Who's car is this?
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Car: 1989 IROC-Z
Engine: 383 stroker
Transmission: 700R4 3500 stall, TransGo shift kit
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 4.11:1
I love the interior, looks awesome. If the headlights were clear instead of kinda fogged, I think they'd look much better.
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Somethings up with those inner fenderwells! Look at not just how large they are, but the positioning of the strut plate mounts. They're much further inward. I'm wondering if those parts were taken from a 4G donor car as well. Heck everything else is! Great looking interior, actually great looking entire car. Thats amazing.
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From: Quakertown, PA
Car: 1992 Camaro Z28 Convertible Z03
Engine: 383 SuperRam
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
OMG.... I need more 4th gen mods!!
That thing is sweet. I want it so I can have a 3/4 Gen Camaro and Firebird.
That thing is sweet. I want it so I can have a 3/4 Gen Camaro and Firebird.
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From: Quakertown, PA
Car: 1992 Camaro Z28 Convertible Z03
Engine: 383 SuperRam
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
ya know what?
Look how perfect and complete that is, especially in the detailed areas like the engine bay and interior, Im wondering if its the oposite of what we are thinking, Maybe it IS a 4th with somehow a 3rd gen body adapted onto it.
Look how perfect and complete that is, especially in the detailed areas like the engine bay and interior, Im wondering if its the oposite of what we are thinking, Maybe it IS a 4th with somehow a 3rd gen body adapted onto it.
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Car: 91 camaro
Engine: 383
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Im wondering if its the oposite of what we are thinking, Maybe it IS a 4th with somehow a 3rd gen body adapted onto it
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From: El Paso, Texas
Car: 1987 IROC Z
Engine: 350 TPI L98 block
Transmission: 700R4
I would agree, Their is too much within this vehicle that is 4th gen for it to be a thirdgen. However more power to them eitherway. Thats an awesome vehicle.
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From: Readsboro, VT
Car: 85 IROC-Z / 88 GTA
Engine: 403 LSx (Pending) / 355 Tuned Port
Transmission: T56 Magnum (Pending) / T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 / ?
What impresses the hell out of me is that it could pass for factory original if it wasn't for the tacky flames and the goofy headlights. The interior, engine bay fabrication, even the air box, all look 100% factory stock. VERY impressive.
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From: Plano, TX
Car: 1992 RS
Engine: 406 Stealth Ram
Transmission: 700R4
Man, we gotta find out who that car belongs to. That guy holds a LOT of info that I am sure would be very helpful to all of us. Damn that guy for not being a member of thirdgen.org!!
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From: LONDON, KY
Car: Camaro
Engine: Carbed L98
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: 3.73
They may have grafted in a 4th gen inner structure, and re used the radiator support. It would work, as long as the top rails for the fenders matched up and the mounts for the nose.
This would also change the angle of the shocks.
This would also change the angle of the shocks.
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Car: 1984 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 2.5L Iron Duke 4 cylinder
Transmission: 5 speed manual
Pretty Sweet!
Looks like he took the fender wells and firewall from a 4thgen and grafted them into the 3rdgen. That would be much easier than doing the whole 3rdgen body on a 4th.
Nice work getting the interior on the car too. Excellent craftsmanship. I like the headlights and paint too.
Looks like he took the fender wells and firewall from a 4thgen and grafted them into the 3rdgen. That would be much easier than doing the whole 3rdgen body on a 4th.
Nice work getting the interior on the car too. Excellent craftsmanship. I like the headlights and paint too.
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From: pefferlaw ontario
Car: 1987 iroc-z custom
Engine: 355 tuned port
Transmission: 5spd baby, only way to go
Axle/Gears: 3.45
no its definately a 3rd gen..he just had to of done a ground up resto and put all the 4th gen parts on he could!!
definately a show winner!!
iroc2nv
definately a show winner!!
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From: Where the heck am I !..Oh yeah,in Lousy-ana.
Car: 1991 Z28
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 4L60 automatic
Very nice!
It looks like the car that was featured in Super Chevy July'99.If it is he changed it quite a bit engine,wheels,top,enginebay and interiorwise.
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From: Houston, TX
Car: '86 T/A
Engine: 350/LT1 Intake
Transmission: 700R4 - Built
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 3.42
Yep, thats the same car. Somoene had mentioned something about that car, but it being different.
That is a CLEAN engine bay, so much better then mine. how much hours you think is involve into the engine bay alone ???
I redoing it right now .... but maybe not as good as this one
I redoing it right now .... but maybe not as good as this one
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From: Derbyshire, United Kingdom
Car: 91 camaro rs
Engine: 350
Transmission: T5
Wow, 91Zman, you have a good memory!
I still have that article myself but would never have recognised it!
There was a massive amount of work that went into that originally (i.e. not a convert originally). This guy has some serious skills/time/money on his hands!!
Andy.
I still have that article myself but would never have recognised it!
There was a massive amount of work that went into that originally (i.e. not a convert originally). This guy has some serious skills/time/money on his hands!!
Andy.
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From: Where the heck am I !..Oh yeah,in Lousy-ana.
Car: 1991 Z28
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 4L60 automatic
Originally posted by Andy Fanshawe
Wow, 91Zman, you have a good memory!
I still have that article myself but would never have recognised it!
There was a massive amount of work that went into that originally (i.e. not a convert originally). This guy has some serious skills/time/money on his hands!!
Andy.
Wow, 91Zman, you have a good memory!
I still have that article myself but would never have recognised it!
There was a massive amount of work that went into that originally (i.e. not a convert originally). This guy has some serious skills/time/money on his hands!!
Andy.
,and then it came to me.I've seen it before in a super chevy magazine,just happened to remember what magazine.
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From: Houston, TX
Car: '86 T/A
Engine: 350/LT1 Intake
Transmission: 700R4 - Built
Axle/Gears: 4th gen 3.42
I remember seeing those door panels too. But I belive some guy did it here on thirdgen.org w/ the orignal third gen door panels.
i remember seeing a car just like that in an older super chevy magazine, but it had a built tpi - not LT1, what looked much more like a 3rd gen engine bay, billet 17" wheels, 93-96 4th gen dash, cavalier grey lether seats i beielve, but it had the same paint. it just struck me since they both had those same headlights: those one piece 80's monte carlo lights. few years back though... 96 or something? weird how my memory was activated with just those headlights though lol
edit: OK i totally didnt see that scanned picture before i posted LOL i liked it so much better the old way! why would you get rid of those billet looking wheels for the ZL1's? i thought the interior before was more unique too, but hey, its his car
edit: OK i totally didnt see that scanned picture before i posted LOL i liked it so much better the old way! why would you get rid of those billet looking wheels for the ZL1's? i thought the interior before was more unique too, but hey, its his car
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Car: 1999 Camaro Z28
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Well I must say, the guy put alot of time and money into making everything look like a factory fit. The engine bay is just beautiful and the interior was done very well for a conversion. My only thing is, if you want a 4th Gen interior, engine, drive train, and suspension, why dont you just by a 4th Gen. The whole idea behind owning a 3rd Gen is because its a 3rd Gen. I like the 3rd Gen interiors, they are not as plush which in my opinion, that is how a muscle car or race car should be. Just my .02
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From: Plano, TX
Car: 1992 RS
Engine: 406 Stealth Ram
Transmission: 700R4
Originally posted by chevyguy1969
....I like the 3rd Gen interiors....
....I like the 3rd Gen interiors....
if u look at the firewall all he did was remove everything and anything he didnt need becuz obviously he doesnt drive it in the rain. so he didnt need the wiper, the wiper motor, or the place between the window and the firewall so he covered it and smoothed it all out. its definately a 3rd gen but with a crap load of work done to it.
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From: Valley Head, AL
Car: 1983 Camaro "SC-350"
Engine: Mild 350 4-bolt
Transmission: 700R4 w/ TCI Stall
originally posted by scott_92RS:
When chevyguy1969 said this:
Notice he said 4th Gen interior, engine, drive train, and suspension, thats four 4th gen elements, not just one, as you said the comment about putting a big block in a third-gen. Four 4th gen elements-yeah you might as well have a 4th gen, but putting a big block in a 3rd gen has nothing to do with that.
So by your methodology, putting a big block into a 3rd gen is no good either, cause that didnt come in a 3rd gen, or any other engine size other than a 305 or a 350? The "Buy a 4th gen" comment is garbage IMHO...
if you want a 4th Gen interior, engine, drive train, and suspension, why dont you just by a 4th Gen.
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From: Moved... GA still, more garage space!
Car: 87 Red/Blk Bird loaded 3.4L & 700R4
Transmission: Th700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Talk about a double take. Wow that is some serious work. That would be cool to see in person. You can miss alot in pics. I like the headlights. I need to get my hands on that super chevy mag. I bet Joe has it somewhere.
Personally I prefer larger flames that overlap and inter-twine (sp)
Personally I prefer larger flames that overlap and inter-twine (sp)
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From: Plano, TX
Car: 1992 RS
Engine: 406 Stealth Ram
Transmission: 700R4
Originally posted by fast83camaro
originally posted by scott_92RS:
When chevyguy1969 said this:
Notice he said 4th Gen interior, engine, drive train, and suspension, thats four 4th gen elements, not just one, as you said the comment about putting a big block in a third-gen. Four 4th gen elements-yeah you might as well have a 4th gen, but putting a big block in a 3rd gen has nothing to do with that.
originally posted by scott_92RS:
When chevyguy1969 said this:
Notice he said 4th Gen interior, engine, drive train, and suspension, thats four 4th gen elements, not just one, as you said the comment about putting a big block in a third-gen. Four 4th gen elements-yeah you might as well have a 4th gen, but putting a big block in a 3rd gen has nothing to do with that.
A stock LT1 engine is a great platform to start with, and they respond very well to mods. I'm not all that familer with the suspension setup on a 4th gen, but from what I've heard, the 3rd gen is superior, but hey, that guy wanted it, so he used it. Not everyone wants that "race car look" on the inside of their cars. I, and I'm sure many others, drive their car often and appreciate an interior thats easy on the eyes. I just dont like the look of a 3rd gen interior, and since the 4th gen interior sounds like its a fairly direct swap, why not put it in there so I can enjoy my interior, as well as take pride in doing something myself?
If everyone in the world had the "Why not just buy a 4th gen" mentality, there wouldn't be any hot rods out there. All of you guys that ask "why" and not "why not?" need to realize that there are people out there who ask "why not?". If nobody ever inovates, where will progress come from? If everyone thought that stuff was "good enough", where would the stuff thats better come from? I guess this all spawns from what your view of "better" is compared to the next guy...
I'll be happy with my 3rd gen with 4th gen interior, and you'll be happy with your 3rd gen with your 3rd gen interior.
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From: Valley Head, AL
Car: 1983 Camaro "SC-350"
Engine: Mild 350 4-bolt
Transmission: 700R4 w/ TCI Stall
I wasnt being mean, i was just saying that putting a big block in a third gen has nothing to do with putting 4th gen mods on a 3rd gen.
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The firewall is 4th gen...most people don't recognize it because you rarely see one! The booster and MC are as well as the inner fenders and radiator support. I'd love to see what he did with the front suspension and K-member. As a 4th gen owner, I'll tell you why not "just buy a 4th gen"...they're not built as well, they're harder to work on (due to engine placement), and to me its far cooler to improve an older car than just buy a new one. Anybody can do that. My next car will use a 4th gen engine and trans, rear brakes, master cylinder, mirrors, and a 4th gen style hood, but it will still be recognizable as a 3rd gen. Excellent work on this car!








