Slash

My 1988 Camaro Iroc-Z L98(3.27gearing) vs 2002 Mustang Gt Convertible with the 4.6L automatic.
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Both Cars are stock and in good condition. Just wondering who would win on the 1/4mile
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Who would win heads up?
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Its just a playful argument/discussion me and friend are having. In the end i don't care if she beats me, but just would like to know guys.
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And if you think i would lose what would i need to add to make it win This would probably be early summer next year at a Drag Strip so all legal

5.0L91fbird

well ive raced a 5.0 fox body and was able to keep my nose on his *** and i had 2.73 gears, the 30 hp disadvantage might be made up with the extra weight of the convertible, idk u might have a shot, just to be sure u could put some headers and exhaust and make it a real fun race

Slash

Wouldn't that be a little stretch comparing a 5.0tbi vs a 5.0 foxbody. to an 88 350tpi vs 2002 4.6L GT convertible. Both being automatics?

fly89gta

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lol@a LO3 keeping up with a 5.0...maybe the Mustang wasn't racing lol.

You should beat the Mustang, they're not fast in stock form, add in the weight of the 'vert and the fact the autos are dogs....unless you boil the tires at the line you should win.

whitedevilTA

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I pulled a car on an intake/exhaust 4.6 2002 mustang 5 speed in my cammed 305 TPI 5 speed trans am. I would take a stock L98 car in my trans am anyday. My car ran around a 14 flat mostly and I know a bone stock L98 is not that quick. Not sure how much heavier an auto/convert GT is but I think he may have you. Some shorty headers, exhaust, and some 4.10 gears and you should take a 4.6 stang.

fly89gta

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4.10 gears on a TPI is absolutely retarded, no offense. That is such horrible advice, especially on a 700r4 car.

There's no reason he should lose provided he has traction...a good running L98 could be anywhere from 14.50's to 15.0's....unless it's John Force driving the Mustang it's gonna run similar times.

whitedevilTA

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4.10's seemed to work pretty well on my car. What does it matter anyways, the tranny shifts in an auto at a set RPM so 4.10's just mean you'll get there faster. And 4.6 mustangs run 14.5's or quicker. Almost all I've seen run mid 14's bone stock. a 20 or so year old L98 I'm sure is not the engine it was when they did the original 1/4 times, and the 700r4s get sloppy over time as well.

fly89gta

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I haven't seen a stock auto convertible Mustang run that fast....then again I don't pay attention to the slow cars lol.

If the guy with the Iroc can drive I think he has this one.

5.0L91fbird

well thats what im saying, if i could keep up with the 5.0 in my pos tbi then why would u have a problem with a convertible stang?

whitedevilTA

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(taken off dragtimes.com)
2002 mustang GT convert 4.6 automatic
1/4 Mile ET: 14.500
1/4 Mile MPH: 98.100

1988 chevy camaro 350 TPI automatic
1/4 Mile ET: 15.14
1/4 Mile MPH: 94

Mustang looks better on paper stock for stock. Race him and find out! 4 mph in the 1/4 is a big difference though so you may be close off the line but up top he's got the pulling power.

Slash

15.14 doesn't sound right to me tbh. Is the time for the 2.77gears or 3.27gears
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The motor might be 22years old but it was professionally rebuilt 3years ago by Jaspers, only had 20k miles on it and the previous owner after he had it rebuilt babied it.

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I Also remember reading somewheres how the stock 700r4 could not shift into 3rd and overdrive at WOT, but there was something that you could change/add to the transmission that would allow it to do that. Anyone have a clue about this or something similiar to what i'm trying to say lol. Idk if it were just problems people were having or something all stock 700r4's had. I've never raced the Iroc to find out.

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Like i said in the end i don't care if She beats me but definitely would be fun to see what would happen, everyone i've talked to so far said it would be very close. and 14.6 to 15.14 definitely isn't a close race lol :x and like i said above i don't really believe only 15.14s

fly89gta

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I've owned 2 L98 cars that were stock and NEVER ran a 15.14, never had a single 15 second time slip.

On a side note I wouldn't trust a Jasper engine as far as I can throw them...sometimes they're done right, most of the time they're not. A 700r4 can shift into 3rd at WOT, just not OD.

Slash

What were u Running?
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Why don't you trust Jaspers? I was told and always believed they were one of the best :X

And What can be done so that trans shifts into OD at WOT?

radical82

Why all the "what if's" and once upon a time stuff???? Just go race the Horse and see how it comes out. The world will not change it's rotational speed, nor will the sun explode if one more Chevy gets beat by a Ford!!!! Racing on paper doesn't prove anything, there's always the human element and the potential for something going wrong mid run with one of the cars.....That's why we race them!!!!

Slash

It seems you didn't even read rofl. since I said it wouldn't be til Early Summer. The Iroc was already taken off the road, and tracks are closed And no1 is asking What ifs either, try reading lols.
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Now if you had something productive to add to either my questions on my previous post about getting the 700r4 to shift at WOT into OD, Opinion on Jaspers Or opinion on outcome of race then i'd be much obliged and thankful

radical82

Jasper's are no better or worse then the man who put it together....700R4's burn up too easy, get a 5 speed and shift when you want to shift, not when the trans wants to shift. Outcome of the race??? Finish the car, go race him. No use worrying or wondering until your car is up and running and you have some idea of what it runs. What do you need to win??? 50 horse, sticky tires, a bit of driving talent.

Glad you got a laugh out of it, and yes, I did read the original post and all the responses prior to mine.

Slash

There was a specific kit or something that was made for the 700r4 so it could shift into OD at WOT but i can't figure out what it was, I don't have the money to swap out the transmission for a 5spd being 18yo and jobless nor really the desire for one, maybe down the road but not now.
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Theres nothing currently wrong with the Iroc just i need either a censor replaced in transmission or the Torque converter lock up replaced. Atm its off the road for winter because We get alot of snow in upstate New York.
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as for the race I'm not worried its all fun this probably the 4th time I've said it i don't care if she beats me or not its just a fun lil argument we've had for a while.

Tho Yes i am curious and wondering how the outcome would be so I don't push my luck before hand with her if you know what i mean. Reason i decided to post.

Fast355

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I have never seen a well driven stock L98, even a high mileage not go 14s here. In my quad cab Ram, I ran against a 140K mile bone stock, but well maintained 1989 5.7 GTA and we ran neck and neck from the 60' mark through the 1320' mark. We both went 14.20s @ 94ish mph on street tires with 2.2x 60'. I caused him to run hard and breakout after getting the jump at the light with a better R/T and a little sandbagging.

radical82

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as for the race I'm not worried its all fun this probably the 4th time I've said it i don't care if she beats me or not its just a fun lil argument we've had for a while.

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When I was about 18, had a particularly wicked street toy......when none of the guys at the local hangout would run for $$$$$$ with me, my response was, "oh well, my sister could beat you anyway." She could, and she did---then split the winnings with me!!!!!!

I'm no automatic tranny guy, still bangin' my own gears..... Why would you want to shift to OD at WOT in a drag race??? Seems that would only slow the car down because of the lazy gear ratio when in OD..... Maybe you're thinking about the torque converter lock-up kit??? Lots of companies selling them, seen them on Sumitt's site, Jegs too.....

Slash

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The race isn't bout Money or any of that though that was a nice setup u had there lol taking in half the winnings. I've known her for 2 years and when we got our cars last year we've always playfully argued about whose would be better, and once i finally convinced her to race me the season was over >.< so we'll line up when season begins nxt year.
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I've never raced before and I'm not really mechanics savy lols, when i looked up people racing thirdgens and others with the 700r4 on other sites I've noticed a quite of bit towards complaints that it wouldn't shift WOT to OD and trying to find out how to fix it so i figured it would help not hurt the times, I wasn't confusing it with the lock up torque converter This was something different. one site had a link to buy a kit that would do it but it wasn't on site anymore for sale.
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As pertaining the TCC My transmission doesn't fully unlock all the time when lifting off the throttle so it bucks. Dad being part of the automotive work field for over 32years diagnosed it down to either a censor or the actual TCC being at cause. Was gonna get it fixed but then snow hit and it was taken off the road til spring.

stealthroc89

I took a 5speed GT coupe at a 30mph roll, a 55mph roll and at a light. Check engine light was on and the tranny slipped its way into 2nd. Thats back when the only mod I had was a flowmaster. I never lost a race against any car with my old L98 untill I blew it up against an EVO8 (engine went before the tranny, go figure!). This time I'm prepared LOL.

robertfrank

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I've got not problem BEATING 5.0's with my L03......
and I've got video's to prove it,lol

Fast355

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When the PCM on my 06 Dodge died, I took the rental truck to the track. I watched an Auto 1994 5.0 GT run 10.40s @ 67 mph all night long. Car was not fast by any stretch of the imagination. I remember spanking him all night long with a 2008 Dodge Ram Quad cab 4.7 rental truck. Truck was on 20s that I air'd down to about 20 PSI and pulled the spare/tailgate off with the air filter out of the stock air box.

whitedevilTA

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No 5.0 I've ever seen was that slow! 5.0 TBI's are not even in the same class as a 305 TBI. If you beat one, it's by luck, lol. And as far as no L98 running 15's? I've never seen one run better. I'd like to hear about some bone stock L98's running better than a 15 second 1/4.

robertfrank

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Really? Here's the thread were I posted the videos'.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/theo...omination.html

And that was with the stock heads and cam..... Plus I'm a bit far from stock my son.......

fly89gta

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Blah, I keep forgetting the 5.0 made it into the 94/95's.

NY3RDGEN

Are you kidding me? You have never seen one run better than 15's???? WTF.
Dude, i see youre build thread, and other stuff u say / write in these forums. And then you come out like a clueless newb. And BTW, Why cant "RobertFrank"s L03 beat a 5.0? You never thought he may actually not be a stock 16 sec RS?

Did you maybe mix up the L98 with the LB9?

whitedevilTA

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Well not being stock explains it. The way he made that statement sounded like he was stock and beating 5.0's which is probably not going to happen. My appologies for "assuming" he was stock.

As far as an L98 running better than 15's, no, I personally havn't seen any local to me run in the 14's. The few times I've been at the track they've been solid low 15 cars. I have never played much with L98's so I'm just going by what I've seen in my experience. Back when I had my cammed and bolt on LB9 5 speed, my car was considered a rocket for a 3rd gen (which was kind of sad haha). My car was a low 14 car and I raced 2 or 3 L98 cars and it wasn't even close. I know what the 4.6 GT's are cabable of and I am saying I don't think you'd take one stock for stock in an L98 car.

Sorry for any confusion.

RS Chris

I personally saw a 140,000 mile 91 Z28 that was COMPLETELY STOCK a few years ago run 14.2s all night long. Paper air filters, stock muffler, 18 in. IROC wheels and all.

Shadow Z

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Well.. This is what it boils down to. A 230 horsepower third gen Vs. a 260 horsepower automatic convertible GT. Both being automatics, and the GT being a 'vert to keep it even with the 30 horsepower advantage.

I know depending on options, GT coupes are in the 3,280 to ~3,350 pound range, don't know about the 'verts. I think a race between the two would be won at the launch, since from a roll, they'd probably be dead even.

You're welcome to race my '01 GT though.

Slash

Does the Torque give me an edge over that 30hp disadvantage or least even out the disadvantage a bit more?

Since i'm 230hp 330tq, and the Stang is 260hp but only 302tq.

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And nah I'll pass on your offer Shadow haha :P not to mention Upstate NY and Delaware is a good distance away for a race :P

Stangski09

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[QUOTE]There's no reason he should lose provided he has traction...a good running L98 could be anywhere from 14.50's to 15.0's....unless it's John Force driving the Mustang it's gonna run similar times./QUOTE]

I don't agree with you that L98 cars run 14.50s to 15.0s. My stock GTA licked a lot of quick cars, not to mention an 01 4.6. If you can drive you should have a better chance at winning than he does.

'87IROCZOWNER69

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Right now my L98 has been running like crud and I'm betting it is still running atleast a 15.5 or better. For instance I was beating this 07-08 mustang GT all the way up to second gear (my tranny is slow as of right now, about to put shift kit in it). I have been told my O2 sensor and plugs are going bad (runs rich, 8 mpg while driving civilized, and been told it's missing) but yeah still beating some newer pretty quick cars and trucks. For instance a 425 hp Dodge Ram 1500.

Shadow Z

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Not really. Your engine doesn't carry the torque too high into the RPM range, and it doesn't exactly have an outrageous amount of torque down low, such as a diesel, and how they can still make 500 HP at under 2,100 RPM.

Horsepower = torque X engine RPM / 5,252.

That's a shame! I've got some family up around there. My dad lives not too far from the border of NY, about 30 miles north of Williamsport, PA. I've got a sister that lives in upstate NY, not too far from Waverly.

Slash

Damn
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I'm from the Capital, Albany, about 3.5hrs north of Nyc

whitedevilTA

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By up to 2nd you mean you were next to him until he hit 2nd gear? Thats like 25 mph. I would be very hard pressed if you stayed next to an 07ish GT at all. I owned a 2008 and it would have absolutely desimated any stock third gen L98 car. Even if the stang had a bad launch, I'm sure it would get ugly on the top end. I ran 13.5's at 104 mph in my old mustang and it was 100% stock.

88TransAmGuy

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Ive beat a 2002 5.0 mustang gt with a supercharger and aftermarket headers with my moms Mazda 5. a 16 valve with a shot pulley and needs a bad tune up
So of course,the thirdgen would most definitely win !

b1lk1

Did the person driving the Mustang realize you were racing him? No way a Mazda 3, 5, or 6 can hang with a supercharged anything V8...........

vette9190

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2002 stangs had 4.6 not 5.0 engines

Slash

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Dylan u sure he was aware u were trying to race him rofl, or did he even care to try

fly89gta

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...and the Pope was riding shotgun too right?

whitedevilTA

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No such thing as a 2002 5.0 either

Slash

Doesn't Your imagination do wonders?

vette9190

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Oh and My ex-wife had a 02 Gt vert when we first started dating. After we got hitched I started driving it for work. Not fast but pretty decent would have left my LO3 powered RS in the dust even with a full exhaust. Of course the autos are slower. Did the auto do the same thing the AOD's did on the 5.0 and shift from first to third too?

But that car is gonna the wife is gone but my baby remains. Powered by a mildy moded L98.

GTA1990

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word homi

I smoked a 5.0 2011 GT in my unicycle yo - had a CAI and polished spokes. adjustable seat and squeeze horn weren' fitted yet - motha fu%ka didn't know what hit him...you feel me?

MY '90 L98 GTA has 3inch exhaust and headers - 120k, running in good tune . A friends stock '04 GT (coupe albeit) pulled a little harder

factor in extra weight - will be a close one

robertfrank

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Yo tha shiz iz tight fo real real nah mean!!! hahahaha

danziger

I think it would be a good race. The Ford A4s are pretty sloppy from the factory and the 4.6 is pretty gutless down low. Provided the L98 is healthy and you don't blow off the tires, it should be a fun/close race.

CamaroIROC88350

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Well, a bone stock fresh and healthy L98 is a quick car, fast at times but any fresh and healthy car is to some extent. To answer your question you should beat this guy as those Mustang's are dogs off the line and if he has a 5 speed (I know you said he has an automatic) you can always count on the driver not shifting right at each point.

But you should take him/her and be a good sport about which I am sure you will be. I've raced 3 Mustang's since I've had my ride and each time it's been at different levels of modifying my car so each time has been very fun. Good luck and be safe.

ville_valo_05

i don't know now why ya gotta hate on the LB9? mien had hella top end in it before "the unspeakable tragedy" occured

ville_valo_05

interesting mustang vs camaro vid.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABXtQ...eature=related