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Old Dec 16, 2011 | 11:22 PM
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First intake question

Is the First intake worth putting on a stock l98 and if so what type of gains can expexct thanks guys looking into this system just want to get some info before i put down 1200 or so dollars
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 03:12 AM
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Re: First intake question

Everything else stock I would say no. no sense bringing all that air in if you can't get it out.
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 08:55 PM
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Re: First intake question

ok thanks for the response
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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Re: First intake question

You might gain around 15-20 hp though a full exhaust would probably help more, don't forget to do something with the intake track to cause the firebird ones are crap.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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Re: First intake question

Originally Posted by 89 350
Is the First intake worth putting on a stock l98 and if so what type of gains can expexct thanks guys looking into this system just want to get some info before i put down 1200 or so dollars
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/post...43-post41.html

The link above is from another FIRST post that a member entered HP point from an old article from May 1989 Car Craft.

The baseline was a totally stock TPI unit with a stock chip set at 6 degrees

The AS&M set up is a hand ported stock base with their AS&M runners and ported plenum using a stock chip at 6 degrees

SLP brought a prototype intake called the ShortRam that never made it to production. It looks VERY much like the Holley StealthRam and they brought a custom chip to use for testing.

TPiS used the "Big Mouth" intake, their Semi-Siamesed runners, an air foil, and a modified MAF sensor, stock chip,,, set at 6 degrees.

Air Sensors, FIRST used it's single mono blade throttle body,,, which should flow around 800 cfm,, it's own fueling electronics, and 4" MAF sensor with a mechanical advanced distributor set at 6 degrees.

This was basically a stock L98 with the old Edelbrock 1.5" / 1.625" headers running through an F-body dual cat exhaust system. I doubt very seriously any of the systems were nuts on tuned but I doubt they were way off either. The FIRST unit might have had an advantage of user tuning,,,, that might be good,,, it might be bad. It had an advantage with a larger MAF sensor and throttle body than the rest,,, but it's not like this stock engine actually needed it. So,, I think the results would have been within a couple HP using the stock TPI electronics and ported MAF.

So, it I’d guess swapping the stock intake to the FIRST using the same electronics on a stock engine, assuming it already has a decent exhaust system to begin with would yield about 20 HP in the cell and about 16RWHP with an automatic.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Re: First intake question

great thanks don't really think that is the way to go them
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:34 PM
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Re: First intake question

well i switched to a modded tpi to a first injection tpi setup and i felt a big difference in mid range and upper rpms but my engine is far from stock...

id say for a stock engine its not worth the swap considering you need to make up your own fuel lines and make some of your factory wires abit longer...
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