92camarorv6

Ok here what i would like to do give my your times and power #s and i post them

boost/nos cars hp/tq and times
project89 270/370 rwhp/tq < is older #s 12.37@ 112
92camarorv6 170/190 14.00(time to go turbo any of u make a kit)

the n/a cars no power adders
AM91camaro_rs 14.97@89.95!(need hp/tq he cryed so i put him up here lol )

and the crazy hybrid
bl85c220hp and 215ft/lbs 3.4/3400 hybrid (with out suffocating with a crappy 2.8 cam)
Pillsbry10 3.1 = 133hp and 178 tq 3.4 = 174hp and 210 tq (will have to pick one and got any track times)

project89

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270/370 rwhp/tq < these numbers are old and not acurate
12.37@ 112

RubberDucky

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How much power is that 6 making now? I wonder what I could get out of mine with a M90.

Pillsbry10

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3.1 = 133hp and 178 tq
3.4 = 174hp and 210 tq

project89

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should be about 325hp and 450 tq at the tires but anyones quess is as good as mine one of these days ill redyno but for now im concentrating on getting my 3.0L build done

also dont forget pilsbury's numbers are rwhp.tq n/a

RubberDucky

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What 3.0L are you using? Ditched the 3.1?
I have no idea what I'm making in my 2.8. Somewhere around 180 I assume, it's got a lot in it.

bl85c

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About 180hp 210ft/lbs out of a 3.4/3400 hybrid suffocating with a crappy 2.8 cam jammed in it. Should gain another 40hp with the correct cam and another 30hp with a 3500 plenum and 65mm throttle. And that's with a tame 9.07:1 compression. A more dedicated n/a motor using 3500 heads could approach 350hp.

Project 3.4 Camaro

Haven't dynoed it yet, but I should have about the same 3.4 N/A #s as pilsbry's "3.4 = 174hp and 210 tq" which is rwp, at the crank thats about 200 hp and 240 tq, maybe a little more since his clutch was slipping badly.

Killert

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Got a track time slip?

Project 3.4 Camaro

a 4th gen mustang gt with a 4.6 sohc v8 making 260 hp and 300 tq runs a 14.2, unless that was with a 100 shot of nitrous I don't see that happening....
I don't doubt that a 3.1 could make that much power one bit, but it wouldn't run a 14.0 in a quarter mile.

project89

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3.4 block + 2.8 crank = 3.0L
gives u a nice larger bore and a short stroke for high rpms

motor is deffinatly going to be weak down low, but its main purpose will be drag racing so its not that important since this motor will spend the majority of its time near redline

Project 3.4 Camaro

Wouldn't that make it a 3.1?

project89

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no 3.1 would have a longer stroke crank with a smaller bore

2.8/3.1 share the same bore size butt diff cranks
3.4 uses same crank as the 3.1 but has a larger bore

Project 3.4 Camaro

Yeah I know but by that logic it should be a 3.1....

RubberDucky

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Ah, I see. 3.4 power, but 2.8 crank strength?

bl85c

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Uber rpm capability . When I get my 3500 crank in mine it will be a 3.0. Damn project89, you beat me to it! What cr did you decide on?

project89

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and yes i beat u to it by a while shortblock has been asssembled for some time now
j.e did my pistons they have a 16cc dome .005 in the hole with .045 quench
11.03-1 cr
pistons were 137 bucks each

may have the block decked to bring the pistons to 0 deck and bump cr up just a lil

and yes 11.03-1 is high but this is built for runnin on e85

bl85c

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A bunch of people have talked about building one but as far as I know noone has. You may be the first. Which really sucks because (I'm guessing) it's iron headed.

I was looking at e85 for my next project. Super high rpm, super high compression, super light s10 using the junk I have left over after nuking the 2.8. Pretty much just going to slap 3400 heads on a stock 2.8 long block for 14:1 cr and zing it out as high as I can with a flat tappet regrind. Budget is $300 lol.

AM91Camaro_RS

what he said! 14.0?? I put a ton of work into my 3.1 (some stuff I haven't seen anyone else do) and finally was able to get a 14.97@89.95!!

project89

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yes its iron headed but they are far from stock including the chambers, lots of welding work and machine work went into these heads the only thing that sucks is i couldnt reduce the chamber volume i had to increase it to get the chamber shape i was after , thats why i had to go with 16cc domes on the pistons

only thing that suclks about e85 is u need to flow so much fuel stock fuel lines become a rstriction around 300-350 hp hell my tiwin walboros are only good to about 600 hp on e85 on gas u could get dam near 1000hp worth of fuel flow out of the pair

92camarorv6

its all in the tune ms and my rer end and tranny i hve alot of mpney in my sp to

Killert

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We all have money into our cars, but most of us can prove our times. Do you have a time slip from the track or a dyno slip? Or are you just guessing?

AM91Camaro_RS

you got more than a zexel torsion posi, 4.10 or 3.73 gears (I've had both), fully built 700r4 with all the bells and whistles, 2200-2400 stall convertor? Oh yeah, that doesn't touch the work that was done to the motor. I'd go so far as to say there's not another one of these motors on the street built like mine was. (I say "was" because its all in pieces in the garage, now.
Seems like there was somebody on here a while back who was sprayin and tryin to claim that's naturally aspirated... wasn't you, was it?
And please, type words, I don't enjoy reading when I have to guess what words are supposed to be. what's "sp"?

project89

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am91 had/has the baddest all motor build ive seen, even my original high compression large cam 2.8 didnt come close to his, so i doubt ur into the 14's much less 14.0 unless ur car only wieghs about 2,500 pounds

project89

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btw u should add mars to the hybrid/turbo section 8.03 @ 85mph in the 1/8th i think it was id have to watch the video again its posted in his build thread

92camarorv6

ok i see what the hate is about yes i am runing spray put thats out og the hole and only out of the hole looking or that v6 wheely

project89

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yeah big diff between n/a and spraying nitrous

92camarorv6

yep ill fix it but its 1 am time for bed

Killert

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What?

project89

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in other words he says he sprays the nitrous on launch, he is trying to get the car to do a wheelie. or atleast thats what i got from that

AM91Camaro_RS

I don't see me on the list, still. hp and tq? enough to run 14.97 with full interior and street tires.

bl85c

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LOL I like how he added the "suffocating with a crappy 2.8 cam" part to mine. I have the roller cam back in now and my datalogging stuff is showing me 219hp and 214ft/lbs with a 3100 plenum. No track time to verify this though.

I wouldn't say mine should be on the the 'baddest of the bad' list though. Wait till I get twin t3/t4's on it.

overide

I think I remember reading on the fiero forums that redraif had a 3.4 w/ rwTQ at around 260 after the trueleo, but had crap for rw HP... like 143hp... that car was N/A right? Think it barely broke into the 16's

LT1guy

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Its been so long that I can't remember (I did most of the mechanical work on that car) the exact hp/torque figures, but I'm pretty sure the HP was higher than that. It was still on a stock tune, though, and I'm sure it could have picked up a lot more. The car wasn't run through the 1/4 with the Trueleo or any of the other later mods, and the check engine light was on when it made that 16 sec run...that was at least a year previous. It felt much stronger last time I was in it, about like a stock 305 TPI car.

92camarorv6

ok well post ur hp/tq an times and i will put them up

overide

Didn't the car go down mechanically due to a cracked head or something? I remember mumblings about more aggressive head porting and such. I tried to find the cardomain site, but its gone...

AM91Camaro_RS

I'm not crying...just havin a little fun. I don't know the hp and tq numbers.

92camarorv6

im just playing man haha give me a guess looking for more post

AM91Camaro_RS

calcs are sayin it must be about 200 hp. I always figured about 230 or so. dunno for sure, though.

bl85c

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Now update mine!

220hp and 215ft/lbs

Project 3.4 Camaro

RW I hope?

92camarorv6

3rd gen rs u got any thing

Pillsbry10

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i posted my numbers at the top and they arent guesses

bl85c

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No, flywheel at 5800ft.

DeathStarr89

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I don't think i'll make it to the track this year but assuming everything goes as currently planned i might throw mine on the dyno..

92camarorv6

Purple82TA its good to see u posting agin and did i miss any one

Pillsbry10

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3.1(full bolt ons) = 133hp and 178 tq calculated 17.48 1/4 mile
3.4(Slipping Clutch) = 174hp and 210 tq calculated 16.02 1/4 mile

overide

To be more meaningful, I think you should add if the cars are 3.1, 3.4 or 2.8...

DeathStarr89

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or 3.5

LT1guy

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Yeah, a cracked head prompted the last major re-do; I had everything out. The whole drivetrain, wiring, plumbing...all of it. Last I saw the car, it basically just lacked re-plumbing and finishing up the wiring to get it going again. The engine compartment re-paint that I did wasn't up to her standards, though (it was done in my dad's garage)...I think the clear was bad...so the whole thing just stopped, until it could be repainted by someone with a booth. I don't think that ever happened. I haven't seen her, or the car, in about 3 years. Its a shame, too...LOTS of work was done that would have taken the car to a new level.