Me vs a 88 gt 5.0 306 huge cam,full suspension,full bolt on mustang,my car looks kinda crappy cause im in the middle of getting it ready for paint next week,but a good race none the less.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aluCV...e=channel_page

nice win

i like how the guy spits on the camera.

nice win btw

yeah thats my younger brother,he baught me the car like 7 years ago and has helped me build it up, he gets a lil excited when he see's it race lol

word , lol chevy power.

Cool, took a while to get to the actual race, but nice win. Any idea what the Mustang ACTUALLY has done? Bolt ons and a 306 mean nothing to me, as every Mustang guy has a different idea of what "bolt ons" mean.

yep hes got an edelbrock intake and plenum,coolant bypassed bbk/edelbrock 70mm throttle body,aftermarket maf sensor dont know what brand but it had chrome ends,underdrive pulley,k&n ram air setup,accel coil,bbk long tube headers,x-pipe,flowmasters,huge cam not sure what size but it had a real choppy idle to it,3000 stall,shift kit,3.73's,dyno tune,he said it had about 385hp at the crank,he also said he had full suspension but i didnt look at what all he had under there,and he had a fuel pressure gauge hooked up so im guessing he also had an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and he said it was bored to a 306,thats all to my knowledge,not sure what all he has done internally besides the cam but it was the closest race i've had yet.

now that everyone has said what a great job you did - and i love a good race, but how about a track? someplace where you cant kill some one, like some farmers kid that runs out into the rural road, or pulls out with a trailer not thinking anyone is there, and any number of things that happen to kill and maim people for life.

First off i do race at the track and second this is the STREET RACING forum so what do ya expect?, there were no houses or children any where close,the only people that would get hurt if anything happened would be the people in the cars and maybe some corn lol,and the people in the cars are all adults fully aware of the risk,i'm not a 17 year old kid out street racing in town on busy highways and neither is the guy in the stang,we had a little dispute and we settled it and no one got hurt so relax dude.

Good post bmfIROC-Z.

congrats on the win and a LARGER congrats on being mostly safe about it.

Good Race. My 5.0 buddy still has fantasies over beating me... Hasn't happened yet...

Do you know what you are running in the 1/4?

He has stock heads, well there you go! Nice win, but those mods with untouched original heads, probably a mid 13 second car. The cam would hurt his performance, and 385 at the crank is a JOKE. He is probably 230 at the wheels at the most. Your friend thinks he has more power than he actually does...

i barely know the guy and i said i didn't know what else he had done internally besides the cam ,i didnt look or ask about the heads that doesnt mean he has stock untouched heads,and 230whp now thats a frickin JOKE LOL,no way in hell that that car would stay that close with 230whp sorry but it just wouldn't happen!! im at roughly 330-340 whp you do the math,i raced a 00' trans am ws6 m6 with full bolt ons dyno tune & 4.11's dynoed in at 400hp @ the crank and i beat him by 6-7 car lengths and as you saw this race was quite a bit closer so i seriously doubt that he has all that done with stock untouched heads or that that cam is HURTING his performance,i think your just salty cause you just saw a mustang get spanked,its ok dude it happens.

lol,yeah i got a couple buddies like that, i havent taken my car to the track since the lt1 swap & cam etc,but im guessing mid 12's-low 13's.

Great race.

And for all you Chevy hating Ford guys and Ford hating Chevy guys, there is no loss in this race, as long as a domestic wins, its a win win situation.

Also 230 would be basically stock...that thing ripped ***, I'd believe the 385 to crank which would average to about 355 at the wheels give or take a few.

More more more.....

And how is it we always get a street racing hater in the street racing section? Maybe there should be a Track Racing Thread to keep all of them happy. You can't stop Street Racing.

Figure this, a stock 5.0 with an auto is 180 rwhp (225 at the crank, minus 20% loss through the drivetrain). Add in the intake, cam and bolt ons and you think he gained 130 rwhp (assuming 20% drivetrain loss from 385 flywheel hp)??? Do you really think this???

Also having a "lumpy" cam if he indeed has stock heads HURTS. Why? Well stock valve springs don't do so well with a big lift cam. You have to match your VSs to your cam especially when we are talking old worn out parts!

Also go around and ask about a 306 with a HCI and a stalled auto, you wont find a lot of them in the 310-330 rwhp mark unless they have some really good parts and compression...

Not "salty", just trying to prove things about the flaws in your story.

BTW the mid 12 to low 13 second goal sounds fun, right where my car runs with the stock heads, cam and some bolt ons! But afterall, I'm "salty" about some random race between two cars! LOL

Continue.

355 to the tires, do you guys KNOW what your talking about, or did you guess this from a car driving by a camera??? Holy Crap!!!

I love coming to the street racing forum, always someone getting mad at someone else or at least insulting one another. And always the guy who doesn't like street racing, but comes on this board anyway! Thanks for all of the entertainment, keeps me laughing... By the way Good win bmfl !!!

you keep saying stock heads but you know nothing about this car except for what i told you over a computer,and actually everything under the hood of the mustang is brand new like 2000 miles new,it doesnt matter what you think i know whats up and im not gonna sit and argue over a computer about it ,i won thats all that matters and i know there is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO WAY that that mustang would stay that close to my car with 230whp on the street on street tires i promise no matter what you think ,do YOU honestly think that that mustang would stay that close to my car with 230whp?,if you were closer i'd say throw some street tires on your stang and come see how you stack up, and yes "salty" you are everytime i see any f-body vs mustang thread i see you on there tryin to discredit everybodies stories and make excuses for why the stang lost,if thats the way it is why are you here?and what flaws in my story are you talking about?i just told you what i saw and what the guy told me, you just keep insisting it has stock heads with no more than 230whp and thats why it lost ,talk about guessing from a car driving by a camera.

you know what 25thmustang im gonna do ya a favor next time i race a mustang im gonna do a thorough documentation of the mustang and its driver so theres hopefully no confusion or excuses to be made,just for you

Im gonna have to agree with 25thmustang. You said on post #14 you beat a full bolt on LS-1 by 6-7 car lengths? BS You also said your car has roughly 330-340 at the wheels? No doubt that mustang has no more than 250rwhp. Unless your car is magic lets see some dyno sheets instead of throwing out BS stories.

why do mustangs get so mad to hear that a mustang actually lost. you own a mustang and your on a third gen camaro web site haha. enough said

that all? I thought 5.0's would be closer to 200 whp with auto. I know they are lighter cars than fbodys but even an auto 5.0 i thought would beat 305 TPI's and they are close to 200whp on some models

But 230whp also seems abit light for those bolt ons. You know the mustang crowd more than me, i just would have expected more power. Everyone tells me 5.0's with bolt ons will out run L98's with boltons and you yourself has a 'light' modded 5.0 thats in the mid 12's. My full bolt on L98 was only able to touch a 12.95 in perfect air and i'm sure a mild cam would have gotten me a few more tenths but i still got 40+ more inches to play with

ok im lyin wtf ever dude,yes i did beat that full bolt on ls1 by 6-7 car lengths and yes he dynoed at 400 crank hp and yes im at roughly 330-340whp so throw BS around all you want i dont care,im done arguing and explaining myself,ya'll can believe whatever you want.

oh whats this? a pic of my magic car and the ls1 that recieved the 6-7 car length beat down,beware more BS coming at ya.

most full bolt on LS1's are 330-340whp range.

hotcammed LT1 is close to the same power... usually 330 is expected.

In a lighter car i think it would be a good race but 6-7 lengths seems abit much is the ls1 a stick shift car? could he drive it well? Or was the race from a dig and he couldnt launch?

Then again, people do tend to exaggerate exactly how far a carlength is

Exactly, going by what you said, you were listing his coolant bypassed throttle body, yet don't know what HEADS the car has??? Really? Someone would mention their free mod before the HEADS on the car? So no I'm not guessing off a video, I'm going by common sense here.

Think about this for a minute, try and wrap your brain around it. 225 crank hp stock for a 5.0 Mustang. 15% drivetrain loss for a stick, 20% for an auto. Now lets do the math, 225 x 0.85 = 191.25. This is a good guess of where a stick shift 5.0 would be at the rear wheels. 225 x 0.80 = 180. This is a good guess of where a stock auto 5.0 would be at the rear wheels. Toss on some top end bolt ons, intake, exhaust, and a cam that is NOT designed for the stock valve springs (no mention of heads, even though we know he has a coolant bypass and a coil), now remember a larger converter is going to affect the rwhp numbers... SO how much power do these mods add? You guys are thinking around 130 or so? I'm gussing more along the lines of 50 rwhp.

Do I think 230 rwhp would run with you? Sure. I make 256 rwhp with mine and run in the 12s on 18" street radials. I have run with and beat a few LS1s in my time.

I don't care if the Mustang lost, after all I saw the video and even congradulated you on it... what I care about is knowing what the car has done. What is the point of a race if you don't know the other guys mods. Sure you beat his car, I never questioned that, but if the guy had stock heads on it, and 230 rwhp... that is to be expected.

Again nice kill, maybe find out if the guy has heads on it, and not where the coolant goes, or what coil manufacturer he uses?

yeah its a 6 speed and that race was from a dig and he hasnt had the car long so he's prolly couldnt launch the best and i know what a car length is,i beat him by about double what i beat the stang maybe not 6-7 car lengths but pretty close to it,but i will say from a roll me and that ls1 are about dead even.

i'm not even gonna comment on this one.

You could find out what heads the guy has and it will very likely change things around. If not, then I guess expect to beat every near 400 hp Mustang out there!

Boy, that pic alone just makes that entire story true.

oh i will definately be finding out what heads hes got next time i talk to him.

you know ford boys still don't get power to weight ratio, and all a mustang is, is a souped up dodge k car,grow up and get a mans car.... CAMARO enough said.

I wonder what would happen if we put all of you guys in one room together? I can't even follow this thread anymore, I gotto go relax....

lol,that would be more fun

newby here,im bmf's brother and the camera man in this video and i just joined because of all the smack talkin , i had a big hand in helping build his car and i even am the one that bought it for him which he already stated but any way i was in the car when he stomped that FULL BOLT ON ls1 by 6-7car leangths so say what you will but i am a witness to his cars power. and oh btw heres the ls1's owners myspace if anyone wants to ask him personally about it . http://www.myspace.com/fbracing1222 his name is jason williams.deuces

good kill, and 25th is rite with the drivetrain loss and all but it is possible that that car has lets say 250-280 or so horsepower at the wheels, if he's lucky, and remember the foxs are quite a bit lighter then our cars and its power to weight ratio that matters boys, but once again good deal.

Good input to this thread! Then explain why I have been mid 12s with 256 rwhp? I must not get the whole power to weight ratio (by the way, my car is fully loaded with leather, CD, power seats, just an FYI)



If the guy has a good set of heads it changes things, but I would think he would have mentioned those before mentioning some of the smaller, useless mods first, unless he was planning to lie and try to take you down in a race?

and your point is!... stock mustang vs stock iroc per say the mustang is lighter, right or wrong, listen you take 200 lbs and stuff it in the back of a mustang and see what happens.

Yes it is, so then your saying the Mustang is better because of the power to weight, or that it sucks, but only because it is light it is as fast? I'm really lost as to what your talking about, and not sure if your agreeing or arguing with me? I never denied a Mustang being heavier than a thirdgen???

BTW I have put 200 lbs in the trunk of my car before. I was at a race where I had to meet a certain weight. They tacked on 50 lbs for my long tubes, 50 lbs for not having tailpipes, and 100 lbs for something else (Literally stuffed weights, lead and even old rolls of carpet in the trunk)... Needless to say the car ran half a tenth to a tenth slower (12.6s that day vs the 12.5s it ran lighter). So at 3400 lbs it went 12.6x (I believe it was actually a 12.62, but don't quote me on that). Is that a fair comparison or no??

no I'm not saying that a mustang is better than a camaro cause its not. I'm saying that a mustang is lighter! so that in all fairness it should be faster in a straight line, but if you equal the weight out, the camaro is just as or faster that the mustang, and that is to stock cars with nothing done to them, i have raced many stangs and know what I'm talking about.

The mustang is a full option car a/c,power everything,and my race weight is 3440lbs,so i doubt he's really that much lighter than my car,btw i got your BOYS hangin' little boy.

I get this now, but then again why are we talking about could haves and would haves?

I assumed you knew the mods of every Mustang you raced, which is where my whole point stemmed from. Without knowing everything done to the other car, the race is fun and all but proves very little...

I also have NO idea about all the little boy comments... so... yeah I guess.

you sure run your mouth alot dont ya?i wish you were closer so i could shut you up.

Hate to say this but fox body is better drag platform than thirdgens..although its close, fox has many advantages, mainly its weight and bigger rear

ls1 fox bodies are killers.

stangs are still only good on straight roads where as a camaro will straighten them. anyway you win some, you lose some, that's just the nature of the beast.