I was just on google images searching for headlights and i came across this one: http://www.bigrigchromeshop.com/Merc...HDLITB/UP31375 . Every 4x6 headlight for our cars that say "PROJECTOR" are said to be fake. If i can get some opinions on this one. It does look pretty weird but i cant tell if this is a crap projector or semi real one. If this one is junk then ill probably end up building my own real projectors. Thanks

 

I see "Sylvania Halogen Bulb" which makes me believe it isn't a HID true projector. Just a halogen bulb like the Firebirds fog lights one is.

 

Yea i read that to. The problem with the ebay projectors is its just like a magnify glass for the projector. I mean i was wondering if you pop an hid light in there if its better than the ebay ones. It really caught my eye as a semi real projector.

 

It's obviously not HID but there is a shroud around the projector lens. Could be a good bowl design or not, who knows. I'd like to see someone buy them and find out. Only problem is if you plan on running an HID retrofit kit it will place the capsule in a different location than intended which could be real bad for light output.

 

Are you meaning it will project the light in the wrong spot? Im not totaly understanding what you mean.

 

Kind of. The light is designed (hopefully) to throw light in a specific location. If you change where the bulb mounts (the origin of the light) the light being thrown out won't go in the intended direction. It may not even be noticeable, but you won't know unless you try it.

 

Yea i hear you. Only problem stopping me from buying it now is how it looks. I have a set of fake ebay lights and they actually have a nice look to them i really dont know how this would look and its 100 for a pair. Any photoshop guys interested in making a pic with these lights on a red camaro??

 

Heres another image if this is better http://miami-star.com/media/catalog/...us02-2227l.jpg . Just to ask, for our factory lights they make aftermarket h4 conversion lights that look like the factory ones right? If they do, how would the light project on that if you put an HID system in there?

 

Well heres some cool news, i called the shop up and he told me these arent like the junk ebay lights. He says there is a cut off inside and it will work good with hid's. Only problem is once the little LED lights burn out they cant be replaced. They also offer the same kind of style in high beams, heres the link: http://www.bigrigchromeshop.com/Merc...HDLITB/UP31376

 

Horrible. And just because there is a cutoff doesn't mean these new lights will be good for HIDs either. Unless the guy you talked to has done it and has pictures, I'd be more inclined to think he's just trying to sell them to you. Maybe I'm just a cynic though.

 

Im going by his word. It would be nice to see some installed pics. I wouldnt mind buying them if after they werent like he said and i can get a full refund. Being stuck with crappy 100 dollar lights would suck, at least the ebay ones i never used were 20. Im going to call them back up and see if they have any pictures installed and if any with hids

 

They are $93.70 EACH not a pair! For $400 for a full set of high/low I want real projectors.

 

OH MY!! Nevermind that, i totaly missed that from the beginning. Yep ill def get real projectors if im basically paying in the same range!!!!

 

Led's around it look stupid. Otherwise they look pretty nice.

 

They do look pretty nice, but yea the LED's kill it. If they were 93.70 a pair id have a set. If anyone does take the chance in buying one or two, post some pics with it installed and opinions on it

 

i've been looking for a projector with cutoff (mandatory for me) for my bird for some time to do an HID conversion to. These seem like the best option so far, but it doesnt look like they make one for the bird lights, booooo. I'd give up high beams for a solid low beam

 

Hey this is the original link i found the lights from. If you read the post, they say "if not wired right then you would need two sets of lights". Maybe you will understand that better than me. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=454937

 

the issue is not the wiring, but that the birds use a different size & style of housing than the camaros. gotta keep searching (and hunting for the money that's not in my wallet )

 

What size are the headlights?

 

Just because the title says "projection" doesnt mean they're projectors!As the link you have on post #9 uses the same wording, except for hi Vs low & those are obviously not projection of any kind.

Even at $93 each that would be too cheap for real projectors.These use a 9000 series bulb.Factory/OEM (true to the bone/real McCoy/whatever you wanna call them) projectors are either D1S or D2S type.Anything else is a halogen (meaning reflector, not projector) lighting.The so called bowl (if there really is one) is designed for halogen bulbs, not HID lamps.The cutoff means nothing in terms of performance.Its merely to prevent blinding oncoming traffic.

Ever notice the cheap/fake projector sellers never have images of they're "projectors" displaying light on the road.Its mostly head on shots of some bright *** light.Even a flashlight will look bright in photos.Dont be fooled by that.Ask the seller if they have any images how the lamp "projectecs" the light on the road.

Save your money, even if they were 93/pair.

 

82-92 Camaros & 91-92 Firebirds are 4" x 6".

82-90 Firebirds are 5" x 7".

 

Out of everyone on this board I would've presumed you'd know that not all projectors are HID. Maybe I'm not reading your post correctly or something but it sounds like you're saying it has to be HID to be a projector, which is untrue. Please correct me if I'm reading your post wrong.

 

Yes, you read it wrong.

 

 

Hey thanks for clarifying. Seeing as how you clearly wrote these "aren't projection of any kind" and "true projectors use d1s/d2s" I can't believe how I would've been confused! /sarcasm

What a ****ing awesome contribution to the thread.

 

Better clarification is in the link..click on it!
"those are obviously not projection of any kind" is in reference to that.

"Factory/OEM (true to the bone/real McCoy/whatever you wanna call them) projectors are either D1S or D2S type".
A genuine projector is always going to be HID.The only genuine HID lamps are either D1 or D2 designation, so a "true" HID projector will either use D1 or D2 type lamps.Thats how they were designed from the get-go,All other HID lamps (H4/7/9,9005/6,etc) are modified D1/D2's to accept halogen, (i.e (H4/7/9,9005/6,etc) sockets.Halogen projectors are reverse engineering.Basically, an HID designed projector modified for halogen bulbs.Halogen projectors never perform like HID units, even when an HID lamp is used inplace of the halogen bulb.So i stand by my remark "true projectors are either D1S or D2S type".Hologen projectors are not true (genuine) projectors, even with an HID upgrade.

Still confused?Go to hidplanet.com & read up.Thats where i got my HID education.Ive said what i said above till i was blue in the face, but people here either just want "the look" or buy a pseudo projector/HID set-up in hopes of finding honest to goodness proj/HID results.You get what you pay for.

]rant[

 

Hey no problem! And thank YOU for not reading, and asking the same question! You've been AWESOME

I'll include a pic of my true hid/projector set-up to hopefully ease the waddage of your panties.

 

So then what are all the OEM non-HID "projector" looking headlights? How are those not projectors?

 

While I admit my response was a bit crass your ignorance of what was written still remains. Plus, you illustrated exactly 84 1LE's point of useless photographs.

Good job!

 

They're most certainly projector lenses. They're not GOOD projectors by any means. But that doesn't change the fact they are still projectors.

No. Just no. They're are tons of manufacturers out there with halogen projector lenses. GTOs, mazdas, saabs and countless others. They most common I see is an H7 in a lot of benzs/bmws.

I'm not arguing that these rebased HIDs are good products. I know all about HIDs with a 900x. They're bandaids to get the right output. Which is exactly what I said earlier in this thread. That a retro kit with a 9003 base will not put the lights focal point in the same location and could produce undesirable results.

I'm not confused by HIDs at all. You're obviously used to talking to ignorant people on this site but I am not one of them. I was confused at your overly simplified statement of fact. Don't take this reply as aggressive either, I am not upset and I hope you're not either. It's good to have a decent discussion on the topic.

 

Can you take a close up on your setup??

 

Ellipsoid maybe....still not an actual projector.Fewer still are halogen projectors.
Not a dedicated HID projector,never said not a projector, but this argument will go on forever.

 

You did say that, you clearly said that ALL true projectors are D1S or D2S, which these are not. Dedicated HID projects, yes, 100% agreed, they are ALL D1S or D2S, however there are lots of Halogen projectors out there and they definitely don't use a D1S or D2S bulb.

 

Ive already said what i think of halogen projectors....unsubscribed!

 

eh here u go i was bored :P hope u like it not my best work but thats i guess how it would look with them on (hope the person of the camaro doesnt mind me usen his pic :P

 

LOL. I'll take that as a compliment. Too busy checkin out my ride too notice the angle and light output on the road

For camaro1122, this is the best I have. This was a while back.

 

Yes. That's exactly how I meant it too. You don't understand that taking a picture facing a light source in no way shows how awesome that light source is. That definitely sounds like a compliment to me. But wait! There's a glimpse of light on the ground that also doesn't show cutoff or spread either! [/sarcasm]

You're not helping your case here. Seriously though, I'm sure your projector setup works great. I'm retro'ing some now to finally ditch my re-based h4s. can you take some REAL shots of the cutoff and such? Mucho appreciate.


Oh, Okay.

 

Since this seems to be a thread where everyone knows lights lol i have a question, might not be the brightest but here i go. For those ebay fake projector lights that everyone uses for a retrofit, if your good with metal fab work could you make like a shroud but only cover the area where the said to be projector piece is? Meaning the inside of those "projectors" have a glass circle and its held up by the side metal stands, where the H4 light goes in its basically open which is where the light reflects from. If you were to cover the area open where the bulb goes would that make a some what better said to be projector? I know my wording sucks but its kind of hard to describe.

 

I think I get what you're saying. Basically hand make a shroud that blocks all the excess light around the projector ideally forcing the light through the lens, correct?

Problem with this is 99% of properly designed projects put the bulb/light source in a reflector bowl that is specifically built so that as much light as possible is focused through the projector lens. All these ebay lights are nothing more than a standard h4 conversion assembly with a random projector lense tossed in there. If you mounted a shroud block half the light output, you'd do just that. Block half the light output. It wouldn't end up going through the projector lens. If that makes any sense?

 

Ouch low blow lol. I would love to but the iroc is out of commission right now. I can tell you this; I've never gotten flashed, no attention from the popo, everyone compliments, and I can actually SEE the road. Its been a pain for me to drive my formula lately I can't see **** at night.

 

Yea thats what i was asking. I was an idea that popped in my head. It really does suck that the only true projector lights for our car is 1000 unless you make your own. I guess when you first get your car those ebay lights seem like an amazing buy since there so cheap lol. My buddy has an 08 mustang and since he didnt want to spend money on aftermarket lights he just threw in some hids. His have a little umbrella looking thing and the light bulb fits up to that, just like the ebay ones. Just to ask, does the light really go wack? It seems like all the older cars from like 05 and down use a hologen bulb with the umbrella thing, isnt all of those setups blinding as well?

 

They almost all have that little umbrella thing but where it is, how far away from the bulb it is and what minuscule shape changes can drastically affect where light goes. HID capsules throw light in weird directions if not kept in check. Even oriented correctly the distance the bulb sticks in the housing will affect where the light is in the same fashion turning the end of a mag light or equivalent flashlight focuses or spreads out the beam.

True blue projector HID retrofit kits cost so much because of the R&D and labor associated with this. Companies have never wanted to give away their product (well, most) so it'll probably still be awhile until we see inexpensive setups.

 

So if i buy an ebay umbrella set they would be junk if i put an hid kit in them? If you were just wanting a cheap hid light set, what setup would you go with for thirdgen camaros??

 

Having run the cheap DDM kit and H4 conversion headlights for awhile now I would say save your pennies for actual HID style projectors from a reputable source. They light output is impressive even with a crappy HID retro and that's why so many people love them, because they're so much better than Halogens. However they glare and throw light everywhere. I've been ordering my components from hidplanet for awhile now. I'm trying to fit a bixenon morimoto mini in a firebird headlight bucket. If It were a camaro I'd run any of those projectors since you guys have much more room behind.

 

I want to save up for a nice retrofit set, but i also want to drive at night. Im close to finishing my engine and tranny build, so id like to get on the road at night and show her off after a year of just sitting in the driveway. I dont know how i keep finding these lights lol but what do you think of these? http://norcalmr2.com/pegasusjr/ Do they look custom made? I emailed him asking about him, info's at the bottom

 

They make for good housings to mount a true projector into, but that is about all they are good for.

 

I mean my fab skills are a total fail, so id be buying it from someone willing to make it on here WHEN i get the money because there not cheap. Just to ask about the H4 bulb they provide with the set, does that blind everyone to?

 

Looks like they are not Bi-Xenon though...No Hi/Low beams, just Low.

And judging by the video of the Pegasus (not Jr.) the light output is like only 30ft (or something like that).

 

I'm bringing this back from the dead because I have a question and I see a lot of knowledgeable posters who know what they're talking about.

If I were to tackle a true retro fit projector set up with a D1 or D2 projector, does it matter how far back in the fake H4 housing the projector sits? I was gonna pick up the aftermarket sealed beam housings since they're plastic not glass so I can cut off the back ends and fiberglass in the projectors but didn't know if there's a mathematical sweet spot on where to put the projector or a certain angle it needs to be set at?

 

Why in the world would you make yourself go through all that work and pain when you can just get these?
I am ordering a set for myself soon.

http://www.tlg-store.com/product_p/6010003.htm