confucius101

just so i got all this straight and
don't have to bother any of you again

I have a 3.1 now but would one day like to swap in a 3.4 for more power you've'e each given me a lot of info in the past but i just want to make sure i got it all down straight before i start ordering things next week and yes i will keep you all posted on how it all works out


now with that said would i be better off building the 3.1and swapping over the parts later on if so what parts will still work with the 3.4 and can you recommend and specific items and or part numbers?

All I've really done so far has been suspension work except for the headers and the cat back (see sig) and i've just ordered the RAII HOOD (now i just need to track down and air box ASCD does not sell them )

ok so here is the list of this we've come up with so far so let me know what you all think


timing chain
ignition
coil
Supersix ported and polished heads
Crane roller rocker kit
Cam
push rods
valve springs
Aluminum driveshaft
under drive pulley
injectors


now is there anything that i've missed??????
My over all goal is to get as much out of this engine as i can
and when and only if she dies will i swap up

I'm sorry for the book!!!
and thanks again for everything


Hey Mod's is there anyway you guy's could just create a tech sheet or something
for us non mechanics's and newbie's that is engine and maybe year specific with companies and part numbers b/c i've been looking around here for so long and reading so much
most of which had nothing to do with what i was searching for i might add
something sort of like cliff notes you know you all have so much info you your heads and down in these post but when we search for stuff we end up missing so much of b/c of the vast number of search options we have........
just a thought and if there is already one here somewhere that i've missed please point me in the right direction

Thanks Again

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Their is a company in canada called FDP that makes a 62mm TB for these engines, agood has one.

Other then that, I think you got the majority licked.

Dont forget about the break drums

trickedout02

Were did u get ur Custom Headers for ur 3.1 and how much did they cost???

Been looking forever and people say they have there custom, If ur getting rid of ut 3.1 can I buy ur headers off of u???

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Them headers will fit on his 3.4l if/when he swaps to it, so doubt he will want to get rid of them

Their is a thread at the top of this forum on where to get some at.

Y2KFirehawk

I bookmarked that a while back! Here it is for ya!


FDP Performance - Throttle Bodies

confucius101

ok so this what is what i've put together so far please let me know if i've missed anything or if you's recomend any other products

after weeks & weeks of searching and bugging some of if not most of you this is what i've put together

(i still do not under stand any of the cam / rocker stuff)



Sumitt part numbers

Part # Item Price Qty Line Total Select

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ACC-150617 Fuel Injectors 17Lb Set 6 $173.69

ASP-541-801 PULLEY $53.69

CLO-931-37 TIMING SET TRUE SERIES $94.95

CRN-254122 Chevrolet: 1981-89 2.8L-3.4L, 264/274 advertised duration, Compucam 2030, hydraulic, cam and lifter ... $169.95

CRN-25621-12 Pushrods Chromemoly 80-88 Chevy 60° 173 W/Cast Iron In-Line Valve Cyl. Heads $98.69

CRN-25759-12 Rocker Arms Gold Race Chevrolet V-6 80-94 2.8L/3.1L 1.6 Ratio 3/8" Stud $393.69

CRN-99848-12 1.255 in. O.D., .870 in. I.D., single, steel, valve spring set... $64.99

MSD-6200 MSD-6A Ignition Control ... $149.95

MSD-8202 Blaster 2 Coil for MSD ignitions and OEM electronic ignitions ... $28.95

PWM-57860 140 AMP BLACK ALT LATE MODEL DELCO `94-`95 2.3L `88-`92 2.8L CHEVY,OLDS $219.95


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I'm still looking into the super six heads and they offer several ofther items i'm trying to get more info on

and i need to contact fdp for their tb


but tell me what do you think?

unvc92camarors

i was just looknig at your list...and why are you buying 1.6 rockers for 400$?!
check the thread below, called 1:52 or 1:6 rockers
you should get some for like 100-150 bucks or something
i dnot know, maybe you're gettin those for some big reason, something that i might not know
just a suggestion

edit: also, if you get 1:6 rockers, you need to get either fiero or edelbrock valve covers so they dont float
once again, check the thrread mentioned, it helped me learn a LOT about cams and stuff, and i had no idea previously

Dale

iTrader: (12)

I would save my 150 and not get the 6a box, I have heard several people say that its not worth the gains, unless your going for every .5hp out the engine.

TomP

Yep; I totally agree. I got the MSD 6AL because I ran out of easy bolt-on's to do-- and noticed no major difference. Had a bit more power at upper RPM's but nothing astonishing, hell it was probably just in my own head. And the car took a 1/2 second more to start ever since. Just get a coil for now, add the MSD box much much later.

confucius101

i'm still stuck on the 1:52 / 1:6 thing LOL
i just don't get it
but i was actualy thinking about just getting the 1:52 and putting the rest of the cash into a 4th gen interior
(what do they go for anyway?) a guy i spoke to offered me a complete package for 1000

as for the valve covers do any of you have a part number for the edlebrock set sumitt was at a loss
and just now told me that they would not fit.

as for the box..... well i'm still getting the code 35 and we are still at a complete loss so i just figured while i was having everything else done i'd go ahead a upgrade the ingnition as well.

is there any other box i should look at ?

that brings me to another question (s)

how much por15 would i need to coat the entire engine bay?

what other parts will i need when installing the heads and everything else?

the guy's working on this with me just said to be sure to get everything needed so there are no delays.

AGood2.8

You are spending alot of money to only increase your lift from aprox .390"/.409" to .422"/.438". I would not recommend the gold rockers (and valve covers to go with) unless you are above .450 on both- just my opinion. I mean, you can just slip in a cam to get the entire lift you are looking for and run it off of 1.52 rockers or even stock rockers for much cheaper with that lift .
{Edit: Opps, my bad. The cam you are choising is .423/.423 lift, not the .264/.274 (I see you post duration after those specs) Sorry, I now the stock cam has primary lift very close to that (.262"/.273" before rocker lift added.) Disregard this and my next paragraph about Aluminum rockers- What you have choosen looks great- total lift of .451/.451}

{Edit: Disregard this}-The gold Aluminum rockers built strong and lightweight for speed pivoting with high lift, long duration cams that need to close quickly and not be hampered by excess weight/closing time (a.k.a floating a valve at high r's). If you are going to spend the money on them and covers to fit them, I would recommend going a little hotter on the cam profile- again just my opinion.

You mentioned "custom headers"- May I ask who's are they(brand)? If they are not adequate (CHC crap) then I would highly recommend purchasing a set from Greg at PF&E. You do all that motor work and the choke things through stock exhaust manifolds, then efforts will be mostly worthless unless the motor can escavate properly.

Ignition? All you need is a hpertech 53,000V coil (stock is 38,000V) #4055, Some good wires with firesleeves to protct the boots, the good ol' A/C Delco ignition module(nothing better than Delco - They are workhorses- others are crap)- and stay away from Bosch +4's and rapid fire plugs! You'll burn them up fast- I just tried the Rapid fires- they suck- pulled them right back out and tried the new Autolite double platinums- what a great plug.

confucius101

ok so let's try it this way if this was your 3.1
what would you do to get the most of her
or should i just go for a 3.4 and call it a day?

as for the headers well the CHC's are still up on a shelf in a box makered return to sender they just would not fit in
so the shop i went to for the install and y-pipe made me a set seen as how they already had the car a part

AGood2.8

Sorry, look back at my first post, I editted it- I made a mistake on what I read from your cam purchase post.

Good deal on custom built headers, You are not the only one that lost out on that CHC crap- I sent the kid $50 to help him get a set to C.A.R.B. for smog approval- never happened- The dishonest fu(k.

confucius101

LOL ok so where were we again

Y2KFirehawk

You can count me as one of those people who got a set of the CHC headers....... I'm thinking about decorating my garage with them as I save my money to buy a set of those other ones offered here on the board.

AGood2.8

Crane Cam 254122 (.423/.423 lift w/ 1.5's) combined with Aluminum gold 1.6 rockers will give you .451/.451 lift- You will notice a big increase in power with that setup- Only you will need to find Fiero used valve covers (I don't know if the Edelbrock ones will work- I do know they don't have baffles in them- I perfer the Fiero ones)

If you have to choose between Tthe above valve train combo, or buying Supersix heads- I would say go for the heads first- HP comes from good heads. They will also give you larger valves than you have and the adequate racing springs needed for the higher lift cam install (even if cam is put in at a later date, and rockers) Once you have the heads, then everything else can follow reliably.

I know this is confusing, everyone has their own opinions- take mine and everyone elses with a grain of salt and make your own educated dicission. Good luck.
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Confucious once said, "Man who goes to bed with sex on mind, wakes up with solution in hand."

confucius101

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Confucious once said, "Man who goes to bed with sex on mind, wakes up with solution in hand."

LMAO!!!!!!!

sorry but after the day i've been having that just caught me so off guard thanks for the laugh
:hail: :hail:

ok back on topic
i'm going to order everything at the same time and just do it all at once (with luck)

as far as valve covers go
i can't find any fiero parts anywhere around......

anyone want to trade for a set of wall headers hell i'll even toss in a few buck's

all kiding aside i can't locate any used cover around here

confucius101

i was just looking at the supersix heads again
and i was wondering what you think of their
power pak option's would they work for me ?????

AGood2.8

Everything except the intake- The intake is for the 3.4 cars with the DIS ignition system (Distributorless Ignition System). Personally, I don't care for the single pattern cam grind they are offering. They are kind of stuck with that option of cam because it has the sensor for the DIS cars. We don't need the sensor but can use any cam with or without the sensor- doesn't matter. I think with the single pattern cam combined with 1.6 rockers will give too much lobe overlap in my opinion for what I'm doing with gears and such. I want my torque levels a little higher.

Everythings a guessing game with cams, gears, flow rates, etc.. until you actually put a combination together and dyno it. There are not alot of people that have tried and documented any combos for the 60*v6's so we are still in the dark- alot of trial and error- in others words- its your and my guess what is best.

confucius101

Thanks Again

confucius101

OK so what if anything should i or could i do with and or about the intake other then the new tb??

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Nothing really, short of some SERIOUS modifications.

Look at post, agood is working on making a whole upper intake design.

KED85

Here's the simple deal.
GO LOCATE A 3.4 BLOCK AND GO FORWARD.
Everything on the 3.4 block is plain superior to the 2.8/3.1 stuff.
No you cannot create a 3.4 from your block.
Next
Valves & such.
Obtain stock rocker ratio and find Fiero valve covers and have fun.
Use/buy V-8 ones for a late model engine & get them at a true discount, have money left over and a spare set (less cylinders, right?)

Injectors?
the used running 3.4 mill supplies them.
Money saved,
NEXT!

Ignition system
Find my tech distributor rebuild article-do that!
I use Accel coil/plug wire stuff works great!
I use Borg Warner Brass contact cap & rotor & Neihoff ICM. See below for location of my Accel coil (remote mount style).


WANT STREET LEGAL SMOG HEADERS?

WRITE
fgerle@pacesetterexhaust.com

I am trying to convinve Pacesetter Exhaust of true need of OUR DESIRE FOR A TRUE HIGH PERFORMANCE EXHAUST SYSTEM for our 3rd gen F bodys.
They are SMOG APPROVING the 3.4 ones for a 1993-1995 4th Gen RIGHT NOW.
The 3.4 4th Gen & 2.8/3.1 3rd gen subframes are "slightly different" necessatating a simple few bends.

The final smog legal header 3rd Gen product will be in the $350ish range, I'll bet. AND we'll need purchase a better flow "Y" pipe in larger tubing, too!

Why spend the funds you are?
To play catch up?
What ya should start with is
A 3.4 complete runnning used mill for about $210 to $900 or a new crate 3.4 mill for $1800 or less at any GM dealer.
Go to bigger cubic inches from beginning then try for more HP!
MUCH MORE FUN!
Read my tech swapping thread for all details.
It's simple yet detailed swap!
You already posess all the parts necessary for the swap to be done, except an full engine rebuild gasket kit for your ORIGINAL 3.1 engine.

Have fun

Write Fred Gerle at Pacesetter Exhaust, help our Smog Legal header cause!
I got my response from Mr. Gerle within 1/2 hour! See my Smog Legal Header Take #2 thread for details!

Enjoy the research, that's easier/cheaper than goofing on buying wrong parts
Here's my 3.4 powered Firebird
I made a carb version 3.4 powered for my 1985 S-10 Blazer, too.
I go for CA Smog testing in Firebird in a few more days, I use the factory air cleaner set up fore smog not this one I made, the "hokey air cleaner system"!

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Ked, can we really use v8 rockers on our v6 engines?? If so, tell me what years please!!

KED85

Someone posted the reply earlier.
Ya get "late model" V8 ones, they fit the V6 metric pedistal
Cost like $120-ish for 8 cylinders.
I saw/read it in the 1.52/1.6 recent thread.
Made TONS of sense!

confucius101

I just got the sad news that my tranny is starting to go
so where can i get a replacement from and how much????????????

man and i just spent 900 on some of the above mentioned parts

Dale

iTrader: (12)

auto, or manual??

I like car-part.com

I also have a few local companys, but they are out of the manual tranny I'm looking for

confucius101

Auto!

confucius101

so what do you think about one of these
http://www.700r4.com/trans/level1.htm

AGood2.8

Conf101, that a very good price- Only problem is - you need to call them direct and see if they will build those components into a V6 case and not the V8 (the V8 cases are different and will not work0 Their components are not the state of the art, but for the price they are very decent upgrades that will be stronger than a stock trans.

You want the shnitts- Give Jimmy a call at Darrell Youngs Racing Transmissions- He can built you a radical V6 700r4 w/ converter for?( I can't tell you what he charged me-he's a friend) But tell him that "Dean reffered him, and you want a V6 700r4 just like what you built for Dean's wife's Camaro"
Also keep in mind for that $866.00- you dont get a Torque Convertor.
http://www.racing-transmissions.com/

KED85

For all who do not know.
List the TEN best tranny rebuilders/people who beef up trannys names you know of.
Darryl Young is in the top four.
This is a great lead, if ya can afford the tab.
Bookmark it.

confucius101

ok now i just got an email from sumitt they had a problem with my order and have not processed anything yet so i just told them to cancle the whole thing...................

I feel like i a little fu(king kid who can't make up his mind between a new video game or a power ranger toy.............. LOL

anyway i just looked over the cost of everything i ordered and the other items i was going to today and now i thinking just swapping up to the 3.4 and just playing with that for a while

when i first got the car i said that i would not swap out untill something broke like the tranny

Dean thanks for the link i will give them a call later on today

confucius101

ok i just got off the phone and all i can say is WOW!!!!!
but what the hell it's only money right!

thansk again for all the help guy's

Dale

iTrader: (12)

So whats your decision?

confucius101

:sillylol:
Hi dale

ok i think i'm really going just stick with my original play and work with the 3.1..... the only kicker is everything that i'd like to do now even with the tranny is going to run me like over 6 grand and thats with out upgrading the breaks, the rear end, rim's, tires, shipping, $ labor charges

so if like one days your sitting in front to the tube and you hear a story of a guy being run the Fu(k over by his wife in his car i guess it would be safe to say that she found my credit card statement(s)

(she's been after me for an suv for 2 years now)

all kidding aside though WOW it's all coming out to be a heck more then i bargained for but what the hell



I'm thinking that i'll start off with the tranny and just see what happeneds form there

Dale

iTrader: (12)

Hey, I know the feeling.

I every time I talk of buying something "un-needed" for our rides, my woman just cringes.

Buy things that go together at one time. Like do spark all at one time. then air flow, etc. Don't just "bam" at once.

That way also, you may say, well I think I need to do breaks before exhaust, etc.