FerrMaro

Looks good How does it compare to First?

91L98Z28

definitely interested, but it will need E.O. numbers before I'd buy.

neagan

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I'll absolutely purchase one. Heck, I paid a WHOLE Lot More to Mega-Port my factory TPI plenum, siamese mega port SLP runners & the Edelbrock base.

I would think (hope) that it will support a 383 system.... Nitro-Nicky

Street Lethal

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Can we at least designate an entirely new nickname though? Everytime I hear the words "Turtle Ram", I immediately think of Dana Carvey in Master of Disguise. Guess we'll all be members of the Turtle Club now huh, Click Here LOL....

AC

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How bout Tortoise ram... I haven't heard of any other "nick" out there except for Turtle ram.

avro206

how about "kicks *** over the stock intake"

I like the looks of it---form follows function.

The_Phoenix

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Damn that thing looks bad *** IMO! Will it outflow a TPis Mini-ram? Hmmmm I think it should be named the "teddy bear" intake...kinda looks like one also dontt u think! LMFAO! J/K

anesthes

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Not in 50 million years.

Looks to me like someone at BBK said "Hey, Johns dead now. Lets take the super ram, change the upper, and sell it as a new intake"

Though, it does look light years better than the pizza box, and I'd love to get my hands on one to play with.

-- Joe

ezliving4ume

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has anyone even seen this thing?

Steve Mack

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Count me in

ricardobready

Count me in, if I can fit it under the doghouse of my Astro Van!

jim91gta

It looks great!
If it can outperform stock and be streetable I am in!

400 complete manifold/runner/plenum - I am in!

psy4s

I see this started four years ago, Is there any chance it will really be made?
At the moment the HSR is the best bang for the buck, It is made by Wiend (Holley) which is the same company as BBK, so would they make something that compete against their own product? It does look like it would have the hood clearance problem taken care of.

TheScaryOne

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All the skeptics. If you've read any of the other threads, it's real. Last I heard BBK is testing it on a built engine to see how it works with a non-stock engine.

I think it looks like a frog.

And for clearance: It's designed to fit under a C4 vette hood. So clearance shouldn't be an issue with most things. I can't wait until they come out. If the price point is right and it re-uses stock components, this will be amazing.

TTOP350

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It doesnt look like it would have enough plenum to support a big cube motor.
Maybe I'm wrong. would like to play with one.

jim91gta

Any update?
I need to change intake gaskets and I don't want to put stock back on.

psy4s

I went to the new BBK web site and with the picture ask if there was any actual news on this intake. I gave then the link to this blog. I want to know if this is real or if it is a dream that once was. If you track the linage if these post links they start in 2004, but no rear solid fact. I would not plan on anything till I see one of these on a car for real. I have yet to see anything with one of these on a car. It is starting to look like a designers pipe dream to me. I live in Indianapolis. In the late 80's, GM brought a Third Gen Big Block SS Camaro to the track. It was a one of that I would have loved to see produced. I would love to have that car today even with gas at $3.50 per gallon, just because it was a one of a kind. I still have the news paper. It was on the front page here. Remember just because it was made once doesn't make it REAL!

psy4s

Newest update from
Subject:RE: Small Block Chevy Fuel Injection IntakeDate:3/24/2008 1:00:09 PM Eastern Daylight TimeFrom:tech@bbkperformance.com


We are still working on that.

The castings have been ordered and tooling is being built to run them on the CNC machines.

92droptopws6

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Guys this intake will definately fit the vette,you should have O-fittment issues on anything else....
As far as flow capabilites the superram was installed on a Lingenfelter 420" motor with very nice heads and a healthy cam,what would make you think this would not be capable of the same.If an Lt1 production intake with portwork can run solidly into the 9s normally aspirated and 8s on some nitrous i would not question the capabilities of an intake being designed by a company that has been around for a long time supplying nicly crafted parts that have put many in the winner circle.
Sadly that it is taking a long time to get this out on the streets and under our hoods but hey it's coming........R&D work is NOT cheep or fast!

Thank you BBK for giving this a shot i am sure it will not be a let down!

tpi user

imo a properly ported hsr will out flow this rehash af a superam even if you can port it. the plenum area right over the top of the runner tubes isnt high enough ,theres not onough plenum area over the runners to get good flow down thru the runners,besides the base plate doesnt look like anything special either.

Imadude_134

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Try running a HSR in CA and see what happens

Whether or not the HSR is the better setup, most of the draw for this is 1) the cheap price and 2) the CA smog legal. What can we use in CA? LTR... thats about it... and for poor college students like me, 1200 for a HSR is a little pricey (even if I could use it in CA)

tpi user

does the turtle intake come with egr? oh i should rephrase that,if the turtle thing ever comes out will it have egr, i know thats a problem with the smog police in cali. as far as price where did you come up with 1200 bucks for a holley stealth ram at jegs they are piced at $315 for the intake and like $230 for the fuel rail assembly. and there is not a definate set price for the bbk yet? im not sure. but the hsr maybe cheaper after all.

Imadude_134

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Sorry, I was looking at something like this http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku That is why I was putting it out of price range... Didn't know you could peice it together... As for CA smog rules, if it retains EGR and get the CARB OE#, then it is perfectly legal to use. And price wise, if you notice most of the people who have replied all say something to the effect of "as long as it stays around the 400 price range..." so the price is the big concern. Yes, HSR maybe turn out to be cheaper and better flowing, but if BBK can get that OE# for us in CA, that would just about seal the deal for most of us (I know it would for me)

Orr89RocZ

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yeah, HSR is only 600-650 with fuel lines ready to bolt in

Anyway, cali does suck for emissions but all is NOT lost. LTR TPI setups are putting down some numbers IF you put the work into making them flow. This turtle ram intake does look very promising. BETTER than teh superam as far as price goes, the superam was like 1200 or something like that a few years back. Miniram is same price its ridiculous!! Used superams go for 700 now or so. STill pricey

BUT if you want performance you gotta pay to play. IF the intake costs 700, thenyou spend it if you want power/rpm range. A fully modded TPi will cost upwards of 600-700 before any porting/rewelding the ports to get it to flow something worthy. Lots of work for TPI

92droptopws6

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i have used the miniram,superram,slp runners,modded plenums,edelbrock base manifolds and the hsr in my 18 yrs of exp. i am certain bbk has taken every set up into consideration when constructing their version,i am sure they based it off the superram since it has egr and flows very nicely!
before you dis- the bbk version you must first understand what flow and distribution means! look closely it resembles the superram and the Ls1 style intake. weather or not you allow them the chance to unvail there version others will i feel many will be suprised by the out come $$$$$ vs. performance and keeping the smog police happy!

bring it on bbk! when do you want payment?

Imadude_134

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I agree

Orr89RocZ

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i just got a feeling you guys will be waiting for quite some time

Steve Mack

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They only showed the TPI base for a moment in the link to BBK.But if you look real close you can see that they made it like the welded and ported base that is making good horsepower and flow numbers on this site .You can see the port for the EGR.So its going to be smog legal.SOMETHING the Holley Stealth ram is not.Also when I went to have my vette dynoed I asked about the Stealth Ram and they told me they would not use it because it had air distribution problems and severe fuel reversion into the plenum.

Burnout91

[.Also when I went to have my vette dynoed I asked about the Stealth Ram and they told me they would not use it because it had air distribution problems and severe fuel reversion into the plenum.[/quote]

Orr89RocZ...any input? Does your plenum smell like gas?

Bill

rv1890

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anybody know if this would this include the plenum, runners, and the base plate intake as shown in the pic?? If the price is under 500 then count me in too.

Imadude_134

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That would actually be perfect for me... gives me more time to save

Orr89RocZ

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As far as air distribution problems, yes the HSR has alittle one, but MOST intakes do. LT1/Miniram also has a air problem and i'm willing to bet TPI does too. the back cylinders always get more air than the front since air comes in over the front runners and settles in the back of the plenum

As far as Fuel reversion goes, i dont believe that is true. My plenum doesnt really smell like gas at all. If it did get fuel into the plenum i think the car wouldnt run right and it be noticeable. But i never had any problems even on stock TPI tune

IT does have alittle problem with sucking oil in thru the pcv valve port. I have my pcv valve running into the base of the plenum underneath where there is 1 vacuum port. that aint a big deal tho.

92droptopws6

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ALL production intake manifolds have some sort of problem with distribution but they are rather mild and virtually useless to worry about with the kind of power levels we have. When you have those issues you call fabricators like WILSON and they build you an intake that starts at 2000.00.
The funny part is soo many people ask,"well what does it flow?" and do not even understand what the numbers mean nor do they ask ,"what rpm do these numbers occur at?" I guess it would also be useless for people to realize the key words"VOLUMETRIC EFFICIENTCY AND VELOCITY"

Lt1 intakes do not have a bad flow rate at all look at this set up,Low 10s on the motor


very low 9s running very rich(safe) on the bottle
http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/4b...c7016f0c46.htm

Orr89RocZ

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never said lt1's dont flow, they just have distribution problems

92droptopws6

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i understand your statement, what i meant was it does not keep a large CID Lt1 from running 10s on the motor safely.......there are guys with similar set ups that have gone with the Edelbrock super victor etc. still don't run like this car with or without a 6spd.

Orr89RocZ

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yeah thats those short runners allowing high rpms. This bbk intake will not have those runner profiles and should act just like a superram rpm range wise, but if it flows more than a superram (which is like 240-250cfm or something like that?) then it will make more power for those rpm ranges.

92droptopws6

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i feel it will be very close to those numbers.
i just want to hurry up and get one, my s10 needs to have something new!

psy4s

Since LT1 intakes.com has gone DOA and mine never came home I bought a HSR.
TPIS just wanted too much money for their Mini Ram, for the numbers it did on paper for mostly street operations.
This Turtle Ram Manifold does show great potential, and if you look at the Plenum, instead of just having an open fast moving gap where the fast moving air will pass over the front cylinders, they look to have dedicated almost articulated joints to guide the air to them.
We will not know until it is released, but notice the spherical runner areas on one and two.
What do you think?
Even so, The old style TPI was designed for the 5.0 engine, and I am not so sure this will take care of large displacement engines like my 383 (6.3) . I will be waiting to see.

92droptopws6

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Considering the corvette had a 350 in '85 i would hardly say the TPI was designed for the 305 engine!
The TPI was an awesome approach to allow the consumer to feel the TQ these motors put out,awesome design none-the -less......

Stroker motors were really designed for TQ, lower RPM to make killer bottom end power! I really feel this intake will be fine on larger CI motors and remain SMOG FRIENDLY!

avro206

just because TPI was put on a 350 does not mean it was designed for it.

GM was serioulsy considering dropping the 350 in the early 80s--so when the engineers were doing the TPI--they were told make it for the 305

psy4s

I am sorry to say it is true,
The TPI was designes in 83-84 and released in 85 on the 5.0 for the 5.0 during the time when GM had already planned the end of the 5.7 in passanger cars. It is in every book about TPI you will find. That is why There is such a huge upper end restriction.

92droptopws6

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i should have been more specific,my apologies...
So are you saying it was a huge mistake for gm to put the TPI on a 5.7 since it was initially designed for a 5.0? I seiously do not think so!
Could they have made a larger style for the 5.7,yea possibly then you will have to figure in more tooling costs....Hello aftermarket!
Many people feel that their engine needs some HUGE parts,like the mid 70's more guys had tunnel rams and that world renound 3/4 race cam on 14second cars than any other modifacation!
we ran 13.9s in '92 with a STOCK 5.7 Z on BFG comp TAs
SLP runners fully ported
ported plenum
58mm tb
cut out air boxes,K&Ns
ASP pulley kit
SLP 1-3/4 and cat back
SLP 2400 stall
13.37 with these mods!
TFS wedge heads 1.5s
SLP cam 495/510 112
SLP T-ram
24lb inj.
perf.resources chip
ran 12.7 on radials still

psy4s

I never said it was a bad design, It is optimum for a 5.0 liter. You must understand this is not an insult to the system it is a statement of fact. It is a great system. As it is, without modification, It is designed for a 5.0 small block. That was what it was designed for. In order for it to work for anything else you need to change the system. For a 5.7 you need to upgrade the injectors at least, if you want more than a street car you must find a way to get more air through the long runners. These Runners are Tuned for Torque and they will make Huge torque from a 350, but if you put them on a 383, you would want to have it in a truck, or in a vehicle with a good overdrive, because a good 1 to 1 high gear 4 speed is not going to go very fast down the race track with an engine that has a 4500 red line. This is not an insult of an angry remark to you it is just a fact. Not with a little change of the Runners, the Base manifold, and the Upper Plenum, you can make it breath enough to move the tune up higher to where the red line is higher and the engine is more apt for racing. Of course, then it isn't the same system then is it?
That is all I have to say about this subject, And What does this have to do with the Turtle Ram any way?

85irocz355tpi

I'm kinda partial to the look of the stock tpi but until I can afford a turbo set up to offset the high rpm air delivery problems i would go with the new bbk unit. since the lower intake, runners, plenum, and throttle body for the tpi will run you around 1200 before machine work. 400 bux sounds nice. I'm in but I won't get rid of my tpi. It will stay for the turbo.

avro206

huge? no but not a great move. Sure the aftermarket offers parts to open up the TPI for a 350+ CID--my car is proof of that.

However thats not what we were talking about. Stock oin a 350 the TPI chokes it big time.

Look at the HP in 87--the 305 5 speed was 215 and the 350 TPI auto was 220--nuff said!

Orr89RocZ

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i think it was... lol Look where they took the LT1 motors...short runner intake for the win! TPI doesnt make hp and onlyway it makes good power is if you cut the runners open to act like short runner intakes

85irocz355tpi

I dissagree. You're looking at the first year numbers for the 350. It went up to 245HP. They make good power on 305's and 350's just not high rpms. I have a stock tpi setup with the exception of the throttle body coolant bypass and a chip from the original 305 on my 355 and it makes around 300HP with out even tearing into it. No port work nothing. It even pulls to 5500rpms good. Kind of drops off after that but it is a good street motor. I have more planned for the future but it keeps most of the mustangs off my tail around here.

avro206

you'll always disagree Heres a quick comparison for the 305 TPI and 350 TPI--at there best--just for you.

so 245hp 350= 42.9hp/L

and a 230hp 305 = 46hp/L

So if everything was equal and the system was designed for the outset for the 350....

then it should have made 262HP. My math just proved it.
(don't forget the 305 had smaller valves too)

As for more power down low---your talking about torque! Which everyone knows is great on a 350 and no comparsion to a 305--hey its 45 CID smaller

Orr89RocZ

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i dont wanna get off topic but TPI just leaves ALOT to be desired for 350+ inch motors. YOu can heads/cam a 350 and throw stock TPI on it and choke off 50-100hp easily depending on the setup.

thats why the aftermarket makes superram, miniram, stealth ram, and this new BBK. They all have larger runners but most importantly they are shorter runners for better breathing above 4000 rpms.

LTR TPI is great for those who dont mind a low performance street motor and dont see over 4500-5000 rpms. Thats not me... I'm trying to go fast so thats why TPI doesnt live on my motor anymore

This BBK shorter runner setup should be superior to aftermarket TPI if the flow numbers are there to match the big tube TPI stuff. given same flow numbers, the shorter runner design will allow a 350+inch motor to breath higher than 4500rpms, and will make more power everywhere except at peak torque rpm. TPI may make more peak torque but everywhere else, it will drop off while the shorter runner setup will remain flat

92droptopws6

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no argument here! you really have to think back to the mid 80's to understand emission standards were changing AGAIN!!!!personally the TPI was very advanced back then especially compared to the cross-fire and carb!

BUT BACK ON TOPIC!
THE BBK LEGAL EAGLE
this manifold will work very well on quite a few combos,CI etc.
just give it a chance! i sure do not see any other companies helping out with an emissions legal, up to date intake system for a 23 year old design........