Doward

Turbo shaft/wheels balanced, came back today!

Doward

Here's how the intercooler sizes up... Welding it up next week...

bes217

It's about time we get an update. It seems like it has been months.

Project: 85 2.8 bird

yeah, I might be on the road before you

Doward

*laughes* YOU work 60-70 hrs a week, and find time for a project like this, on your daily driver! It's all good, things have been progressing along nicely.

Turbo will be in VERY soon.

AM91Camaro_RS

HURRY UP!! I wanna race you!

Ramtufftiger74

ME TOO!!! ME TOO!!! Heading to Jamestown to hit the 1/8th today if the rain stays away. Hoping to get around 10.2-3, that should be around a 16 flat right? Anyways...when I start spraying...should be interesting between us!

'84TA w/L69

hey doward and vortex...can we get another update?

Doward

Injectors are in, waiting on the last of the turbo bearings/seals to come in, turbo is balanced, still working on the downpipe/exhaust... we've got the 3" exhaust, and working on getting those intercoolers welded together....

'84TA w/L69

thanks for the update doward...sounds like she'll be runnin just in type for some summer cruisin/racin....hope you dont run into any gremlins...cant wait for the kit to become available to the public...keep up the good work...

vortex

mmm.... yup.. should be running by summer... got a dodge ram to run... it will be no problem to have it done by fall if someone can tell me how to squeeze 32 hours out of a 24 hour day.
we're hoping to make an impact.. thats just our angle...

'84TA w/L69

move to the moon...their days are quite a bit longer than ours... anyways...sounds good...just remember to keep updates comin...i hate not knowin whats goin on...

vortex

10-4.. new update.. i just ficed a beam and coke.. and a sandwich.. i will get around to finishing one of these..

I dont sleep anymore, so i might go finish up the specialty flange it takes a long time to cut thru 3/8 steel plate with a nail file.

Doward

No kidding... let's see Jesse James build 1/2 what he does, with a nail file, some bubble gum, and an air chisel!

Ramtufftiger74

Hey!!! I never got to use the bubble gum!!!!!

TechSmurf

Suddenly I feel overpriviledged or something.. too much access to machining equipment I guess.. and I'm the one on the nonexistant budget. Go figure.

Doward

Yeah, really... Vortex is a madman. As he collects proper tooling, he's making some really neat stuff!

vortex

less madman....more crazy person.

Ive always had that "i can make something" gene.. but like i said, using an air chisel as a cut off tool, and never the right size drill bit and having to "woller" it.. makes me realize that with even more tools, more can be done to serve the community.. Doward doesnt think it can be done, but i wanna look into adjustable upper control arms for your cars.. they do wonders on the SN95's. Also right now, im working with some 4x4 guys to modify their trucks for performance, and capability. so im kinda burning my candle with a blowtorch..

I really have something to do tomorrow.. and i need to get it done, come hell or high water, preferably hell, cuz i can fight demons.. the question is to stop the apocalypse or to cause it...

ok..gotta remember whut in the blue hell i was talking about...

anyway. people underestimate too much.. im really really hoping i can suprise y'all . ahh shiot.. i own 3d myself.
Those are my news views.

'84TA w/L69

uhh...vortex...your last post has got to be some of the most random rambling i've ever heard... ...and i've heard and spoken a lot of it myself...get some sleep man...and burning your candle with a blowtorch aint bad...long as you got a big candle...

eric17422001

Vortex, next time I pass through Ocala I got to look you up- and I'll bring some Beam'n Coke!

Eric

Doward

16G Rebuild kit arrived! Pics tonight!

vortex

LIAH!!... you're gonna use the Super Doward Bubbler and forget all about it..

I swear if it wasnt for the vodka,whiskey, merlot, etc, i dont think id make it thru this project.. but hopefully we'll make an impact..

Im just wondering...

(A) How many of you are still interested in the project

and

(B) Who would be interested in purchasing a kit, if we had numbers to back it up?

I know its a lot to factor on something you've only heard about, but im just looking for a ballpark area..

I just wanna know how far this has spread... we need a magazine article done on the finished product.. we need investors! Doward is tapped out, and ive dipped into my savings account to get this going.. keep the faith oh ye all who hath invested interest in a team who is 1/2 mustanger... so for those about to boost... we salute you...:hail:

eric17422001

I'm interested- PM me and let me know what you are looking for.

Eric

85f-bird

well, there is something about placing support in something that isn't proven that can be seen as foolish, but, my friends in St. Louis at Eve Customs have been doing it, and more recently are gaining a pretty nice clientelle (sp) so, i'd have to give you the props, just stay the course and run the race...the rest WILL come.

AM91Camaro_RS

i'm very interested in the project but as you and doward are well aware...the setup won't work with my current setup. but, NEVER GIVE UP!! we want to see this beast run with 12-15 psi boost! i still want to race it too! i'll probably get beat if i'm running against more than about 6 or 7 psi, but oh well.

MrDude_1

so are thoes 3/8 or 10mm?

Dale

iTrader: (12)

I'd like to see these adjustable upper control arms considering we dont have upper control arms

TechSmurf

Maybe he's fabbing up a bolt-on 4-link conversion to go with them...? I'm assuming he knows exactly what part he's talking about and can point it out very easily on a lift, but has no idea what to call it offhand.

And hey.. Doward.. it's been 39 hours.. where's those pics?

'84TA w/L69

i'd have to say im interested...and i'd buy a kit...c'mon guys...i've been following the whole way...dont let it fall apart now...

vortex

was that to me? cuz huh?

And yeah, i know you dont have UCA's.. i was thinking that if you had some either in combonation with, or doing away with the torque arm, you might get some better hook. I said adjustable cuz you can bolt it on, then tune your pinion angle to what you drive, auto-x, 1/4, etc..

I have a lot of ideas... not a whole lot to do with the 3rd gens cuz i haven't really had much time to comb over it, due to.. ya know, the air pump project. but yeah, we'll throw it up on a lift and finger out something good.. why not be innovative?

And it all fell apart already... VP has disbanded... D and i had a fallout cuz i think he smells and he wont admit it...

We're hoping that we can pleasantly suprise you.. dot dot dot!

Doward

Ok, the 2 day late pics!

Doward

One more...

Doward

again with... fuel tank in the way... You'll see what I keep telling ya, when we drop the tank to put the 'vette fuel pump in!

vortex

don't you dare say no to me.. Im the Vortex...

now go to your room..

besides.. i have a good...but evil.. plan...



ill 20X6 you good!

Doward

"..."

dot dot dot...

vortex

correctmeifimwrongbutareYOUASKINGFORACHALLANGE!???

'84TA w/L69

i think you guys have lost it.....:lala: :lala:

AM91Camaro_RS

to lose it means that at some point you had it! lol....j/k. John and Adam....get that thing runnig on boost!

TechSmurf

Vortex.. realistically, an aftermarket adjustable torque arm makes far more sense than trying to figure out how to make ours 4-link... and those are already available from Random Tech and others.

Gumby

I think the turbo should be a low buck kit where they find their own turbo and pricey parts at the junk yard. Just not gonna find many people willing to drop $3000.

Id make a $500-$700 kit where you find your own turbo,inter cooler n other real pricey parts. The kit would be usable with or without certain parts, for the low buck to rich kid budget.


Finding a deal on a turbo n some of the other parts is easy. What people are gonna pay you for is how to hook it up with some easy 1-2-3 instructions. Make it so I do not have to think about it or figure anything out. I find a turbo, buy your kit an d spend a weekend installing it.

Just there are plenty of $2-$3000 kits out there that could be adapted. Id go for a cheaper broader market.

The few bike parts I make, I only make them if I can sell them for $20-$30. There are plenty of companies selling $50-$60 parts similar parts. But I'm a cheap bastard and so is most of the US. ANd why I have unlimited demand. When the parts are affordable, everyone will buy.

We still need a $150 header project. Anyone who get out some good plain steel headers for $150 will sell 30,000 sets. Price them at $300+ and maybe 1000 people will buy over 3-5 years.

Doward

Gumby, you insult me! Of course we're going to cater to everyone - DIY and BNG (Do it yourself & bolt-n-go)

The first thing is that we have to prove that turbocharging our V6's is possible, practical, and most importantly - dependable.

First will be a full kit. Bolt-n-go. Once we start building a reputable reputation, we're going to market the chip by itself, for those of you (like Techsmurf) who have the fabrication skills, but maybe not the engine management know how, of turbo'ing your own car. I've also already considered marketing the entire kit minus the turbo itself, and perhaps without the intercooler, as well....

Stay tuned.

KED85

IF currnet cars could buy teh older style CHEAP HEADERS, that would be great.
Current new or modern cars demand quality & ya gotta pay for it & it ain't a bad thing cause ya got the option available, soon.
Remember someone once made $150 headers & that got real far.
Now we have a manufacturer helping our cause (making a 60* mill breathe on the legal side of the street), they did the certifying and now complaints.
Not everything can be bought for cheap & free anymore.
No WALMART AIN'T GONNA SELL THE PACE SETTER STREET LEGAL HEADERS!
How fast ya wanna go? How much money ya got!
Gumby you seek a fair financial transaction for your product, correct?

TechSmurf

Excuse me? *cough* I'd like that slug of my name sticken from that record. I have no shortcomings on engine management know-how, I have qualms with paying for software for an inferior engine management system I'd rather not deal with in the first place, hence would rather start scrounging parts and writing guides for swapping through multiple generations of hardware (302 -> 749) and use the free software available for sy/ty programming. In other words, I'm a broke SOB who has to make every penny count on this

Doward

Thought that'd get a rise outta ya!! Didn't mean anything by it. Just keeping you on your toes.

And just going up to a newer gen of software doesn't mean you'll necessarily be doing better... the resolution of the '749 could use some work. Besides that, I feel a MAF based system will be much easier to modify in the long run... no VE tables to contend with!

XSVortex

iTrader: (1)

How street legal are these kits gonna be? Im gonna need to get mine past california smog testing...

85f-bird

street legal certificaiton will cost an arm and a leg, and i'd have to tell ya that ur probalby not gonna see them go through the testing. Simply paying for the compliance prior to having a true commitment, would essentially cancel out any ability to make profit off the design, research, and materials.

Gumby

[I can care less about street legal.]

using most of the stock system / MAF is a good idea. a simple chip upgrade is good too.

I think what most people need is for someone else to think it through. I'm old school and hate these new cars really. I could do a better job with a handful of jet and a screw driver but computer FI is better. But I just do not find it worthy of my brain power to figure it all out.

KED85

YET the way the EPA was talking today, ALOT more vehicles will be going thru "smog hoops", ALL over the country.
YET I agree about computers & such.
I do enjoy the challenge of my 1985 Blazer set up. Not a computer is sight!
I tweeked the distributor by real loose springs during the rebuild. Polished the "weights", too (more slippery).
The carb is fine. Can't "re-jet" it for smog purpose. But a primo rebuild & new throttle shaft bushing really tune up the carb!
Don't hate the smog stuff.
It's easy to embrace it and intergrate it into current engine turbo managment system, I'll bet.
Hard part is obvioulsy the "cost" of certification.
Sounds like the Turbo won't be singing "California Here I come!"
Hope the turbo pieces work together well & soon!
Never thought of balancing a turbo. I assumed it "spun " so fast & not needed, but, learned something. Seems so "small" to balance, tho..... using tire as a comparison

FruityOne

Well considering the that the turbine will spin in excess of 30,000rpm in most applications I'd say it doesn't have to be very far out balance before catastrophic failure.

TechSmurf

spinning at 100,000 rpm, the slightest misbalance could make it chew its bearing in seconds... anything more than the slightest misbalance, and it will have chewed its bearing before ever reaching 100,000 rpm... spinning fast is not a way to get around balance issues. Quite the opposite. The faster it spins, the more critical the balance is.

*EDIT* as FruityOne points out, this will result in critical failure. as the bearing chews, shaft play increases exponentially, until either the turbo seizes or a vane hits its housing and chips/shatters, causing immediate catastrauphic failure. Think "non-rebuildable core"... or in extreme circumstances, "what kinda crap just tried to go through my engine"