eric m 91 rs

lately ive been kicking around the idea of a ttv6 , has anyone done this before or am i alone here. if anyone has done this could you please let me know how it turned out.

FruityOne

You could always try the button. Works great from what I hear.

As to your original question I beleive there someone on these boards fabricating a turbo setup for a 2.8L v6 bird. Not sure of his user name. It would probably help if I searched for it. Not only that, but do you have any idea how much tuning, and prom burning you'd have to do for a setup like this? Do you have welding skills? All the tools nessesary for this? Its a HUGE job, and you don't sound like you know what you need to know. Stick with a 350sbc, its much easier and cheaper for those of us without the skills, money, or time for such an involved project.

firebird13

There is only one companny that makes them..and he has to custom make them.. so if you want me to hook you up ..i have been in tuch with him for sometime..if you want to know more email me at throop13@AOL.COM

eric m 91 rs

fruity one its funny how u say i dont know enough to be capable of installing/tuning for a setup like a ttv6. let me ask you one question, where in my original post did it say anything about my mechanical inclination? ok it didnt so keep your ignorant thoughts to your self. second off, while i may or may not be capable of doing such a project myself im sure between me, my brother and my father we would be more than capable of tackling such a task. you see me i read alot of info about cars (i spend way too much time reading about cars), like many many others, and while at the age of 18 i may not have the expierence to undertake such a project but with the help of my brother, an a.s.e. master mechanic, who also has expierence of working on a race crew (albeit a thunder car, the motor they had in that car was truly bad *** making 600+ horse at close to 7k rpms) and my father who dabbled in mechanics during the great muscle car era of the late 60's, while he may not have the mechanical know-how to handle todays fuel injected cars he can certainly take care of any welding that will need to be done. and on to the 3rd issue: tuning yes i will agree with you there i do not know enough about tinkering with engine perameters to properly tune a car of this kind of setup. but thats why there are people who do prom tuning and things of the sort, and like everything else all it takes is a little time patience and attention and i too could learn how to do such tuning. so instead of giving me a bunch of **** about how i dont know what im doing why dont you just answer the question i had or just not respond, i mean you dindt answer my question and you have no expierence with this setup so i guess fruity one you should of just skipped over this thread.

84TAProject

LMAO @Fruity One. Guys face it. No one is ever going to build a twin turbo 6. Lets see, its cheaper to just do the 8 cylinder route. The idea is constantly thrown around and NO ONE ever follows through on it. I'm willing to bet money it never happens.

87WS6

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If anyone can make a TTV6 more power to them. I think it's a good idea. For most people however money is a factor. So is time.

It's hard to beat the SBC 350 for HP-$$$$ ratio. Best thing to do is drop in a 350 or 383. Or you can even drop in a 305. Theres enough of them out there that don't get used. Hell if you wait long enough my 305 will be ready to go soon. I won't be needing it when I build a 350 or 383.

I've done the research. I considered a stroker for my 305. And I considered supercharging it.

I can get more HP for less money with a 350. It is as simple as that.

elevario

It's been done, but not in a camaro......

fly89gta

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Agreed.

eric m 91 rs

yes while it is certainly cheaper to do a 350, thats not the point of such a project. arent you guys tired of seeing the same setup on 50 different cars? lets face it our cars, the 3rd gen f-body, are a dime a dozen so theres not much we can do to individualize our vehicles as far as appearence goes but one place where we can strike new ground is to build a different engine than what everyone esle has in there. and lets face it you would have to look high and low to find a tt f-body. i know of one such car and it was a heavily modded 69 ss with a 355 tt, wich i read about in one of the car mags, chevy hp i believe.

TomP

We're also tired of hearing people talk about twin turbo v6's in f-bodies, but ... If you do it, good luck, you'll be instantly famous if you put even a SINGLE turbo on it!! And if you do so, take tons of pictures...

bes217

Hey if you have the time and the money go ahead and do it. But I would be willing to bet that when you find out how big of a project it is going to be you will drop the idea. It's just not worth it to build up the engines. Face the music man, this topic has been beat to death on here twenty times over.

DreamState21x

I agree, if you think it's a good idea go for it.. I see some cars on here that look some what like mine but I have never been driving and seen one like mine anywhere.. I can't leave the house without getting some coments everywhere I go.. I was also going to build the 335 stroker, which would have been way cheaper than the 350 im building now.. But I wanted the power.. Anyways, if you think it's a good idea, go for it dude.....:rockon:

TechSmurf

I hate to break it to the nonbelievers, but there's a reason I kept my v6 when I bought my v8.. It's getting boosted. Period. Not twin, mind you, as I really don't see the point in twin, and I already have a single turbo more than capable of pushing the poor 2.8 to its limits (and about 20psi beyond those limits).. The required prom tuning is insane, granted, however it is doable. CATS does have the tuner files required to take care of our V6 ECUs, and it's honestly alot easier to turbo a v6 than a small block.. or have you not tried to change your plugs lately? (much less actually get in there to fabricate a full turbo exhaust system.. yech)

Doward

Oh, blah, blah, blah. I'm so sick of all the smack talking of turbo'in one of these 2.8s. Nobody's done it in an fbody. Will anyone ever do it? Yes, someone will.

F585

How much exactly would it cost to twin turbo a 2.8?

Doward

Exactly $290.

AGood2.8

It'll cost you aprox $6,000 + another $1785.95 when your done.

F585

Well, I didn't say I was going to do it... I just wanted to know what the big deal was about tt a 2.8

aaron7

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I'm leaning toward the forget-it-unless-you-are-totally-going-to-do-it side. I have seen so many people with hopes and dreams of making a single/twin turbo setup for an f-body, but I don't think I ahve ever seen one; or ever will. The fabrication would be extensive, not to mention the whole mess would have to be designed, engineered, and built from nearly scratch.

If anyone does ever do it, let me know

TomP

LOL, Doward!! Does that include tax?

fly89gta

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bah, just get a 3.8 and do it

firechicken_-54

hey fly89gta i was wondering if the tta 3.8's are the same as the 3800 series

AGood2.8

O.K. no one bit but let me explain my answer.

$6000 for customizing everything for the 2.8 TT buildup

And then $1785.95 is the cost of a new 3.4 crate motor that you will be buying after you grenade that piece of crap 2.8 from all the new crank pressure.

TechSmurf

Mmm *pets the turbo sitting in his lap* Anyone got some tubing I can use to make the manifold real quick?

TechSmurf

Well, finally tracked down specs on the turbo.. looks like I won't be using it after all. Poor thing is a Mitsubishi TE-05-12 off a 2.0l saab 900.. however, it will work perfectly on my friend's car of foreign origin, and I may be able to get a straight trade for the turbo he has laying around (KKK-26 off a Porsche 944, designed for a high-rev 2.5l, should be a near-perfect match for the 2.8 ... just needs a friggin wastegate, which is integral on the Mitsu TE-05) ... so yes, I guess I still am blowing smoke for now. Sorry folks

ChillPhatCat

No they are not the same... first and foremost, the tta engine is a 120 degree engine and the 3800 Series are 90 degree engines... same bore and stroke I believe though... both are 231 CI

Nixon1

Those TTA's are 120 degrees?? Are you serious?? I always thought they used a 90 degree block!!

TechSmurf

120 Degree?! .... Show me a GM spec sheet. Till then, I argue that they're 90 degree.

My couch is starting to resemble some freakishly scary junkyard.. that TE-05 has a friend over.. the KKK-26#6 will work just fine for what I want at the moment.. and it's here.. along with the mitsu.. .. why do I have a pair of turbos on my couch? =P

Tracking down a stock 944 wastegate.. and a BOV off just about anything... maybe even an intercooler, though I can deal without that for now... getting contacts together for the turbo manifold, which should be ready by the end of the month if things continue as planned.. getting oiling system prepped.. slight work to the turbo.. .. muahahaha.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

they are 90* motors

120*

mw66nova

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did anyone ever make a 120* anything?

Nixon1

If someone did....*** it must be funny looking.

FastKitteN

2.8 liters, twin Garrett T-3's, 3" air to air intercooler...Coming soon...Eventually actually

We wasted the trans in it, so now it's time to start in on our engine while were getting that done. Hardest things to fabricate are going to be the headers. Other than that it's cake Were looking at around $500 for the twin turbo setup due to the fact the turbos, intercooler, BOV, waste gate were purchased at the junkyard for $0

TechSmurf

Oh bah. I can't find a free wastegate or bov to save my life =P

fly89gta

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it's a 90* block

and no they're not the same as the 3800 series motors

turboscott

Why not just buy a TTA. You get your third gen look with the turbo you want and it will be original, and most likely cheaper than trying to put one on the 2.8. IMO anyway.

Doward

You don't need fancy headers, or twin turbos to turbocharge a 2.8, people! It's really not hard to turbo one of these guys, it just takes planning, and time.

fly89gta

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Have you done it? If not when is yours going to be done?

Doward

I'm picking up the turbo and intercooler this weekend, in exchange for some computer work.

I've already got a rough prototype (read, clothes hanger) of the exhaust routing.

I'm ordering the Mandrel bends and tubing next Friday.

I should have the flange/pipes welded up the following Friday.

Only thing left is to locate a BOV, and figure out the intake routing.

I'd say about a month, give or take... why do you ask?

fly89gta

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well if you think doing a turbo system is so easy I was asking when yours was going in that's all

I guess we'll see you posting in a month or so. As for the BOV placement put it on the pipe going from the intercool to the TB...that's where the turbobuick guys put theirs normally

Doward

er.. yeah, that was the idea

Actually, I'm still trying to figure out if the BOV should be before or after the MAF... I'm a touch worried that under boost, when I slam the next gear, if the BOV's release of air is going to screw up the MAF reading horribly, or if it'll be smooth.

Once the hardware is in, its all a matter of tuning her out.

Anyway. Until I actually get some system together, I'm not saying anything else.

F585

Hey Doward, last night you didn't mention anything about a turbo set up for your mods

Doward

I said an exhaust mod, didn't I?

F585

Yes you did but! you didn't say nothing about headers when I asked

Doward

Not going to make headers. Using stock exhaust manifolds.

fly89gta

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where are the MAF's located on the 2.8, I forget...

and it's going to be a 5-speed eh? I sure hope you don't go with too big of a turbo or else you're gonna lag like a *****

put the BOV AFTER the MAF

Doward

But then I'm reading air that's not going into the motor..

Well, on 2nd thought, I guess too rich is better than too lean

F585

Well, its your $290 Doward:sillylol:

Doward

Did you guys think I was kidding about that price?

$50 T3
$100 exhaust tubing
$20 chip (till I get my own programmer)
$40 (?) for a DSM 1g BOV
$80 19pph injectors

Intercooler and Mitsu TE04 for free.

fly89gta

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exactly...too lean begins to make things go boom lol

Nixon1

Oh yes. So does too much boost. Wish I could send you all this video I got... Pretty new turbo Eclipse..he bounces it off the limiter for about 5 seconds and launches it. Hits 3rd gear and rips his block apart. Few big pieces, rips a piston top off the connecting rod, and the connecting rod breaks in half off the crank. The adjacent cylinder blew a hole about an inch and a half wide and 1 inch tall in the cylinder wall.