nblanchard

Just want to know who has broken in to the wonderful 14's.. LOL... Let us know what you have done to achieve this

Starting with me..

Plenum Porting
AFPR
MSD Blaster Coil
MSD wires
MSD Cap and rotor
Holley Air Foil
Custom 3" exhaust
PRM Chip
BFG G-Force KDW tires

Kevin Vandevenne

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1 of the two is

palric

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On paper I break 14s but in REAL life I do 15.11s @ 93.50. Not very impressive eh ?

I was hoping to get 14.7s on the 21st but 92zeddar did that recently (our drivelines are similar optioned) and he just installed SLP headers so I think I will be lucky to see a 14.99 eh ? I still have stock manifolds.

adious,
RP.

palric

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I read in the latest GMHTP mag they put a vigilante stall converter in the Grape of Wrath, a 4th gen Z28. Typically these gain 4-6 tenths in the 1320 or so says the magazine. They got 1.6 tenths off the 1/4 in their test and say they have to fix the prom to get the real gains. Can you use one of these in your tranny ?

RP.

nblanchard

I a not sure if I can or not... the 4th gens have a completely electronically controlled tranny... I'm looking to do a stall convertor anytime soon.

trigger GTA

ya i made it. but am looking to join the 13 club soon

Plenum Porting
AFPR
air foil
3" exhaust flow master
hooker headers (in the mail.)
10:1
cam
3 angle vales
.030 over
free stuf
K&N

88 IROC BOB

Yes you can use the same convertor from a 93-97 fbody in a 3rd gen. My thoughts on using a Vig 2800 stall in a "stock" TPI is don't do it.
I tried it last year and got a pretty good gain in 60 ft but it didn't help out the et at all.
The 2800 works good for LT1 cars but I wouldn't recommend it for us TPI guys unless you have "heads and cam"

I sold my Vig to a guy with a 94 ragtop and he liked it.

Bob

johnyIROC

I'm in at 14.0... I will be joining the 13 second club as well on the 21st.

I've got a mild 355

-World SR Heads (ported)
-9.5:1 CR (flat-tops)
-LT1 rods
-455/455 mild cam
-Hedman Hedders & cut-out
-Accel Super Coil
-LG4 intake

IROCKER

See the sig...and I know, it's not fast enough.

Acceld Z

I have. My car is about as quick as a Civic right now. I'm having a fuel pressure problem. Here's the basics.....

355 10.8:1
SuperRam (base, plenum, runners)
Heavily ported Edelbrock heads
"219" cam
Vigi 2600

The rest is in my sig clicky.

88 IROC BOB

Acceld, sounds like a nice setup but I couldn't find any times that you have run. Looking forward to seeing your car.

As for myself, I'm in the high 13 sec club. Got some brand new Nitto's and LCA'S now so I should be good to hook up.

See you guys there.

Bob

16th owner

I'm hoping for mid 14's.
The only other time at the track was in May. I had the car running on fumes hoping for better times, but couldn't get it to bite at all. I still have no suspension work done and cheap tires, so it should be fun trying to get a good launch. It definitly feels like it has more power then in May, with the mods I've done. I'll know better after dyno day.
Do you guy's think running with a full tank will make much difference off the line?

palric

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Yah I think a full tank is better off the line -- the way my TPI hOoVeRs gas I need a full tank to make the 1320... <grin>

I think it helps having some weight on the rear axle ?

RP.

Acceld Z

It's not much quicker than your car, so far I'm having some fuel problems.

darbleinad

granted a full tank of gas will give weight on the rear end on the car, so if traction is a problem, it may help, but if traction isnt a real problem i would run with as little gas in the tank as possible. a full tank of gas weighs alot, where as an 1/8 of a tank is signifcantly lighter and i would rather have a lighter car to move down the 1/4 mile.

palric

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Probably not a big deal for carb'd units but with low fuel and without the baffled tank (lucky me I have one) you may find your EFI's fuel pump starving under hard launches which can be a baaaaaad thing for the pump.

my .02 cents worth,
RP.

darbleinad

good point......i forgot that fuel injection systems need way more pressurer..but surely a 1/4 of a tank is enough fuel for even a EFI motor.

16th owner

1/4 tank should be lots, but with old factory suspension and BFG h-rated tires, there's very little traction. I think with more fuel (wieght) over the wheels, it might help with 60' times and hopefully not loose to much down track.

Z28z

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I've gone 13.9@100 on motor. I've got the basic bolt ons.
SLP headers,Flowmaster exhaust,Accel intake manifold,SLP runners,ported plenum,free mods,and a little tuning.

Mark A Shields

Hey, man, stick to your own regional board.


I "should" be running low 13s after the new mods, but we all know how that goes.

trigger GTA

"dido"
pot
kettel
black

i think we may have asked you the same

Mark A Shields

I was kiddin, he's from my area. what's this all aboot ehh?

88redxtsy

I ran 15.1 flat in a stock 305 TPI engine. Just your bolt ons:

SLP Ram Air
Air Foil
Crank Pulley
160 Thermostat
3" mandrel bent cat back exhaust
3.08 gears

I think with the 3.73 posi gears I should be able to JUST barely break into the 14's.

If I can, I'll try running once next year. We'll see.

85 TRANSAM WS6

i did 12.9 at 109 at cayuga. stock moter no spray or anythin.

the only thing is it was my 93 honda civic si. it has a stock prelude engine with 185 60 14 tires. hehe ya its kinda fast. it now has nitrous and is hittin low 12's high 11's . not bad for a bone stock 2.2 4 cylinder.

kinda sad cause my 85 trans am is probably around the high 15's.
well i hope to be in the high 13's this summer in my ta.

88 IROC BOB

I don't usually do this but I should call

Sorry

Bob

johnyIROC

I was holding back on the noob... but it's definitely BS unless we're talking forced induction.... in that case you wouldn't claim that you did it "on engine".

darbleinad

i agree....12.9 on a "stock" naturally aspirated 4 cyl is not happenning

Mark A Shields

Normally, I might say thank you Capt. Obvious. LOL, but this guy , oh man.

85 TRANSAM WS6

the funny thing is i use to think the same way as you guys about 3 years ago. i use to laugh at the 4 cylinder imports and rev my gm motersports side dumps on my 1LE players motersports iroc in their ears at lights.

well alot has changed in the last three years. i sold my 881LE IROC to a friend. it had a 300 hp moter in it and373's. well i would just pump it hard all day any time. off a light , drivin, on the highway. i felt bad for him. my crappy civic walkin all over the iroc. thats not even with the spray on in the civic with a skinny street tire.

my 93 civic has a 94 jap spec 2.2 h22a prelude engine. bone stock engine that has 200 hp and redlines at 8500rpm. also has factory lsd in the tranny. the car weighs around 2000 pounds and has falcon road course 185 60 14's. at cayuga it did 12.9 at 109. i did not have spray at the time but now i do. also have a fuel cell.
my other civic im drivin this winter has the same engine and does 13.6 103mph at cauga. its a little heavyer and has ****ty tires. if you dont belive my story my street name is RCBH and i am a well known streetracer beating ferraris and supercharged corvettes.

i hang out with around 100 guys with 4 cylinder imports and domestics in woodbridge and i have the fastest import out of the bunch. with the spray im doin very low 12's , on the streets on street tire, so not many domestics could beat me either.

its sad but true. i dont like it either but its a fact. mid 14's are slow for streetracin civics.

i love my trans am and want to do the same thing to it as my civics. my civics are just cars but my trans am i will have to the day i die.

85 TRANSAM WS6

my red civic at cauga
12.9 109 stock engine no spray

johnyIROC

Yep... that's stock on street tires.

85 TRANSAM WS6

the tires in the picture are ones i got at the toronto indy. they are racing tires for the open wheel cars. hehe. ya well without a hand brake and the hard compound i only got a .01 difference in the quarter mile. im hopin to get somethin for next year. yes the engine is a stock 2.2 honda 4 cylinder. this is true.

johnyIROC

Good luck with that.... from everything I've been told a jap spec H22 swap with that tranny will only net you ~13.5 in perfect conditions. My sources must be off.

Btw you do know that an H22a won't rev > 8k in stock form...

IBitexplodes

85 TRANSAM WS6

you are correct. the civic i am using for the winter is only doin 13.6 103 with that swap. my streetracin civic is a little more radical but still has the stock moter. like i said it weighs 2000 pounds that should tell you something.
hey im on your side i like my trans am. i would like to make it fast but i dont think it will ever be able to beat my civic. i would still rather put my money in my trans am then my civics. just feels better.
i think i know a guy with some weld drag light rims i will try to get for next year for the trans am. im hopin to get a carbon fibre hood and lexan rear window. i have a extra set of doors i can gut to use at the track too. next year should be good. would like to get the car too 2800 pounds. is this possible?

johnyIROC

Let's agree to disagree on this one...

You obviously knew you were opening a can of worms when you came in here and said your stock civic did 12s on street tires....

If I take the best engine Chevy makes (ls6?)... mod it and drop it into a gutted f-bod on ET streets what do you think would happen? Low 10s... high 9s in perfect conditions?

And then try to pass it off as no big deal and say that it's normal for stock thirdgens to run 9s on a Honda board.

Your civic is quick even for a modded car and It's good to see that you've seen the light... I won't post about your civics again.

IROCKER

I'm not doubting his quoted ET's, I don't know you, but if you swap out the motor and put in one from a different car then it's no longer stock. If I put an LS6 engine in my car, am I still stock? NO! I just don't agree on the terminology.

85 TRANSAM WS6

"Btw you do know that an H22a won't rev > 8k in stock form..."

oh **** dont tell me this now!!! i have been shifting at 8500rpm for the last year and a half!!! mmm . im using a racing computer from japan so its redline has been changed and has no speed limiter. it has never complained about me ****fting there. i have intake headers and exhaust so it breaths so it seams to like it. i think my times speak for themselfs. but im not hear to talk about my crapy civics.....

88 IROC BOB

Wow, it just keeps sounding more and more like stock every time I read this post.

Bob

85 TRANSAM WS6

its a stock engine. if it blows up i just buy another one and stick it in and do the same times. why you givin me a hard time. the engine is stock. the valve cover has never been off. i get the feeling it bothers you that a 4 cylinder ***** can walk all over your v8 fire breathing monster. look thats just the way it is and we all have to get used to it

IROC-ZZ4

I wish I didn't write off my iroc the other day then I could do my usual "IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR NA CIVIC RUNS 12.9!!" I miss that car more than ever reading this... Good for you if it does run 12.9 NA on street tires but lots of domestics can do the same thing with an engine swap "Gee my "stock" GM performance parts race engine 350 ran 12's too" its not so stock after an engine swap.

85 TRANSAM WS6

i hope what you say is true. i feel kinda sad that when i drive my ta next summer i will be goin slower than my civic. this winter with your guys help iwill build a good moter for her. if its doin mid 13's i will be happy

nblanchard

The engine may be stock.. but the car is not.. so don't say your "STOCK" Civic wil walk all over a Camaro/Firebird... because I can easily put an LT4 or :S6 in my car.. and call it stock like you have.

trigger GTA

what did you have in mind for the engine of the TA?
and what kind of budget do you have?

johnyIROC

If you put the same amount of money and mods into your f-bod that you have into that civic, you will be running 10s.

That car is not stock by any definition. Most would consider it heavily modded. At the most it has stock internals.... which is tempting the gods at those RPMs.

My comment about that engine not pulling 8krpm in stock form is quite accurate. With the STOCK computer, the fuel shuts off at 7k and change. Last time I checked... japanese racing computers aren't stock on the H22a.

It is a very quick car... just not a stock car.

85 TRANSAM WS6

this is what i have to work with. i have not thought about v8s in 8 years so i need help

i have a 86 vette moter with aluminum heads. no tpi. i have a edlebrock performer intake but i only have the stock lg4 carb. i have a aluminum water pump and electric fan. also i will use the stock vette headers to save cash.

would it be a good idea to use this t4 wild cam i keep hearing about? my friend works at a rebuilding shop so we are goin to port polish the heads and intake. i need rockers and springs whats the best to get usein the t4 cam? or do you guys have a perfect setup for this moter i do not know of?

can i get away with the lg4 carb? what carb should i use?

how hard would it be to turn this moter into a 383?
the more detailed info the better. i will be starting on the vette moter soon.

darbleinad

my car runs 13s with no traction with the quadrajet carb i took off my LG4 and a performer intake. new rods and a hanger for the secondary will do wonders...DR rods are great and a B hanger is the best you can get. CK and CC rods are also very rich a WOT. as for using vette manifolds, dont bother, headers arent that expensive, hedman shorties or long tubes will work great. t4 cam? do you mean an LT4 cam? anyway just get a good flat tappet cam from Crane or Comp, one that is not designed for computer/FI cars. new springs (a must) and some nice 1.6:1 ratio roller rockers will help out as well.

88 IROC BOB

I won't get into a pissing contest. I have respect for any street car that will run 12's (including yours).

I think the only thing that myself and a lot others are disagreeing on is the "stock" part. Like was said before, your car is no more stock than mine would be with a nice healthy LS6 dropped in mine (which would have me running high 12's as well).

No hard feelings and good luck on the buildup!

Bob

Mark A Shields

Anyone find anything odd about those pics..

johnyIROC

The pics and times are legit.... I know people who know him.

The only issue is that the car is far from stock.

Daz

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I cant say sheeit cause my stock motor blew up..lol

welcome 85TAWS6..

Daz