eric m 91 rs

sold the Real Slow 91 and just picked up an 89 roc, my whole goal with this car is to stomp ls1's and mustangs to a lesser extent. savin up like 6k to throw into the motor/car, half way there. gonna invest in a set of afr 195's along with a mini-ram then im gonna take the left over cash and do some tranny work and get a new rear end

eric m 91 rs

sorry hit the wrong button, do you guys think that setup with say a zz-9 tpis cam will do the trick? i mean will i have to worry about those ls1's walking away from me anymore? i hope not.

Mad-Mic

you can hit alot of horsepower with the mini ram setup. just make sure you get roller lifters installed cause high (50k and up) mile motors the lifters wear and will wear the cam lobes faster. since your gonna cam it anyway and do the heads mind as well make it full roller. 1.6 Roller rockers (maybe 1.5's if you use stock valve covers for clearance don't know if the 1.6's will clear. they won't in a vette with out some mods to the valve cover) with the AFR 195 heads and a mini ram setup you might want to look at the ZZ409 cam but a ZZ9 cam will put you mid to high 12's pretty easy with your setup with a good posi and gears with a nice 2800 or so stall.

good luck!

Black363IROCZ

L98 to 363 w/forged stroker kit + solid roller + mini-ram + fast burns + build drivetrain > vipers, vettes, 12+ second cars
you could probably do 11s with the 350 but it'd be a little harder and you'd have less room for error.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Thats great and all, but wrong board.

iroc22

Moving to a more appropriate board......

CETATornado

Good luck with your project man, but what's with the rivalry against us fellow 4th- and 3rd-genners ?

We-ell, LS1 vettes maybe, but only in the quarter...Z06's, Vipers, just no...the quarter mile, while definitely a nice performance benchmark, certainly isn't everything.

To be able to stomp most LS1's (that is one's with anywhere near gearhead owners) you'll need to be in the 11's - heads, cam, and exhaust is all an LS1 F-bod needs to hit such numbers. Once again, good luck!

ArcticLS1

Good Luck and happy modding!

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LS1s are pretty bad *** they already got a 100+ wheel hp over the L98. why not swap an LS1 into ur car?

BuckeyeROC

Your plan sounds good, except I would get a bigger cam than the ZZ-9. Depending on if this is a daily driver and what you feel comfortable driving around in everyday and how high you want to spin the motor, I'd look into something between 224-239 duration. You might not want to spin much past 6000 rpm if it's the stock bottom end w/ some miles on it. It also might be worth your money to have the bottom end built for higher rpm's if you plan on a really large cam.

LS1's are pretty quick, mine ran 109 MPH in the 1/4 with an airlid and catback, that's good for solid 12's with traction. I see guys at LS1tech.com running low 11's w/ a cam and bolt-ons and then solid 10's when they add ported heads.

Also, in the LS1, I raced an LT1 Camaro w/ a Comp 224 cam, ported stock heads, ported intake, and full exhaust from 40-125 MPH twice and won by 1/2 car both times. So I'd get at least a 224 cam. You should have no problems running low 12's or even 11's with a decent size cam.

Here are some popular LT1 cams: http://www.fierolt1.com/lt1_camdata.htm

Perry93TransAm

My ported heads and aftermarket cam'd LT1 runs low 12s all day long. The cam I settled on that really works and would probably work with the stealth ram is one of comp cams X-energy ones say the 224/232 one on a 112 lobe sep. the AFRs are excellent heads and out of the box on a 11 to 1 350 with the mentioned cam, 3000 -3500 stall ,and some 3.73 or so gears it will flat fly. Lose some weight (on the car and you too...lol). The stealthram has seemed to be a godsend for third gen TPI cars IMO.

Dano 00TA

What's with the wanting to stomp LS1's and to a lesser extent Mustangs? Isn't that like fighting against your allies instead of with them??

And yes I know there's some cocky LS1 owners out there and they put down 3rd gens but just remember, there was a time when the 3rd gens were the top of the food chain and there were cocky 3rd gen owners putting down a fair share of 2nd gens....


I wonder if the Mustang guys want to beat each other instead of the hated F-Body's?? I kinda doubt it.....


Can't we all just get along :lala: :lala:

SLP IROC-Z

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go to mustang sites they put down F bodys all day long

Dano 00TA

Yeah, that's what I mean. They put down F-Bodys, not other Mustangs, while people here put down LS1's

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yupper

bigals87z28

[flame] WE put down LS1's? OH really... ill remember the next time i punk out some modded LS1 and tell him to go home cause his engine aint as big as his mouth... wtf? yea, we put them down cause we cant stand the crap we get from 4th gens, and i belive that goes for almost every 3rd gen owner.. they have at least met one 4th gen ahole that has put them down. [/flame]

fly89gta

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dude you don't need AFR heads to stomp LS1's. It's overkill. Get a good set of Vortec heads and warm them over a bit, they'll do the trick

Dano 00TA

So one LS1 owner puts you down and you want to start a war over it. Man, get over it!! We are not children in grade school here!! Like I said "some" 4th gen owners will pick on 3rd gen owners just like in the past "some" 3rd gen owners picked on 2nd gen owners. It's gonna happen no matter what you do just like if they continued the fbody and came out with a 5th gen, guess what? "Some" will prolly have picked on 4th gen owners.

I have never put down a 3rd gen either on the street or on this board and have never been put down on the street while I'm in my IROC and have yet to see any negative posts about 3rd gens on any LS1 board that I've been on. Damn, they're ALL F-BODYS!!

Perry93TransAm

Every board I have been on treats the third gen like a red headed step child, I own both third and 4th gens and I can say when I drive my 4th gen to a cruse spot and park with everyone else I get questions and admirers. When I parked my 86 (which I recently sold to my 16 year old cousin) in the same crowd it didnt even get a second glance and the thing sounds mean as all get out.

CrazyHawaiian

My goal with my orange car is to build a Z06 killer. Its not that I'm against Z06's or anything, but I look up to those cars as being the top of the line chevy performance car (its a high standard). So I set that as my goal and then mod to achieve it. I have alot of work ahead of me (just rode in my friends Z06 today and he topped out 3rd gear @ 120 mph weee).

Maybe this guy feels the same way about LS1's?

ArcticLS1

LS1 are the king of the road right now and when your the champ everyone wants to beat ya. Thats why everyone goes after LS1s. Its ok though, i tell them to bring it! When it comes to running someone for bragging rights o whatever, i will only run them if they are i my class, that way i usually dont lose.

vwdave

Most of the LS1 owners I've met are *******s. Plain and simple. The only ones that are not, are those who used to own 3rd gens. The ones that seem to be jerks, are the ones who that is their first F-Body and they feel that all other f-bodys made before should be sent to the scrap-yard.

One of the LS1 boys pissed me off and I told him. "If I spent $30k and am running only 13's, I would shoot myself in the head for being such a idiot. As for the great gas mileage, I can make my car run 11's, and buy a car that gets 40mpg with the money left over and still have extra for gas and insurance."

fly89gta

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normally I don't defend LS1 owners too much because a majority of the ones I've run into are dicks too but those comments are retarded.

Not every LS1 Fbody is 30K. You can get a stripped Z for 24-26K Also...how much were thirdgens new? About 22K depending on a few things. For the price in today's day and age they're a damn good deal. They're a WAY better platform to build on then some ragged out LG4 or LO3, or even a L98.

I could EASILY bring up the $$ or lackthereof spent on my motor swap in an arguement against LS1's...but it's pointless....

bigals87z28

I have only met few LS1 guys that are cool. And yes, most of them owned or own a thirdgen. I think they are just mad cause our cars just look more like a car, and not like a dress shoe

wyclefsirocz

i got an idea foget the whole 350nthing, and the mini ram, and save up a total of 10grand,
4500- solid 700r4 w/ 2800+ stall, new gears and a new rear end.
5500- all for the motor. 383/afr/zz409/hsr

with some right tuning tyou can be running some mid low 11's and eating most things out there. but most likly this isn' practcal and now iwould say for 6 grand i would do this,
gears,hsr,LCA's, zz9 cam and some good heads, like some afr'S and then have some fun mid 12's. you inZ06 territory so loo out, but i don't know how the bottom end is gonna hold up, but hey a 383 kit would allways be nice to have.

ArcticLS1

I agree that alot of LS1 owners are cocky, LS1s are fast and therfore if someone in that mindset gets one, he is going to put slower cars down. Not all LS1s are 30K either, mabey brand new ones especially WS6s and SSs. But i got mine preused for $17,000 two years ago.. Thats still alot more expensive then a 3rdgen, but 12-15 years ago a new Iroc was alot more expensive then a 2nd gen. The LS1 is just a killer platform to start off of. With basic bolt ons and a shot of nitrous LS1s can be pretty much untouchable. i know. A 3rdgen would require alot more work to be at that level...

eric m 91 rs

out here in maryland ive run into some ls1 guys who think their car is the absolute **** no if ands or buts about it, everyone i know whether they be ricers, import drivers, domestic drivers, whoever looks at a thirdgen around here and says that car is a piece of ****. my buddy just got a new svt cobra 390 hp looks at my car and says no matter what i do to it hel walk away from me all day. theres a kid who runs around here with a red ls1 z28 with the ss hood and swears up and down that he can run away from anything. my whole goal with this car is to shut these people up and its not just these 2 in particular but the thridgens get disrespected by alot of people in general, so with that said i want a car thats just gonna walk these guys all day especially the ls1 *******s, now i realize there will always be someone with a quicker faster car no matter what i do and thats cool with me and if they have a car faster then mine they will respect it for what it is, but my agression is more aimed at the **** talking kids who have never turned a wrench and think there car is the **** because mommy and daddy dropped 30k+. thats all i have to say on that and i have decided to go through the bottom end and rebuild and i am also looking at the 409 cam but have also took the zz-x into consideration as well. sorry for the long winded rant im sure you guys know what i am talking about.

vwdave

The price range I seen for LS1's NEW on the ****ING DEALER LOT were 29-38k. Maybe our dealers were ripping people off? I donno, but the 29k IIRC was a Gutted Formula. I can get a WS6 for about $15k right now, but 95% of the LS1 owners I know bought them new. Thats why I brought it up.

Call me a contridicting ****, but I dont really care what 3rd gens were new, that was 11-21 years ago, most of us are not the original owners, so I think its kinda a moot point.

What gives me my hatred of them is from them talking about how great their car is, to a few of them telling me I should sell my slow piece of **** and and use the money on a LS1.

I respect the cars, I hate the owners. I pretty much always will.

25THRSS

I also think it's rediculous to hate other year f body's. It's pretty stupid people. Hell, I even stopped disliking stangs now because I want to put all my attention on the ****, lol. I happen to own a 92 rs, a 94 z28, and a 2000 z28. My 2000 is currently the fastest with an estimated 500+ hp, but does that mean it is my favorite?, nope. My favorite car of all time has to be my 92. Sorry guys, but just because an LS1 happens to come from the factory faster than third gens doesn't mean you cant make it super fast and stomp on LS1's all day long and spend less money at it too. My biggest thing going for my third gen is the looks. My third gen would kick any 4th gen's *** any day of the week in the looks catagory. I have always believed you can do an almost infinite amount of mods to make something faster, but you can only go so far as far as looks go. I like to think of it as the 92 being just plain bad *** and sexy looking, the 94 being a giant wedge, and the 2000 being a sebrine on steroids, lol. Coming straight from the mouth of an owner of both generations, the third gen in my mind will always be the ultimate generation f body. I still believe that we should all band together and put our differences aside and kick some **** *** though, lol. After all, we are all f body owners and I think that is something to be proud of, no matter what generation.

fly89gta

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prozak is your friend...

camaro-mayhem

on the topic ive always heard that mini ram + LT4 hot cam kit is a good combo.

you could always go stealth ram if you wanted to save a bit of cash for exhaust and that sorta deal too.

camaro-mayhem

lol, even if you are abit slower then them, remind them how much your car cost to get there compared to theres

Kingtal0n

heh. not putting down LS1s or thirdgens but...

For 30K (or anything close to it) we could do what monty did...

and have... erhm.. excuse me... well over 3 times the power of any Ls1 or mini rammed thirdgen.

$$$ does NOT equal HP by any means, not what im saying, but the point about the $ is up to the buyer...

Does the guy want a nice new 4th gen so he can pick on us thirdgenners (and be a meany)?

Or does he want an 1100 Horsepower thirdgen(ok vette monty) to pick on Ls1's and vipers and vettes and hell just about everything on the street...

to each their own. its what you prefer.

ArcticLS1

i prefer to buy a 17-30K LS1 4th gen, slapping on $400 nitrous kit, and picking on all the 3rdgens whom have tuend them into race cars loseing all driveabality to beat a stock 4thgen. j/k

wyclefsirocz

hehehehehe--
just get a good rear end, and a T56 for about 5 grand. then go get ur self a killer 383.(450hp) and you willhave something really nice.

Dano 00TA

Yeah, to each his own pretty much should sum it up As far as spending 30 grand to run 13's you gotta remember most people didn't pay that money to run 13's. I sure as hell didn't buy my car because of what it ran or that it was very easy to get in the 11's/12's I bought it cause I love it. I wouldn't care if it ran 14's or 15's If I wanted a race car I could build one for a third of what my TA cost. Hell I had a 70 chevelle that had a built 427 in it with a 350 trans/4:56 10 bolt rear that ran high 10's/low11's and it cost me prolly 2 grand to build. Sure it was fun but I just love the look of my TA even though it isn't as fast

The thing with some 4th gen owners I can't figure is why they'd buy a brand new car then proceed to build a total trailer queen race car out of it Now "to me" that's a waste of cash there. Granted they prolly make a hell of alot more money than me and can afford to do that!!

DannyT

LOL, they make nitrous kits for pretty much everything. It doesn't "magically" work better in your car than any of ours.

vwdave

I know a guy that bought a brand new, loaded WS6 T/A and did that. Granted, the car is a pro-street car now but geez, get a older V6 and gut that car, your changing everything anyway.

ArcticLS1

True, but we already have a 100hp head start on an L98 right off the bat. I dotn know how well some 3rdgens respond to nitrous, but LS1s respond to nitrous like cobras do to chargers. I ran an 11.50 on a 150 dry kit. But it just takes a little more work on a 3rdgen to catch up, no big deal. What you all need to do is stop worring about LS1s and set your goals to beat the 2003 Cobras with a chip, exhaust and pullies pushing 450hp. I know my car gives them hell.

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haha ur stuck in the 80s pal, its pretty easy to get a thirdgen to keep up with LS1s and have better drivability and gas mileage then when they were new.

CETATornado

Erm...I'm not too sure on that one. From what I've read, it takes a fair bit to get an L98 third gen to run low 13's, and that's what LS1 F-bods will do bone stock. It's not at all hard to get an LS1 to run 11's too - intake, exhaust, H/C, which is rather faster than the majority of cars on these boards...I won't go into drivability and mileage because I have no experience with these areas in a 3rd gen (yet)...I'm not trying to call the LS1 invincible by any stretch of the imagination, all I'm saying is that a third gen will need significantly more work than an LS1 F-body to run the same numbers. And for the people who do get their 3rd gens into LS1 territory, more power to ya! My goal for my Camaro is to get it into thelow-mid 13's naturally aspirated;after that will come the supercharger ...

True, there are some LS1 owners who are cocky and rude, but that goes for every car...don't hate a certain car and all of their drivers due to the attitudes of a select few. Like people above me have said, I still don't get why some people have so much aggression against the same car, just a different model year...

I'm just stating what I know to be the truth, I'm not trying to insult third gens AT ALL (obviously, since I'm getting one as soon as I get my license), and I apologize if I offended anyone.

camarojoe

Hmm, I'd be happy to be able to afford a 30K car that runs 13's that if totaled doesn't make you eat $$$$ as if you wreck a 30K third gen. Trust me, the ls-1 guys sometimes act like jerks, because their cars really are worth a lot more than thirdgens. What do most thirdgens book for? About 2-4K right? The newer fourthgens are valued at 15-20K. You can go a lot faster in a new car with less risk of eating your *** if you get your car smashed up. I'll be getting a newer car next year after I graduate, that's reliable, fast, and most importantly under warranty. I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Iroc soon if ever, but really it's risky to drive such an investment as a daily driver, in the snow, etc. I agree with some of the guys on here like Buckeyeroc who have the best of both worlds. A new f-bod and an older one as a toy, which also looks a lot cooler. I feel kind of bad for others, like, 87fakeirocz, who got rid of both of his thirdgens for a newer z28.

Abubaca

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The only "team" I'm on is the respect other peoples car team. If you can't respect my ride, I won't respect yours. There's a guy runnin' around town with an accord with a tag that reads "niceR i c e". He's one of the coolest car guys I've ever met. Same goes for Stangs and 4th gens. Sure I relate to GM guys best, but I don't race much anymore, and I just want to enjoy the hobby.

It's all in your attitude, not your brand of car.:lala:

DannyT

My goal is to be faster than I was before. Yes it is frustrating that I am barely faster than SOME stock LS1s but I was modding my 3rd gen before LS1s even came out. With drag radials I would easily be in mid-high 12s N/A but I have done pretty much everything I can to my car and still remain CA smog legal.

Kingtal0n

<b>and that's what LS1 F-bods will do bone stock.</b>


Its funny but LS1 "Stock" is nothing like thirdgen's "Stock".
Its like comparing a 305TBI to a 350TPI thirdgen... there is no comparison at all from the factory. the 4th gen crowd has that factory advantage of excellent heads/cam combo right from the factory.... and backed by excellent gearings which most thirdgens didnt come with and excellent sequential EFI and a modern computer etc etc... The fourth gen crowd has a much better "Stock" than the thirdgens ever did. Hell it even comes with decent exhaust.

So when all you people use the word "stock 4th gen" thats like saying "modified thirdgen" because thats exactly what an LS1 is, a redesigned motor "modified" for todays technology and standards.

CETATornado

Isn't that the entire point ? All I was saying is that a third gen will need a good deal of modding to run as fast as an LS1 does...

Kingtal0n

<b> Isn't that the entire point? </b>

Yes that is THE point! Most people just cant figure that out though... especially the uneducated fourth gen crowd. they assume because they have an expensive new car that its going to outrun any other car out there. its that "LS1 mentality" that the Ls1 is a special super motor thats better than any other small block chevy... and it isnt.

CETATornado

Ah, ok, I see what you mean...Certainly there are some people who believe their LS1's are invincible, but like I said earlier, there are people like that for all cars...any car can be made fast, and there are 3rd gens on here that would destroy LS1s...

However, the LS1 motor is still a remarkable engine - you can't possibly argue with 310hp and about 335tq to the wheels (the LS1 is severely underrated, those are typical dyno numbers) in a car that can be had brand new in the low $20k range...it's also easy to modifiy and make wicked fast. It is regarded by many as one of the greatest small blocks out there...and while LS1 F-bods are far from the most incredibly fast cars out there, they are an amazing achievement and value.

age

I really hope that you really are "j/k" with that statement, because that's one of the most ignorant things to say, on all levels. It really is, and I'm not even going to try and prove my point.

Dano 00TA

And around and around we go....where we'll stop nobody knows.....prolly when the heat gets unbearable and the thread gets the old lockaroo

Ok Ok!! Can't we just leave it alone?? If you prefer 3rd or 4th gens then fine!! I happen to like 'em both. It's not the end of the world cause a 4th gen is faster and easier than a 3rd to go fast. It's called technology. It keeps getting further advanced and it so happens that the engines do to. If they kept making f-bodys the 5th gen would prolly be faster then the 4th gens but it wouldn't put me on a rampage to wanna beat on 'em. I'm faster than some and slower than some, makes no difference to me!! Let's just have fun with what we got and be happy
:lala: oh and concentrate on the Mustangs.....cause you know what the Mustang drivers are saying if they read this?? "Divide and conquer"!! and that's just what's happening here