ShMaCk2004

I don't get what is going on in a dude's mind when he pulls up next to me in a honda whatever model and revs at me, light turns green and no matter how hard they try they can't even come close to keeping up. I mean even at idle my car isn't very quiet with the LS1 and straight through exhaust. It's like they think a civic is some kind of race car or something. I have buddies that have modded hondas but at least they know not to try to get down on cars like mine. I just don't get why most honda owners do that it just doesn't make sense.

InfernalVortex

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My Honda is faster than my thirdgen...

To 60 mph anyway...

RED_DRAGON_85

you can beat a camaro to 60 on that thing?
i would think more like 45

tpivette89

not all Hondas are fart tipped, stickered POS's. i ran into one at a stoplight a few weeks ago that beat me by a car length thru the top of third gear. my car is a 98 Z28 that puts down 410rwhp, so for a Honda to beat me... from a stop even... is pretty impressive

fast Hondas are out there, you just havent run into one yet

v10viper04

They are mostly riced out slow POS's but there are quick ones out there i agree. One of the guys i work with has a 98 Civic with an Integra Type R engine swap and he runs a 14.1. And that's an N/A 4 cylinder. That's good for the 4 cylinder world. That's in LT1 Camaro territory. I don't like the car but you gotta have respect where its due.

RS Chris

Man its so obvious... The whole thing in caused by all the lame a$$ fast and furious movies. These idiot kids watched it one to many times and now they think $500 in autozone acceseries makes for a fast car. You know what Im talking about? The matching flame graphic seat covers, steering wheel cover, and floor mats, euro tailights, plastic pedal covers, 747 wing, and of course the 700hp adding fart cannons. Its rediculous. Oh... I forgot to add big huge tach so you watch how slow the rpms climb.

I agree too there are some fast ones, just not sure where. Most of them are loud and obnoxious. I don't remeber where I saw or read it but, someone said basically that "horsepower makes noise, no the other way around." Now that I think about it I saw a 4dr Corsica last night with a fart tube on it, and the guy was delivery driver for Papa Johns I think.

Shadow Z

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No.. Definitely not.. Back in my days of owning a bike, I owned a YZ250 two stroke. Pretty basic mods, pro circuit pipe, larger jet. It made 52 Horsepower stock, and weighed I believe 220 with a full tank of gas. I was never beaten by any car from 0-60. My bike topped out at around 70 MPH if I'd really ring it out, up to around 9,000-10,000 RPM.





The stickers made it fast........

Thirdgen89GTA

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Ricers existed before the F&F movies. I can remember quiet a few 80's cars with huge wings, fat rear tires, and v6's under the hood with lights, stickers and such. And bright neon paint jobs.

They've been around, its just they are building on something else.

Blown84Bird

LOL big tires on the back of fwd

yamban

One of my friends just got a 96 civic vtec with an air filter. Its not a very fast car but he thinks its crazy fast. I haven't had a chance to run with him, but he thinks that his car will spank mine off the start and I'll catch him on the higher end (stock 350TPI shift-kit/headers/exhaust). LOL

Ive been beaten by a honda once... I pulled up to a stoplight with an integra that looked stock (wasn't riced up). He was revving his engine lightly so I knew it was on. I stepped on it and off the line I must have gotten at least 2 car on him but out of no where he catches up and passes me like I was casually driving. But wow those cars rev so high. He sounded like he was was hitting 8+K.... then there's me with choked up 350

Although even with my setup, I've beat quite a few hondas. Its kind of exciting because sometimes you'll have more of a race than you think

dudeman

my favorite is when they all meet up at the local wawa at nite with their neon lights and hoods popped reving up the whole time raving about v-taakk...always puts a smile on my face

Thirdgen89GTA

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All it takes for a Integra to beat a stock L98 is a turbo kit of ebay. And they are out there cheap.

The $500 kits on ebay that won't last, are enough to take an older civic and put it in the low 14s easy.

This is severely built, but i give you Cheesefrog's civic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGlVBnbWL0

Carlos773

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Even then sadly no one around here besides I think one have actually thought about it and have installed a system like that. I have a friend that I have known for a while and he bs about how he has a 20B in his 80's mazda rx7 while his exterior looks like my ***.

That aside, Its sad when I have never experienced this being in my area where ricers are all over the place. When I was driving my Cam I would never see one. While I'm in my GMC Jimmy I can't keep count of them. The thing is, the ones here are mainly my people (fellow mexicans) and they don't mean any harm just the way they are. While kids my age are the real jackasses.

I have said it for a while, I wouldn't mind a hatch or civic for a dd beater. I drove a 94 Sentra 2.4l for a few weeks when I started to learn to drive and it was a good car, even when you decided to have fun in it. Sadly enough even with a stock muffler, it still had a fart cannon sound.

InfernalVortex

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You'd be surprised... Mine's only a 125, but still these things are geared to accelerate on command. About 35 hp and 200 lbs... thats a hell of a power to weight ratio to argue with combined with the gearing these things have.

I wouldnt trade my RS for a Honda any day, but Im a fan of their bikes.

And the most important part - my bike is RWD. Wrong wheel drive performance is a waste of time in the big picture. It's like a road race car with a slushbox.

yamban

I agree... I had a 2006 KTM 125 that thing hauled major ***. Makes me wonder what its like to ride a 250+! I now have a 1999 yamaha banshee, and I am pretty confident that it could spank my IROC to 100km. Those quads are stupid fast...

Shadow Z

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It's neat. Really neat. I was scared of it when I first bought my YZ250 two stroke back in summer of 2007.

jaygt

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ls1 in a iroc is slow. why would you think its fast? my stock light civic with a prelude driveline swap did 12.9 109 at the track 1/4 mile. then i put a 75 shot of nos on it. sorry dude if you tried to race me with your car you would loose.

Thirdgen89GTA

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An LS1 in an IROC would be 12's at about 110mph. With manifolds. I've seen it, and others have too.

Congrats on your 12.9 @ 109. Can we move past the one-upmanship?

ShMaCk2004

LS1 slow??? I think not

zachkuby87

all ricers are is souped up lawnmowers... there are few fast ones out there but thats probably 1 out of lets say every 200ish.. i know a ton of guys like that that think there hondas are fast the best one is my buddys honda accord wagon its pretty hillarious cold air intake fart can tinted the windows himself retarded loud stereo with about 14,000 tweaters and 2 12''s hid headlight kit stickers the whole 9 yards he tries to race ppl all the time its pretty entertaining...

Shadow Z

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LOL yeah, slow, right! A 2002 Camaro SS is a 3,400 pound car that does a low 13 second quarter mile with that SLOW LS1. Most low optioned IROC's are in the 3,200-3,300 pound range.

Are you also forgetting that IROC's are also one of the BEST handling cars that GM has ever produced? They handle .92 G's on the skidpad and have a slalom speed of I believe 63.6 MPH. With 220 BHP, and the very unefficient automatic drivetrain, they achieved a top speed of 149.2 MPH.

So tell me, how the hell can it be slow by adding 100+ Horsepower, while also shedding weight with the aluminum block of the LS1?! Please make some sense....

TACGNOL

Yea brah, da LS1's is da slowzy yo dog word yo homie...
Can you come over and help me with my latest swap? Im throwin out teh LSlow to swap in a 45Jzxq6KRtard jdm f@ggot motor? Im going to keep it all JDM TYTE YO. I knowz it will run at least in da 7's around over 9000 mph!!

Thirdgen89GTA

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Turbo 4 banger (props, lots of work done, and it is fast) vs Turbo El Ess Juan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGc6LxzFW-Q

Notice the TransAm hit the brakes well before the end of the 1/4 mile. He had to stay out of the 9's because he didn't have his license yet. (Yes, you need a license to run 9s)

But even so, I wouldn't try to take the cavy in the video I posted, that car is seriously quick, his best that day was a 11.8 around 117mph.

ShMaCk2004

you know i was to lazy to say all that, but thanks

iroc stangs

i really think he's trying to act like the honda guys do, either that or he's one of them, god i hope not!

yamban

relax everyone... hes just another misinformed honda guy.. go easy

$750 L98

I have a cam only LQ9 swapped Formula at about 3100lbs, I've never heard it called slow, and it makes a stock LS1 seem like a gentle, smooth Prius. Now if by slow you mean having a hard time getting traction as you do a rolling burnout on street tires past most "racers"....

zachkuby87

the biggest drifference between us (3rd gen owners) and them (R-icers) is when we get a new camaro firebird or just about any american muscle car and decide we wanna build it up and make a quick car we aim to get 10's 11's maybe even 12 second quarter mile times our first time out.. they get a new honda theyre goal is hopefully breaking into the 14's now if they get into the 12's they think they have a genuinely FAST car at least thats how most of them are... i think we just dont like em cause of how much they run theyre mouths nitrous this vtec that they need to understand we dont need to run our mouths cause our cars are better and we both know it...

chas0218

I would believe it...my sled is only a 600 making 105hp and it weighs about 660 with me on it...The thing rips to 90 and gets there in a heart beat but after that it falls on its face. I raced many of my friend's cars while they were on the road and me on the grass and beat most of them. The Z06 was close from a dig to 100.

87350IROC

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Thats the thing though, most third gens are struggling to hit the 14s.

Thirdgen89GTA

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This, sadly is the true state of affairs. The TPI motors were great for their time, but time has moved on. Being a traditional SBC, they can be made fast. The right heads/cam on them will make a world of difference. But there isn't any factory, as cast SBC head that flows as well as the newer Gen3+ heads do. So its $$$ for heads, $$$ for cam, lots more money to upgrade the intake if you want to stay FI. Or Carb if you don't care about driving it daily and hoping for decent fuel economy.

I will never go carb for any car I build that is mean to be driven on the street. Right now, swapping in a gen 3 drivetrain is probably the most efficient method of having your cake and eating it too.

New accords with the V6 would terrorize a L98 F-body on the top end, anything less than that doesn't have a chance. Maxima's, Subaru forresters.

v10viper04

Yea i completely agree with you. I took out my TBI fuel injection b/c it was a huge pain to tune and went with a carb. The engine runs great and has lots of power but the everyday drive-ability of the car has gone south. I hate how i have to worry about it stalling, i have no idea how to tune a carb worth a crap either so that doesnt help. I have had ppl who have built many engines before look at it and say its fine. I'm not impressed with it, carbs are not my way of having fun driving around on the street. I think after the vette is done the Gen 1 is coming out and an LT is going in. The drive-ability of FI really is THAT much better. At least in my eyes it is...

Thirdgen89GTA

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That said, a set of vortec heads, with a hot-cam, and vortec HSR should be capable of at least 300rwhp, if not close to 350rwhp through a manual transmission. Vortec heads are mirrored from LT1 heads for the most part.

Its too bad there isn't a budget port job like Lloyd Elliot offers for the LT1 stuff. He gets decent numbers out of those.

kd5icr

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Ricers are into their cars just like we love ours. Most of those guys are a lot lighter than we are and some put the same time in we do. Watch the show pass time, they have ricers on there from time to time, and they run some good numbers for that class. I know I have been caught off gaurd a few times running them. It is all about fun for me.

v10viper04

There's differences... Ricers know nothing of their cars and just put body kits, neons, fart cans, etc onto a slow @ss car and talk smack. Tuners modify their car and ACTUALLY make if fast.. big diff. So your speaking of Tuners? not rice then?

Thirdgen89GTA

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I agree with this bused to know a guy with a built civic. Stripped. Cage. Way modded na motor. His class forbid power adders. Didn't make much power but it was only about 1900lbs or so

I respect that car though I wouldn't choose to build one.

kd5icr

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Yes I was talking about tuners.

two60two

While we're on the topic. What would the consensus be if you rolled up on this:



I'm sure a bunch of people on this forum know what it is. I'm sure some have no idea as well.

RED_DRAGON_85

i bet it has an LS1. but if it rolled up next to me, i'd laugh and expect to beat it by a mile...

wait, scratch the LS1.
thats a FWD car, and by the larger front tires than rear tires, id guess its pretty fast.
in that case, BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG turbo

obeymybird

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ford escort i think all wheel drive? i got to be close cosworth?

jensen73110

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Merkur XR4TI
My neighbor had one. I lived there for 3 years & never saw it move. I'd be surprised if that POS could move under its own power.

hawkins

it's little the angry inch problem over and over i live in sandiego where every honda driver thinks hes driving a 600hp car and for 10 + years it's been the same result over n over but it's still funny every time it happens i made a game of it when the light changes i try to see how many car lenfths i can put on them before i reach the crosswalk lol my best is 3 lol i have never had a import anything even last thru my 1st gear lol

hawkins

really on a 125 i crush 600's easy lol

two60two

Are we talking about mine or his?

TACGNOL

What if it rolled up on me? and revved? we'll I might die laughing.. or I'd show him what my tail light's look like

two60two

The average person on this board would have a huge problem taking the car. I'm not building it to go the fastest in a straight line, but the point is it looks slow aside from ugly.

Though I have a huge ball bearing turbo to throw at it here shortly.

v10viper04

Well it depends on what you consider "average" haha an L03 will have a problem(not a HUGE problem), but i have heard of some L03's going high 15's... 305/350TPI should have no problem with it. The Merkur's are mid 15 cars at best(car&Driver tested one that ran 15.7). Then you gotta factor in the 20+ years of worn turbo and engine none the less. Granted the 305/350 TPI motors are old too but turbo engines take a lot more abuse from the added pressure.

two60two

This is the point I was making. You just made an assumption that the motor hasn't been rebuilt it it's on it's last leg. You also assumed I was running a stock turbo. You then assumed it was completly stock yet. You also assumed it was running on the stock 10 pounds of boost. This is a common thing for people to do. I'm not bashing anyone and I know the mentality of this board. We can't assume any cars are stock and you can't assume a 25 year old turbo car is at all stock at that.

It's running 20 pounds, a 3 inch VAM, a FMIC, exhaust, T5, and a not stock computer to name the more basic mods. I'm not saying it's the fastest car out there, but it's not running 15.7s.

IROCZZ3

I'll guess and say its a mid 12 second car.

MTXaudioSYSTM

ls1 = very sexy