v10viper04

funny how i still see no proof, i'll bet that fox has all kinds of subframe connectors and welded-in supports..... the 9 sec one not yours.... and funny how i've been to the track too! wow imagine that! i watched a 04' GT stang run a 14.5 haha. with a decent launch and he even chirped second pretty good. i'm sure that 9 sec car is near stock.... right... sounds just like any other dragster, built to the hill....

fastfbody

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well yea 04 gt mustangs only have 265hp and 302 ft.lbs. seems like a 14.5 car stock.Theres also no way u have spent any real amount of time at a track .anyone who has no stock mustang chassis are fine for a 9 sec car.

v10viper04

yea fine NOT stock.... Stock they will bend to ****... that 04' i referred to was kind of my poke at how stang owners think they are hot ****, almost all of them... and really they arn't unless the car isn't stock. They are all PROCHARGED!!!!! WOOOOO!!!!

25thmustang

You dont go to the track, you dont own a 9 second anything, you dont even have any knowledge of cars.

Please kid, you look so pathetic right now. The day you run 15s come and talk to me, until that day happens, please get off the internet and stop posting your opinion on stuff...

You are a tool, and I think anyone who reads this will know. Congrats on making yourself look retarded on your own web site!

vette9190

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I think what Mr. viper is saying is that a fox can't run 9's without mods to stiffen up the chassis ie: sfc's and/or rollbar or cage. I am not as famaliar with fox bodies as I am with fbodies but they are both unibody cars and prone to twisting when they have more powerfull motors in them. I have personally seen bot a mid 80's mustang and 3rd gen camaro run 9's with no sfc or cages. in fact they were racing eachother. At that speed you can see the cars twisting at launch. infact the camaro shattered both the glass t-tops on launch.
The simple fact is both these cars require chassis renforcing of some type to safely and consistently run 9's

Viper if you went to the track more often you would know this. And there is nothing wrong with a mustang owner being o these boards. Like I love to tell my friends. If your about to race a car wouldn't you like to know what hes got when you look under the hood. I'm a chevy guy but i visit mustang boards and read mustang mags so that when i race one I know if I stand a chance. it has saved me more then a little $$$ over the years. I have owned 4 3rd gens over the years while most of my friends have had stangs. I always knew more about there cars then they knew about mine bc they were so close minded about it. and no I was not always faster then them. So I and many others on these boards appreciate when a stang owner posts up here bc he knows better then us what those cars are capable of.
25thmustang I don't think you even need to respond to this guy anymore he has more then shown his ignorance of cars

StrokerZ-28

Wow, this thread has taken an interesting turn. From getting beat, to a fast Mustang, talk about vipers, and chasis reinforcement concerns...

Back to the original question...as much as it hurts, you lost the race. It doesn't mean that under other circumstances or whatever you would lose again, but that particular race, you lost. I have both beaten and lost to a friend of mine's 06 GT...it's weird, but that's how it goes down. Sure, maybe if I'd have done something different the times I lost, I could've won, but who can tell.

Focus on the future intex1982, and what you want to do to make your car better than it is now, you can't dwell on a past loss...that's all you can do...good luck with your mods and give those mustangs hell!!

25thmustang

Its funny because BOTH Fbodies and Fox Bodies need the same chassis work to run the same numbers, yet this child thinks the Fbody is worlds apart from a fox and wouldnt need the same work. Of course our 9 second car has a 6 point (soon to be a 10), welded subframes, and seams in the back, but you better believe and Fbody would need the same reinforcements... But Im sure Viper owner has worked on many 9 second Fbodies and Fox Bodies to know the difference...

fastfbody

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best part is that viper is acting like cars that u want chassis upgrades to run 9s with means they suck lol.theres not to many cars that can pull a 9 safely on a stock chassis.I know for a fact a fbodys and fox bodys can with unmodded chassis but it gets a bit unsafe.

25thmustang

Only morons are out there with no subframes in a unibody car trying to run those numbers...

Im sure Viper boy knows that though. His Viper probably runs 9s from the factory!

v10viper04

you are quite a know-it-all arn't you? yes you are i forgot you know everything, and from a fact standpoint an F-body chassis ais stronger than a fox chassis.... you don't need to go to the track everyday to know about cars.... duh! you can get all the info and more than you'll ever need on the internet. and i have been to the track, and 25thmustang you proved my point that a fox needs sfc's and rollcage to run 9's like i was stating. and you defend stangs to the death like i also stated. i wasn't starting an argument but you have shown me what i originally said about you, you jump in when an f-body is beat by a stang, and the other way around you question... whatever with this argument its stupid, and i'm not an idiot, your just downing on me to make yourself feel better. just b/c you work on 9 sec cars doesn't make you smart, i know lots of racers around here who are f'in morons....
and i do respect fast cars, my friend has a Talon AWD that runs low 13's while taking FOREVER to shift gears and a **** launch, its fast as hell! thats a nice car,but it ticks me off when immature ppl don't know how to respond so they call ppl dumb, when actaully they are the non-intellectual ones.... hmmmm
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actually i'll bet there ore dozens are cars that can do that....

v10viper04

And all that you have shown me is that your nothing but a *****, a guy who prolly works on his daddy's car and thinks he knows everything about cars(that was an example), just like any 15 yr old i have talked to. I don't know everything but i know a hell of a lot for being my age. o your like what 22-23? o **** i forgot ppl those ages know everything.... sorry man sorry

danandamy

Not to get into the middle of this pissing contest or anything but I will say this, as we own a fox body and an f body gm. First off, neither of our cars is anywhere near what would be considered fast but we're not stock either. I love both cars to be honest with you but having worked on both my opinion is the fox is a better platform to start from. Now I'm not an expert and am not claiming to be but we do spend quite a bit of time at the track and I must not be the only one who has come to the same conclusion because I see more fox bodys than probably any other car there.

Dan

v10viper04

you know why its a better platform? b/c there are SO MANY stang parts out there, they are cheaper and more readily available.... the F-body platform is stronger and better handling and car and driver said that..

bart91406

I have never owned a fox body, so I do not know a lot about them so correct me If I am wrong, but they are considerably lighter than an f-body right? I have seen more mustangs pop there hatches ,lose sunroofs, and twist on launces than camaros, and have always been amazed how they can pull back up to the line straightened back out. I have always wanted one though, they have a good rear suspension, parts are really cheap, and they are really good looking cars.

ERICSCHEVY

MidnightBlue07

I never had a Fox body, but I have a bunch of friends that do, I own a 86 Iroc and a 05 GT, also having some encounters with trying to launch my camaro right, I would say get some good DRs/ sticky tires, and find ur cars sweet spot with the throttle to get out of the hole.


My camaro is a mildly modded LB9 and my slighty modded GT is still faster,
but my Z could do one hell of a burnout

87IROCZCamro

Its one guy, let it go and get someone else.

camaroal9668

Mustangs are a good platform for drag racing because they are light as hell and yes they are a dime a dozen, which is why I would never build one. Ford has always been behind with the power they put in their Mustangs. Back in the day they were awesome cars but now that they have established a name, they must feel they don't have the need to produce a powerful car anymore. Why would I pay over $50k for a GT500 that puts out under 500hp and needs forced induction to it. Look at a stock 4th gen Camaro Vs a stock GT no chance. Even with Chevy taking 7 years to make their new model, Ford will once again be behind in performance. The SS will be N/A 422 Hp and the GT will still be a measly 300hp 320 ft lbs tq. Just think, in March a V6 Camaro will have more horsepower than the GT.

No car is going in the 9's without chassis reinforcement and their is one hue reason. IT IS NOT LEGAL. NHRA doesn't allow you to run under 10.0 without the proper chassis certification. And if for some reason you tried to lie about how fast it is and ran in the 9's without the proper equipment you are a MORON and you are putting your own life at risk and then they will kick you off the track.

25thmustang

Not sure if your talking to me, but the car is legal to 10.0 @ 135, and guess what it ran before that race... 10.000 @ 135. This past race (first season, still sorthing it out) it went 9.93 and 10.02. Not sure that the 9.93 is that much more dangerous than the 10.0 it's legal for, but the paper work and roll cage stuff is in and ready to go! You don't go run 9s and skirt the officials, if your not legal, you get tossed...

Viper you have gone a long way on making yourself look dumb. All I did was fuel your fire and you burned yourself. You know nothing about comparing two chassis. Sure I'm older, but I was your age once, had a 12 second fox body at that time too . I had rebuilt a dozen or so motors, redone rear ends... I didn't sit on forums and the internet and read things.

Why are there soo many Mustangs at the track, they made a lot of them, they are easy to make fast, cheap to make fast and have a great platform to begin with. A stock 4 link, toss in a set of SFCs and the chassis is fine. Hell our 12.14 car doesnt even have subframes. No twisting on its wheels up launches either... go figure.

Well keep on telling people what Mustangs can, can't do, and don't do when someone asks... No need to hear from experience, hear it from the intranet!

camaroal9668

I was making a generalized statement. I don't make the rules, I am just saying you need special certification to go under 10.00. You can get in just as bad of an accident going 10.00 as apposed to your 9.93, you would have to ask the NHRA why there cut offs are the way they are.

11ellswrob

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well well well...look 25thmustang and viper....look man I'm only 16 and I know I don't know everything abd when ayone with more experience and a brain tells me something I shut up and listen...u gotta humble yourself and learn......

v10viper04

There's no proof he knows more, he just makes me look dumb by twisting what i say. And i did not burn myself, but you did make yourself look like a stuck up *****. And yes there are a lot of stangs out there, i see one on every freakin road i turn onto, funny how most f-bodys and stangs i see out there are all V6's... plus, i started off by telling 25th to calm down(in a nice way) and he started with his "your stupid and i know more than you" ****.... so whatever this is so ridiculously stupid......

Vash Vega

lol another mustang vs ??? debate, there only good in a straight line but they have trouble doing that with that shitty *** quadrabind setup (4 link) go google quadrabind you'll find out more, there not worth **** that's why you can make em fast for so cheap, they're so ugly and cheap looking i think "ford" was happy when they redesign that pos that can't take a basic corner, so many people died from that pos with its unpredictable rearend suspension and handling. The foxbody is nothing more than a economy car with a big motor.

Chevy 4 life

91z 2 8

This thread is soo off topic now

intex1982

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ok found my problem i had my choke partly closed. went to drag strip last night and run a 9.2 at 77 mph but didnt get to mess with it bc it rained out it after that but took it to the strip today check over the car and found the choke. ran today a 8.603 at 83 mph

91z 2 8

So are you gonna race him at the track or what??

intex1982

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not going to worry about racing him

91z 2 8

Yea those are fast but not that fast my dad has a 06 GT with cia and slp axel back Since your hevaily moded you could eat him


i know a car that could give you a run for your money tho.

intex1982

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lol my daliy driver aint.

25thmustang

They are the same thing as an Fbody, other than being better platform for drag racing. The Fbodies handle better, but who's talking about taking corners here??? Not sure how many people "died" because of the fox bodies suspension... They had the same chassis until 2004... just wow

Wow, some of the members on this site are sad. Thank god I only come here for comic relief, and only rely on about 5 members for valid knowledge!

v10viper04

see again you proved your a ***** and AGAIN proved most stang owners "know everything"... and if you haven't noticed until 2005 stangs sucked, not bad looking but slow, and the new 05+ stang can barely keep up with LS1's....sad.....

camaroal9668

That is wow. Sad wow actually, to know they put a supercharged engine on such an outdated chassis. Then again their supercharged hp ratings are just as sad as those that come out of a 5.0.

So there are six of you on this site with mustangs.

All your knowledge is about mustangs anyway, not that we care. Last time I checked this is a Camaro/Firebird forum. There are so many of you with these shitboxes there should be some site you can find to brag about your knowledge.

11ellswrob

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wow this thread officially sucks........nice to know you fixed a problem with ur car man...good for you and good luck...

Fast355

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I am laughing here, both of these cars are uni-bodys and BOTH stock chassis flex and move under higher power. I recently got to see a 3rd gen F-body AND a Fox body mustang, both with modified LQ4 6.0 chevy power race head to head. Both chassis were highly modified and the T-top camaro was still visibly flexing.

25thmustang

The fox body chassis sucks just as much as the Fbody chassis, anyone who thinks different needs to get off the internet and look at both cars.

There are 5 members with knowledge on the Fbodies, the rest of you guys know nothing about any cars it seems... There are maybe 3 on here with knowledge of fox bodies and Mustangs in general.

Imagine if those people werent here... the information that would be posted... wow. Noone would have ANY clue on anything to do with Mustangs. Guys would probably still think they have 5.0s in them.

camaroal9668

The fox body chassis sucks just as much as the Fbody chassis, anyone who thinks different needs to get off the internet and look at both cars.

I have hands on experience because I build my race cars. I don't need the internet, I just get a kick out of people like you who cant seem to find a site for their own vehicle.

There are 5 members with knowledge on the Fbodies, the rest of you guys know nothing about any cars it seems... There are maybe 3 on here with knowledge of fox bodies and Mustangs in general.

Why do you need info on F-Bodies anyway, you don't seem to own one. Unless you just like to know how far behind you are with your car

Imagine if those people werent here... the information that would be posted... wow. Noone would have ANY clue on anything to do with Mustangs. Guys would probably still think they have 5.0s in them.

Everyone know they stopped making them with 5 point slows. When you learn how to read a sentence, get back to me.

intex1982

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lol aint fixed it yet. when i use my choke it stinks closed alittle. my choke cable wont push it all the way back open to where my choke locks in places. so it will stop at the point right before it locks it open. u have do it by hand!

v10viper04

you need to get that fixed man! haha good luck with it!




"The fox body chassis sucks just as much as the Fbody chassis, anyone who thinks different needs to get off the internet and look at both cars.

There are 5 members with knowledge on the Fbodies, the rest of you guys know nothing about any cars it seems... There are maybe 3 on here with knowledge of fox bodies and Mustangs in general.

Imagine if those people werent here... the information that would be posted... wow. Noone would have ANY clue on anything to do with Mustangs. Guys would probably still think they have 5.0s in them." -25thmustang



Funny how the fox chassis is worse, your just calling us all dumb b/c it makes you feel better, and why do you think your so smart? "b/c i work on a 9 sec car!" doesn't make you smart.....

25thmustang

Explain how it's worse, factually of course, not opinion based... I will gladly sit here and wait while you tell me exactly all the things that make the Fbody better and the Fox Body worse.





Why do I think I'm smart, because you wont see misinformation come from me. I know something before I speak about it. You on the other hand obviousely don't. Not to mention my GPA in college told me I have a little bit of knowledge .

Please explain to me how you think your smart? Maybe after you answer why the Fbody chassis from the late 80s early 90s was better than the fox chassis. Oh yeah I'm an engineer, so feel free to use some formulas to prove this point!

v10viper04

I'm sure your an engineer, cause you seem pretty stupid to me.... and GPA's mean nothing there bud, only that you payed attention in college. your just pissed cause you can't take the idea that the F-body is better.... You stang rules the earth according to you.... and again i forgot you know everything about everything cause you work on a 9 sec car. hahaha I'll bet you change the tires for your daddy and say you are head engineer on the car. hahaha

camaro_mann

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mustang man go to your mustang websites, we dont care about fords...we talk about real cars here so hit the exit button

25thmustang

Nope, just an engineer for a firm...

Again I dont see any PROOF the Fbody is better, just some children shouting and whining. If you show me proof, that hands down the Fbody is a far superior platform, I will gladly accept it.

My car doesn't rule anything, Mustangs are nothing special, just cheap and easy to make fast. There are millions of better cars, hell I like my daily driver better for most things than the Mustang. But I wouldnt expect blind brand loyal people to agree. Could you redily admit the Fbody is nothing special? Lets here it?

camaro_mann, Im on a few Mustang sites, the difference is there are Fbody owners there who dont get flamed, and their knowledge is appreciated... But then again I'm just a kid changing daddys tires who doesnt know anything, right?

HAHA

v10viper04

precisely, and why should i have to explain it? if the Fox is the same then prove to me how, it goes either way dude.... and all i've seen from your posts is that "you know everything" so apparently your stuck up, and you proved that... i'm not a blind brand loyalist, i give respects when they are due, but i see the fox as a worse platform than the Fbody and that's never going to change...My friend has a nasty Talon and i don't even bother just having fun with him cause i get wasted..... and i do like fox body stangs they arn't bad looking but as far as i've ever read and seen they twist more than an F-body and they handle worse, and not to mention skinnier therefore a contibutor to the terrible handling they are known for. I know handling isn't all and i'm not saying it is but it has a lot to do with everything. and you stated that they used the same platform until 2004? Thats just downright sad...... best they could come up with until they FINALLY figured out the platform wasn't very good, and upped it.

Jason1313

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Allright, someones going to take offensive to this no matter what, so hear goes.

25thMustang, you and Viper were the only ones arguing from what I could tell until you insulted the majority of the board by saying only 5 people on this board knows anything about cars and that you only come here for comic relief. So you shouldn't have been suprised that others started jumping in and flameing you.

Viper, 25thMustang obviously has alot of knowledge about Fox bodies considering he has owned and worked on so many. So, accept the fact and move on. The truth of the matter is there both unibodies and both benefit from reinforcement, nuff said.

v10viper04

Good point, but again just b/c you own the vehicle doesn't mean you know EVERYTHING about it like he claims to... so whatever this is a stupid argument. I'm good, i made my point.

Klewis89RS

Why so many Mustang lovers in a Thirdgen forum? Are there no Stang forums? Moreover, why act so surprised when there is a crap ton of people defending Thirdgens over Mustangs? Its a Thirdgen Forum

25thmustang

Not sure when I said I know everything about them... but feel free to quote me on that?

Viper, you honestly know nothing about Mustangs other than opinion, and I'm unsure how you can base an opinion without having knowledge. Have you ever been under one, looked under the hood, sat in one? Most likely the answer is no, so basing them being a worse platform on the fact you like Fbodies better is laughable at best. You did make your point, you have an opinion based off NO facts whatsoever, and continue to try and spread rumors the Fbody is a stronger platform... But continue, this is getting good!

I love coming here, it really does brighten my day! The majority of posters in this section prove time and time again their intelligence, and I am far from the only person who sees this. Has nothing to do with the car I own, has to do with reading what people write.

Also its funny, where have I put down thirdgens in here, other than saying the chassis on them is NO better than a fox bodies... once again lets see the quote! I also didn't say a fox body was anything special, it isn't the chassis is no better, but the platform is set up for drag racing which is where this all sprung from...

Continue, I enjoy it!

v10viper04

The fox chassis isn't even a good drag body, it flexes like all ungodly hell. F-body will to but not as much. I've time and time again that the F-body is stronger, and i stand by that. I have been in a mustang and seen under the hood, they handle like crap. bottom line, stock they are nothing at all. See and you just insulted a lot of ppl on here.

"I love coming here, it really does brighten my day! The majority of posters in this section prove time and time again their intelligence, and I am far from the only person who sees this. Has nothing to do with the car I own, has to do with reading what people write." -25thmustng

and again your proving you a stuck up stang owner like just about all the rest of the stang owners. and usually reading about fox chassis's in a car and driver or equivalent they don't lie. So again based on fact, you need to learn to grow up. You act like such a 3 yr old. You DON'T NKOW EVERYTHING, don't cry but its true....

Vash Vega

The rear suspension is arthritically bound by Fords dumb-but-cheap 20-plus-year-old suspension geometry and has a lousy roll-center height to boot. The front suspension has poor camber gain and carries anti-Ackermann. The two suspensions working together do only one thing well, and that’s promote tire-grinding understeer (push), followed by snap oversteer (loose, fishtailing). Nearly impossible to consistently take to the limit, the Mustang suspension is known for its ability to grind off the front tires in two laps of hard road-course work, all the while providing the driver with a nervous, fishtailing ride that’s big on adrenaline but woefully short on letting the driver use all the tires have to offer

v10viper04

quite the mouthfull haha