RMK

I haven't raced one but was just wondering if anyone else had and what the outcome was.

Thanks for the time.

20-psi

Raced and beat one with my mustang out in Fredrick MD. He also missed 3rd. Raced a different one twice and took $400.00 from him. Also beat a couple with my TTA a long time ago.

Pete

RMK

Graet to hear that. I was looking about on the supra boards and these guys all think they are the dogs bollocks. One guy was challenging John Hennessey to a race in his Vemon 800. Idiot.

Rob

new87

That would be Marko's car and it's that far fetched for him to win. His car is low 9 to high 8's.

Dr G

Hi RMK,

Long-time no see!

When ever I'm out with you there are never any twin-turbo'ed Supra's which are up for racing. Typical ricers - all mouth and no trousers.

I wish you good luck (but you'll do great!),

Later,

Gordon

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Dr G

Hi RMK,

Long-time no see!

When ever I'm out with you there are never any twin-turbo'ed Supra's which are up for racing. Typical ricers - all mouth and no trousers.

I wish you good luck (but you'll do great!),

Later,

Gordon

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305camaro85

dude what kind of mustang did u have and how many k's did u have in it. was the supra modded or not? cuz i think u are lying off ur *** . supras definetly haul *** just to tell you. u probably raced a stock one in a fixed up mustang even though u would still lose becuz supras beat z06's stock. so i don't think so. how modified is ur tta cuz i don't beleive that either. so no ur lyin obviously.

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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

IROC5.7TPI

Let me clarify something.

1) a STOCK TT Supra with 6 speed runs 13.20's in the 1/4 mile STOCK.

2) When lightly modded, the TT Supra will turn low 12's on a stock turbo and intercooler setup.

3) If the owner of the Supra spends $4000 wisely, he will be in the 10's.

4) If anyone has a Rustang that beat a Supra, I want proof. The Rustang must have had about $10k in mods or more. Not to mention a power adder.

So before all you guys go and start **** saying your 3rd gens can beat one, step back and look at the odds. You better pack a lunch

BTW- I have never owned a Supra nor can I afford one. But I do read a lot about them and see a few around locally. That Hennessy Viper has another thing coming



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It ain't pretty.......

1987 IROC Z TPI 350 A4 3.27 Borg-Warner.

Mods: 2300-2500 Stall Converter, Shift Kit(GM parts), TPI Specialties Stage 3 PROM, Modified Airbox w/ K&N's, homemade cold air, Relocated MAT sensor, Gutted MAF, 160* thermostat, Accel 8mm Wires, bypassed TB coolant, Flowmaster 3 chamber single 3" in/out muffler, 3" MAC mandrel intermediate, custom dual !cat Y-pipe. airfoil, ported plenum. !smog

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305camaro85

thank you for this post. a supra would kill any mustang for the money spent on it.


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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

dudelovett

From what I've seen in other posts, 20 PSI's Stang is in the 10's.....

mcconahay37

iTrader: (3)

Why even bring up money? A Supra costs what $35000? You can pick up a 5.0 for about $3000-$5000. Spend $10000 in mods on a Supra and you will go faster than 10 gs on a Stang, but if the mustang spent anothe $30000 to match the price of the Supra, I don't think the Supra will be able to beat it. It doesn't matter. They are two totaly different beasts.

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dtpmike

I killed a TT supra the other day in my 89 LO3. It wasnt even close. He said he was running 20#'s of boost too.

IROC5.7TPI

Dude....put down the crackpipe...it's gettin hot

20-psi

Yeah, the mustang is in the 10's with nitrous but runs 11.64 @117 on motor. The Supra in Frederick, Md ran low 11's @130 at 75-80 Dragoway and like I said he missed 3rd gear or he would have beat us. The other ones were stock or slightly modded. They are now friends of ours and we cruise together and 'set up' races with each other.

And, whoever called me a LIAR, you don't know me well enough to do that because 'I DO NOT LIE', I have no reason to lie, everything I say is from experiences that I've had.

Pete

Camaro_hunter_d

well 20 PSI at least realizes he would have had absolutely no chance if the supra had not missed the shift... We all know that he would lost he a$$ otherwise... and the L03 beating a TURBO supra again put down the crack pipe... your smokin too much... And supra do not cost 35k, theres one for sale here for 5k OBO and it as been sitting for the longest time(so offer 3 and its sold). Granted it is not a turbo, but with a simple change of internal bearings, intake and exhaust and a fuel pump(at any good turbo site for about 6k you have a screamer that will put any stock or even a 425 horse 3rd gen to shame. The fastest Turbo Supra I have seen in a mag is 7.87 at 170 ish...
That was with a stock block and major internals. It had an upgraded fuel system, turbo kit, exhaust and intake.

FATZ_86er

Camaro_hunter_d - theres also a 350 iroc z down my street for sale for $3000, and im sure hed take $2500, put 6 G's on a turbo and a supercharger, and the iroc z will do just as good if not better.... stuff that in your crackpipe! Also that supra engine you saw in that car was not even a toyota engine, it was a Stock V12 diablo engine..... add another ounce ounce to the pipe, you have to the Ultimate Mods! (you dont know much about speed!, but im sure the Ultimate helped a bunch)

Camaro_hunter_d

Sorry but I have seen a built 3rd gen with a 'charger and it was done right and could only pull low 10 and very high 9's.

And that Supra that you say I am smoking crack on has 2 turbo's pumping 29.4 PSI and has a total of 721.9 dyno'd REAR WHEEL HORSE POWER. And pulls 7.942@171.08MPH. Look at a few inport books you'll find they can make power much better then us... This quote is from March 2001 racing results in Turbo and high performance.

And I'm sorry but if you take a Supra and a Iroc and put the same amount of money into them the Supra will walk away EVERY time... Sorry but its a fact of life you need to get used to. Hell theres even a 96(I think)miata with a charger that runs 10.01@122 on 4 cylinders!!!... Like you to race that one and see the results...

I've been tring to tell you people that some of these imports will walk away at will... But the "big american" Ego prevents this from seeping in... American V8's are a dying breed. PERIOD. Now that 721 RWHP on that Supra just imagine the actual engine dyno... And all that power from a 3.0 straight 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Camaro_hunter_d

and obviously you know nothing of Italian supercars... The Diablo runs mid 11's...Stock. Thats all motor. The car also wieghs in at a hefty 2700 pounds or so, the vast majority being the engine and drivetrain...

Camaro_hunter_d

now also realize this seems much lower than you would think.. but also realize that these cars were made to handle and race in a straight line...

crazeinc

I'm sorry but Camaro hunter you're a dumbass just looking to start fights.

First off, 720RWHP doesn't not equal high 7 quarter miles unless this Supra weighs 100 pounds. Guys running 7's have at least 1500 horsepower.

Second off, you're acting like the supercharged 3rdgen running low 10's is slow?? Are you insane? This car would beat every single thing on the street in came in contact with. Sure, there's probably a faster Supra 1000 miles away, but who cares!!!

The cheapest twin turbo Supras aren't less than $17,000 that are in decent shape, bottom line. I've looked, you can't find them for cheaper than that.

So, let's throw $4000 into the $17,000 TT Supra and it'll run 10's for a grand total of $21,000.

Let's buy a mint V8 IROC for $5000 and just to play fair, we'll make up the difference and pay $16,000 worth of mods on the IROC.

Take a guess which car will be faster when both 21k's are spent.

So shut the hell up, it's obnoxious.

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-100+ nitrous shot
-Cruising in style with leather and nice stereo.

FiReBReTHa

Ok, i heard theres allot of crack smoking going on here, so i decided you children needed a dealer,
chill out a bit, take a puff. now think.
i am Very sorry, i do not agree with imports.
they are smaller, i think typically lighter, and the dmn things are pretty efficent. but. and repeat, the are efficent with only a couple racing cars. now you guys were fighting about a... 721 Hp supra, WHAT THE HELLZ, You know how Highly modified that is, Thats crazy Power.. now, seriously, ok, how did he get there. prob got it new, cause used would cause probs, think of price there. now. add all the other stuff he got. and i heard the they do not beat Z06, but are pretty dmn close. now, (i wonder who does better in handling tho?????)
now. take two cars.
91 pont trans. with 350.
91 supra, any version stock.
compare price. now if supra is more, then take that value, add it to the trans.
where are they at?

yes, imports have LOTSa bolt ons. BUT. i think domestics live longer to it.

and guys, when was the last time you saw an import Hauling something behind, and compare it to a chevy silverado.

im not Flaming, nor taking away anyones crack, i just want you guys to open up a bit more. So Chiilllll a bit.
SHARE THE PIPE. that way we know how to beat them.


Laterrrrz


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305camaro85

ok i have read every post on this. ok now i am talking about a 94 and up supra. have 320 hp STOCK. Ok they don't sell them in the usa anymore so you have to buy a used one. A 94 in ok condition that is a twin turbo can run from 12,000(or lower if you can get it wholesale, i have seen some for 7500)to a hefty 35000 for a 1998(last year in us)My sis's boyfriend looked around and found a 1994 for 9500 that was running. So they can be found at a reasonable price. Ok a guy in town got supra and sent it to powerhouse racing. On the first pass with this car after they got it running it ran an 8.98 @154 mph. check it at www.mvpmotorsports.com if you don't beleive me. Or you can check out the June Turbo Magazine and it is on the cover. THis car has over 1200 hp at 40 psi of boost and 866 at 16 or 26 psi of boost. This car still has the full body and interior. Nothing has been gutted really. Unlike some rustangs and camaros that have been gutted and still run 12's or 11's. These cars have very good potential so they can walk all over a lot of cars. Oh yeah another thing is this car was ran without nos so far and is about to be set up to run it. I know this becuz the guy that helped build the car is my sis's boyfriend. Beleive i know alot about these car. Another thing is that this car is easily made streetable. They fabricated the transmission mount to be able to pull out the custom titanium 3 speed to put in the 6 speed. The switch panel can be taken out so the stock stereo can be put back in for long trips. Even the stereo speakers are left in the car to let you know that the car is not gutted at all. Also the exhaust is removable by 3 bolts and 2 safety springs and replace by a hks exhaust. SO you american people need to notice that imports are coming up in the world and they are just as fast as your camaros and corvettes.Don't get me wrong though i love the sound and power of an american v-8 to but i do know that imports are fast. SOme of you just need to except that.

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mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

305camaro85

Sorry make that the july turbo magazine that this supra is on the cover of. Sorry bout that

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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

dtpmike

For the money you pay you will always find an american car for cheaper.

Second, there are only a few fast imports, all of which have power adders, then the owners knocked the boost up a lot. TT supras, mitsubishi 3000 VR4, TT 300ZX, are the only really good ones. There are also a few 4 cyl turbo engines, but a stock 4th generation could take them out. You will not find a fast import that is NA unless he spent thousands building the motor.

Those 3 imports are fast and are the only good imports in my opinion. Maybe a couple I overlooked, but You can make a v-8 go much faster for less money.

RMK

Also, does anyone know Markos e-mail address or web page??

RMK

I think I need to get a faster car.

Camaro_hunter_d

EXACTLY! I have seen many a supra kill a 3rd and 4th and second gen camaro with ease... and the sad thing was he was running stock internals and just 1(yes thats 1) turbo at 34 PSI... He had an intercooler too...(Upgraded that is)

Not to mention quite a few 300TT's... Hell theres a CRX running around in C'dale that runs 9.58 at the track and you would be hard pressed to beat him... even with a surperchaged 350...

Camaro_hunter_d

EXACTLY! I have seen many a supra kill a 3rd and 4th and second gen camaro with ease... and the sad thing was he was running stock internals and just 1(yes thats 1) turbo at 34 PSI... He had an intercooler too...(Upgraded that is)

Not to mention quite a few 300TT's... Hell theres a CRX running around in C'dale that runs 9.58 at the track and you would be hard pressed to beat him... even with a surperchaged 350...
And I forgot that it is completely street legal too.. the whole interior is in the car as well... Along with a 145.3 DCBL sterio system.

REVLIMIT

Supras beating Zo6? is that possible. Stock to stock the Vette spanks the hell out of the supra. Freeway and drag racing. Hell even handling. Didnt hte TT supras only have ilke 320hp? Thats not enough to spank a Vette. **** I've seen Z28's and SS camaros beat TT supras. Oh well...

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Eternal Rev

REVLIMIT

oh yea forgot to mention something. Theres this one guy here. With a TT 96 or so supra. Lots of mods. Running 23 pounds of boost! And guess what keeps up with him? a WS6 with only a vortech supercharger kit running 8psi. and exhaust. You should see the list of mods the supra has! haha...oh yea thats on the freeway. On hte 1/4 mile the TA spanks the supra.

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Eternal Rev

305camaro85

ok obviously u know nothing. Just because a vette has more horsepower does not mean it is gonna win anything. A car that has take off and top speed and pulls hard through all gears instead of a car that has no traction and has 400 hp, of course the car with take off, top speed, and is good puller is gonna win, even if it only has 320 hp.

305camaro85

oh yeah torque plays a huge roll in this too no just hp.

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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

305camaro85

What about C5 Corvettes? Oh My Gosh...you must be kidding. Don't get me wrong I love the way they look, but GM quality SUCKS compared to Toyota. GM has had to buy-back over 100 C5's for "LEMON LAW" violations!!! Supra's (ZERO) and NO recall's either, period! Run a C5 Corvette in this car from a 30-150 mph and you have him/her beat by NO less than 15 car lengths (that is if you suck at driving).

Supra' owners chose their cars for performance, not heritage, if we want heritage we will buy a book, not a car .

found this on a site and i thought it was worth posting.


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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

JJ

camaro_hunter_d , I live in your area - I've yet to witness all these cars you mention, but I don't get out much either. That CRX you mention, is it the yellow one whose owner works at the stereo store on 13 outside of C'dale ?

RMK

Oh goody, my first flamed topic. I should have put on my fire proof suit.

Zzzzzziiippppp

Right, I'm back and ready.

The TT Supra had 320hp stock and ran beetween 13.2 and 13.5 from what I've seen. I've seen the Z06 in the 12s stock.

Remember though, it doesn't matter what you drive there is always someone who's faster.

I'm gonna hunt down Marko and find out about his car.

I'll be back!

Camaro_hunter_d

I would like to see a stock camaro beat a twin t Supra. That'll be the day...LOL and the Z06 only has 325 ponies.. 5 more than the Supra. and I believe someone said the
Supra ran 11-12's STOCK. Well sorry to say the best that Car and Driver could get the thing to do even with traction laid down was mid 12's to very high 11's. SUpra are very capable of pulling 11.34(been done many a time at Old Dominion Speedway in Manassas VA) STOCK without traction compound down. The vette may handle better but I would bet that it's not by much, if at all. hey have about the same stance, wheel base and weight proportions.

FiReBReTHa

um.......... did we forget to mention the fact that... vettes are under rated? something a birdy told me.
umm... goin BACK and to the pricing,
Ohhh.... A STOCK 40,000 car.
compared to a STOCK 21,000 car.....
hmmm.... i wonder.......

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REVLIMIT

the Zo6 vettes are underrated. You know just like how the Z28 Camaro supposible has like 305hp at the flywheel. Yet when you dyno a stock Z28 it has like 302hp at hte wheels!! Just like the Zo6 from what I hear/read. The Zo6 atcually has like 345hp or so. BUt they just "say" it has 325. And I have never seen or heard of a STOCK TT Supra running in the 11's or 12's. The fastest TT supra that I have ever seen was like mid to high 13's. I dont hate the supra. Just saying that I dont htink it could spank a Zo6. And I've seen 2 STOCK SS camaros in the 12's. And the rest of the SS camaros and Z28's in the mid to low 13's.

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91 RS 305 TBI
Eternal Rev

Camaro_hunter_d

Well I used to live in Manassas VA, then Va Beach(navy) then moved here(Big mistake I hate it here nothin to do)... the CRX was bright thats all I could see as it flew...
I was not paying attention as I was getting reay to leave cause the imports were coming out... I heard a screaming motor and looked at the screen... and was amazed to find out it was a 4 banger honda...


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RMK

The hp rating for the Supra of 320bhp is at the flywheel, not the rear wheels. And there is no way a stock Supra will run 12s. They were mid to low 13s.

IROC5.7TPI

Agreed

Lets put on our thinking caps for a moment, shall we?

The point here is a Supra is superior to ANY american car in build quality and research and development. American cars are musclecars from the factory, however they have Americans building them. Point is...Americans are overpaid, underworked, and do things good enough to get by. Japs do everything to perfection and put a lot more into designing a car than the Americans do.

That being said, I personally (if I could afford one) would much rather have a Supra with $10,000 worth of mods than any American car with the same amount of dollars spent on mods. Why you ask? Better design. More HP per dollar.

So no matter who you ask, their opinions will differ. I'm sure not everyone here agrees with what I've just said. But guess what? Its america, and we have the freedom of choice and expression.

End of story.

And for all you talkers out there.....line 'em up. Lets see who wins.

Quit talking ****


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It ain't pretty.......

1987 IROC Z TPI 350 A4 3.27 Borg-Warner.

Mods: 2300-2500 Stall Converter, Shift Kit(GM parts), TPI Specialties Stage 3 PROM, Modified Airbox w/ K&N's, homemade cold air, Relocated MAT sensor, Gutted MAF, 160* thermostat, Accel 8mm Wires, bypassed TB coolant, Flowmaster 3 chamber single 3" in/out muffler, 3" MAC mandrel intermediate, custom dual !cat Y-pipe. airfoil, ported plenum. !smog

http://www.MichaelLasiuta.home.att.net

**BOYCOTT LAPEER DRAGWAY**

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305camaro85

very well put iroc5.7 cuz yes americans do just enough to get it to sell but a jap will make a car to run it's best at all times. LIke right now we are reading these posts but a jap would be working on perfecting something this very second. So like iroc said i would take a supra with 10k in mods anyday also besides i actually like the styling better.

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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

BadBowTie

OK, just to be sure here. The car you're referring to, as having "a car that has no traction and has 400 hp" is the Corvette Z06. The Z06 pulls 0-60 times of 4.6 seconds all day long, has a top speed of 171mph, (computer limited) and pulls a full G on the skidpad. As far as "pulls hard through all gears" the Z06 makes enough torque that downshifting at the exit of a corner is an option not a necessity. Oh, and by the way, that's all done without a power adder.

What are the hard numbers on your beloved rice rocket?
These rice jockeys kill me.

REVLIMIT

Sorry to continue this battle. BUt more hp per dollar? Did you read one of my previous posts about this and hell many other supras. Anyways theres this one supra here in Hawaii. Hes got alot of mods, single turbo upgrade (I believe hes running like a T88 or something like htat), downpipe, exhaust, fuel system upgrade, AFC, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea and hes running 23 pounds of boost! Yet theres a LS1 TA that can keep up with him on the freeway. ANd beat him on the 1/4 mile. What mods does this TA have? exhaust and a vortech supercharger kit. running only 8 pounds of boost. So more power per dollar? hmmmm...nah and hell the TA isnt even on the same "level" as teh supra.

So in quality and looks, etc. Thats all personal opinion. But in accounts of hp per dollar? the Camaro, TA, Vette spanks the Supra.

(Forgot to put that this Supra that I"m talking about. Is pretty much considered damn fast. Ever import racer looks up to him like hes a god or something.)

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paul_huryk

Gotta give some kudos to the Supra, especially since it does have 320hp from the factory and did run in the 13's stock.

Then again, the previous generation Supra was such a sled that a 305 TPI auto could keep up with it, not counting the a$$ beating it got from 350 cars.

Anyway, the fact of the matter is they were fast out of the box, and could run into the low 12's with stock parts and a few tricks. The problem was that to go faster than that, you had to upgrade the turbos and intercoolers. Don't think an upgraded pair of turbos goes for $750, try $3000 and up. A good aftermarket intercooler is probably $3000 too, plus electronics, exhaust... It gets real expensive real quick, probably $10,000 for a 500-600hp motor. Not bad, but at around 600hp, the stock motors have a tendency to go boom. Too much boost and too much revs aren't good for a straight 6 with as much reciprocating assembly as a typical V8. The real fast ones (10 seconds and faster) have more exotic parts than you can shake a stick at, and cost a boatload of $$$.

I'm not saying they can't be fast, but like every car, there comes a point where it costs a lot more to go a little faster. Just happens that for a Jap car, the point is higher.

The funny thing is that at Englishtown, I haven't seen more than 3 Supras race in all my years, and 2 were stock. It may be that they only go when there are import days or whatever. But with 20+ million people in the NYC-NJ area, there aren't too many Supras, maybe I see 1 or 2 a month. I wouldn't worry about them as they are nonexistent (at least where I live).



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The ignorant person gets something today and hopes to have enough money to pay for it tomorrow.

Camaro_hunter_d

sorry the vette does not have 400 ponies... and for the underating of automakers.. Like the vette is rated at 325 but has 345 EVERYONE DOES THAT. I just say bring true japaneese Supra over and watch it walk all over the americans...

crazeinc

umm...the ZO6 has 385 horsepower, where are you getting 325?

The 2002 ZO6 will have 405 horsepower...

11's on a stock twin turbo supra is actually making me laugh...

tzweelz

ok lets talk about maximum potential
are the import guys trying to say that their 4 and six bangers w/ all their power adders and all can make more power than a SBC? i believe it is air/fuel that actually make power. true, imports are more EFFICIENT, power wise from the factory. however maximum power goes to the SBC. john lingenfelters dragster trucks make over 2000 hp at about 360ci. what about blown and shot big blocks, i dont think they have dinos that can measure the output of AAfuel dragsters and funny cars. i read they estimate them at 8000hp.
u import guys think 10sec f-body is as fast as they get? its not hard to throw in a stroked, blown, and sprayed BBC, built t400, and 9" rear w/ 4link. its not hard at all. theres gotta be hundreds of "pro street" domestics between miami and tampa.

im just sayin the bigger the motor (the more air and fuel properly forced through it)makes power easier and has higher potential than smaller motor. period

IROC5.7TPI

Us guys over at www.camaroz28.com have discussed this issue many times. In fact, if you look in the message boards over there in the Michigan forum, you will find that we've been playing with a local guy that has a built up Supra. The car is super cool, but the owner is a lying arsehole. We tend to like his car, but not him. His car has a single turbo (which is huge BTW) and all kinds of mods. He claims 650-700 RWHP.

He was racing our buddies twin turbo 2000 Firehawk on a local freeway. The Firehawk had him by 1/2 a car. The Supra owner-Paul decides to flip on the NOS while he's running high boost (27psi). All the sudden BOOM! His engine had a hole the size of a fist in it!

Read the forums if you want more info, but understand when I say...some F-Body guys been there and done that. Some can beat the Supra and some can't.

Most of the locals here around Detroit actually dyno tune their cars on a regular basis, even stock LS1 and LS6 cars. So like I said, I know firsthand that the Supra is a bad ****, but I also know that a LS1, twin turbo 6spd Firehawk had a handful when they raced. BTW the TT Firehawk has run a best of 11.30's to date, with more left in it.

Check out the MI forum over at www.camaroz28.com

You will get a kick out of this whole Supra thing.



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It ain't pretty.......

1987 IROC Z TPI 350 A4 3.27 Borg-Warner.

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The '02 Z06 is rated at 405HP and 400 FT LB of torque. The HP rating is stamped right into the Z06 ID badge on the front fender.