrap those headers with thermal wraps. Keep that engine temp low. You don't want hot air getting into your intake. Colder air friend, hot air, NOT!

Bottom line, you can only do whatever your budget allows you to do. So first you need to figure how much money you can spend now and that will determine which road you take. Say you only have $500. You can get the exhaust pieces you need for around $400......roughly; going new that is. Leaves you a hundred bucks. Maybe you can get a blaster coil and save up for the rest or maybe you got your hands on a set of aluminum brake drums and regardless you still have to save up for the rest. Most importantly now is YOUR CURRENT BOTTOM LINE!

igotta355z28

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i just breezed over everything else seems like sound advice, and do the tune up, new plugs, wires, rotor and cap, these all wear out, and pcv valve... do get some good 8 or 8.5 mmm wires, u can get a good set of taylor wires from summit for about 25 bucks....better then those accel ones people like to buy from the parts store....

RicksIroc86

yes listen to guru 305 he is a smart man.

kowboy59

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Lol i have ran 06 civic si's the best ones they offer from digs and rolls and beat them. This was when i was a l98 88. I was slow and stock except exhaust. lolI think i was a factory freak.

RicksIroc86

yea man the 350 will beat them stock, the 305 stock wont beat them from a rollof about 70

1fastrock

you should really just race him!!! if you win then thats great and if you lose then you just have that much more motivation to start your rebuild!!

Guro 305

Thank you, I'm flattered! Ok, read through this and you will understand.
If you scroll to the very bottom you will notice there are different flavors for everyones budget. http://www.goingfaster.com/spo/modthel03.html

Enjoy!