88ragtop

They really need to cut all the BS out of all those shows and just restore the damn cars. We don't give a s*** if they can do a overhaul in 7 days or 2 years. We only watch the shows for the cars and they usually do have awesome cars. That's why I record all of those shows so I can fast forward through all BS going on in the shop.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

Well if your recording the show, aren't you watching it as it records? I'm not trying to be a thorn, I'm just trying to make sense of your claim.

jas2730

iTrader: (7)

DVR my friend.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

Of course. I just won't get into it because its pointless to argue. All i will say is dont watch it if its junk. Then we won't have to hear the bickering. I personally like to see the show. It's a "show", not a documentary. All the stuff inbetween is filler and for entertainment purposes. It's expected.

Edwardgp

I also hate the BS. I do not like the filler and I am not entertained, like the cars. To each there own.

GenX'Motorsport

Remember its just a show guys. It's supposed to be entertaining. But behind all the "entertainment" there is a real shop that actually does quality work. Not those dopes that yell at eachother. If you just want the building of a car, watch Overhauling, Spikes Powerblock, and Speed vision.

hartsmike

Can't find if anyone answered the question of the guy from gas monkey being the same guy that used to host CMT's Trick My Truck?

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

I hate those guys. They do cosmetics and don't even touch the under carriage leaving it all rusted up. They should embarrased to call themselves automobile restoration specialists.

http://spankmymarketer.com/video.html

2007xl50

Do you have the pic that you tired to poast on the last page? I want to see more of this $40K Iroc.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

i sure do......
IMG_1964.jpg?t=1349801287
IMG_1963.jpg?t=1349801275
IMG_1962.jpg?t=1349801264
IMG_1961.jpg?t=1349801249
IMG_1959.jpg?t=1349801247
IMG_1958.jpg?t=1349801232
IMG_1956.jpg?t=1349801212
IMG_1955.jpg?t=1349801210
with these "Non Factory" standards, i dont think the job was worth the said price.

EjBaL

I totally agree with you! I think Richard is a complete tool. They half a$$ most of their stuff and I wouldn't buy a thing from them. The show is called "Fast and Loud" and nothing on there is anything I consider fast. Also when they lower a car that has coil springs, they don't replace them how you're supposed to they just cut them. I've seen 2 cars I think that actually looked good. The 64 Impala and the Ford truck, I think it was a 68. So he can power brake the cars, big deal. He can do donuts in dirt parking lots, wow that's impressive. "Time to go do some sweet burnouts and drink some BEER!!" He says that in like every show.

TVIROCZ

iTrader: (1)

I am glad you pointed out the half *** job they did. I was reading on this forum what people said about the $40000 about how it was too much and who cares its her money. Definitely not worth what she paid, if I where her I would of told them put the car back to the way it was. She originally had the TPI and now she has a carb. I wonder how she feels about that bc I would of been pissed. They could of gave her leather interior. She was ripped off. I would never spend that on my 3rd gen. She should of just bought a new car if she was spending that much.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

The IROC could of gotten there to Counts with the carb setup. Just because its an IROC, it doesn't mean it has to have a TPI. There other IROC packages too. There was a carbed IROC and a TBI, that's right, I said TBI.

2007xl50

Good point out in the pix there 86-thanks for posting them. I like the show for the most part and think Danny is a cool guy-alot better than let's drink beer all the time Richard from crap monkey LOL! Over all most of us agree that the lady did not get a $40k resto and she could have spent her money in alot better ways. Still would love to know more about the car from her or someone that worked on it.

InfernalVortex

iTrader: (4)

People have been lowering cars a LONG time, LONG before anyone showed up with aftermarket lowering springs. How do you think springs are made? If you guessed they use specially mixed alloys and make them into specially measured wire, you're right. Then what tehy do is they coil it and cut it to achieve the desired ride height and spring rate. Cutting off half a coil increases the spring rate but does not make anything unsafe in and of itself. As long as you dont cut it with a blow torch taht will damage its heat treating and make it brittle, there's NOTHING wrong with cutting springs. Even Chip Foose does it, and I hate his cars but he does top-notch work.


Take note from 2:16. They even show people grinding/cutting/torching spring ends at 3:35

So again, as long as you dont unnecessarily raise the temperature of the spring steel as youcut them, theres nothing wrong with doing it. Cutting springs in coilover setups is a different story as there are so few coils that they can and will collapse.

ZZ3 Z28

I like the premise of F&L better than CC but I had to laugh last night when Richard bought a '32 3-window Ford for $28,000.00. When they got back it to the shop they had to chuck the entire chassis for a new one costing a cool 12 grand. For being supposed experts they sure got taken on that one.

That goes to show that when buying a car whether it's a '32 Vicky or an '85 IROC, it is buyer beware. Don't assume what the seller is telling you is truth. He's out to get all the $$$ he can from you. Bring a friend, an impartial party to help you determine if what you're looking at is a good deal or a pile of junk. Get on the ground and look at the underside. Don't fall in love at first site. If it looks at all fishy, go on to the next one.

hartsmike

It doesn't say she spent 40K. Or even in the 35 to 40K. It just shows them "commenting" 35 to 40K. I agree that they did alot of work and it wasn't cheap but that doesn't mean behind the cameras they had another deal worked out.

Goosehead

You were so right, im just amazed you said exactly the words that was in my mind.

You must be gifted....

Mishimoto

I haven't been able to keep up with these guys lately. Have they managed to turn over any nice cars?

pearl_iroc

just saw the episode, and anyone wondering about the motor, summit racing is offering the same set up they used. So that leaves 30Gs+ in ?? Also it it looks like they swapped the rear end out for a ford 9 inch, so maybe they did do more good than there given credit for. After all this is supposed to be a high end custom shop, so labor rate must be insane

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-CSUMCC13000/

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

Hahaha. Summit Racing has just lowered its standards by providing a "Counting Cars" combo package. I wonder who came up with that bright idea there in Summit. SMH.

2007xl50

I seen that too, Not to get off Topic, but Summit has been sucking as of late. I live about 20 mins from there and remember when they had it all in stock. Now it seems you have to order about half the stuff you want.

I think we all agree after months of this thred the lady over paid for the work.

Johnny Blaze

iTrader: (15)

Then the masses would not watch.

Car guys don't watch reality shows, the general public does, and its for the drama.

Just another stupid "reality" show.

If I want to watch people argue of stupid stuff, I'll go to a family reunion.

mnug13

I saw that episode awhile ago and would definitely not pay a price like that.

Zach/90\irocZ

iTrader: (6)

i heard that and its real LMAO

NufNuffZ28

iTrader: (10)

Read back a few pages..... I paused it when they showed the underside of that car. It's not a thirdgen that had the 9" rear in it. It was a car with a 4-link suspension setup...

88I-ROC

I watched few of their other episodes and it seems that the alleged video frame with the Ford axle is actually shown on a lot of their episodes. It's been edited to the episode along with other repetitive vido frames right after they start a project. I assume it did not meant to reference to that particular car that they were working on, but only as a transition in the show after they started a project. Watch few other of their episodes and you'll see I'm right.

1984 Z/28 camar

They were stock wheels just painted black

3rdgenkiller

iTrader: (1)

What a terrible show! it has to be stagged!

GenX'Motorsport

Sorry guys, But i must vent about the episode of "Gas Monkey" I saw last night. They took the coolest Ferrari's ever made, and my fave Supercar. And butchered the Hell out of it. You dont do those things to an F40! It was horrible. That idiot with the beard put his own "spin" on the car. IMHO it did look good when done, and it was cool. But thats what Kit Cars are for. Not one of 200 North American F40's! He said he didnt like the original "Ugly" rims. WTF???!!!!! Gas Monkey killed an F40. Yes, they brought it back from being totalled. But they built it wrong! Even the couple Ferrari experts they had doing work to it, you could tell they were not happy with the direction of the build at all. I just cant believe they changed up an F40!!!! OMG!

blackbmagic

Wrong show bro^

GenX'Motorsport

^ No, Earlier in thread we spoke about gas monkey too..

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

What bothered me more was when Aaron was talking like he did all the work himself. As far as I can see, the experts did all the work. But what can you do? I say they saved a totaled Ferrari and not let it go to waste. I mean, wouldn't you wanna repair a trashed Ferrari if you had the cash? I would. But I would make such dumb comments like "those rims where ugly" or "who cares if I @$&!# off the purists." I applaud the experts for bringing it back to life. But I DO NOT give credit to Gas Monkey for acting as if they did the restoration. Hate me if you don't agree with me. Just my opinion.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

GenX'Motorsport

Somebody would have done that car. But they messed it up. I think any other place would have done it properly. And yes I agree Aron didnt do most of the work at all. But he called the shots. That mixed with the work he actually did do is what hurt the car. Otherwise it could have been restored to what an F40 was meant to be.

GenX'Motorsport

Trust me that car would not have been left for scrap.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

lmidden

the car is nice but not 40 grand for repairs simple as that

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

Yup. Did you see the pictures I posted about all the inaccuracies they did on that 86 IROC?

Renegade-Z28

I think I'll stick to motor trend TV.

LivinLarge

One thing about Gas Monkey that pisses me off is that on the show, you can see where they don't finish cars. Like last nights Galaxie. When they were test driving it with the couple, you could clearly see the still rusty inner roof with no headliner on it.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

That's the diffrence between flipping cars and full restoration. Flipping = reselling in its current or upgraded condition and well,,, we do know what full restoration means. Richards method is to buy, fix,resale, and get her out. It's a faster way to make money if you have money, little bit of time, and space.

UnderCover89TBI

iTrader: (25)

She went to a high end shop to get her car restored. She couldn't do it herself. 8k in the a 383 chevy carbureted stroker is a tad high but for a shop who marks up all the parts, builds it, installs it. I think it is right in line. It's not like he gets all the performance parts for a 1/4 of the cost of someone else. I work at a shop and getting discount on performance parts is few and far between. A pristine paint job like that is probably like 10-15k alone, throw in body work. Throw in rebuilt transmission, rebuilt suspension, redone brakes, interior, rear end rebuild? (i am sure they did it)

So say body and paint-15k
engine-8k
transmission-2k
suspension rebuild-2k
brakes-1k
interior-2k
rear end-1.5k

I got like 31,500 for it....but we don't know their prices. If she wanted to pay it you cant be mad at them for doing the work.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

iTrader: (17)

I just saw last week that they did a full restoration and the car was extremely bad. The owner paid less than $20 G's. I still think they gave her the shaft.

anesthes

iTrader: (12)

That was a good funny read.

You guys know, a difference exists between a car getting 'restored' in the trailer park, and one being done in a high end shop, right?

I've got TWENTY THOUSAND in parts and materials since March, 2012 into my build and I'm still block sanding the primer. If I added up all of my countless hours of labor and put a price of only $50 an hour (a lot less than I'm paid) we'd be well over 20k just in labor.

And I'm not done!

This isn't a roll-on rustoleum paint job, a junkyard vortec swap, etc. High end parts don't install themselves. Shipping isn't free.

-- Joe

Joe Tag

iTrader: (4)

Good eye chevy 86. I like to pride myself on spotting things like that in these type of shows, and I totally missed most of that.
Any of you can try and defend and justify the cost of that build, but I say Danny dropped the ball on that one. I'd be super pissed if I payed 30k and had little things like the seat belt trim, windshield molding, and decals that 86 pointed out.



edit: The fender is too low as well door molding and GFX are at least a 1/4" off

IMG_1958.jpg?t=1349801232

91 Droptop

I agree anesthes, people come and say I want my car restored, well restored means every nut and bolt comes off the car and it is returned to factory specs. People are often confused on what they want, restoration is expensive, resto-mod is what a lot of people go for these days due to cost. Depending on the car is how I determine what kind of build I plan to do, I have a 69 GTO matching numbers vert, I cut off all the rust and covered it up so I can do a rotisserie restoration when I have the proper amount of time. My 91 Z on the other hand is a resto-mod, I plan to drive that one and enjoy it the way I built it, high end motor, suspension and brakes. Its all in the what you want to spend, she may have told them no higher than a cretin $$ amount and thats what they stuck too. I have had the pleasure and nightmare to judge quite a few car shows, and I can tell you what people consider restored is not that by a long shot, money dictates the outcome and that my friends is the ugly truth. High end parts are expensive, This snap shot of my rear suspension components and 4th gen rear are around a grand alone and that's with me doing all the work, The GTO is looking at 20K with me doing the work, so its a money thing.

Joe Tag

iTrader: (4)

How much extra should it cost to put the decals in the right place?
Sorry but a keen eye, proper alignment and attention to small details is what is supposed to set apart "high end" body shops from a backyard resto.

Joe Tag

iTrader: (4)

I see none of you can come up with even an unreasonable excuse why this should happen. Let alone a good one. That's because there is no excuse.
She brought the car in because it was stolen and had body damage from the joy ride. This leads me to believe she wanted the paint and body work done more than the drivetrain(women are more about asthetics). It cost me an extra $80 for my body guy to call in a glass man to pull and reset the windshield with new rubber trim. (let's double that since it's for a tv show) It costs nothing to take a pic so you can get at least close to where the decal originally was.( it even looks to me like the pass. side is closer to the front than the drivers) Might be 20 minutes of labor to adjust that fender around a little better. If they didnt want to fix the seatbelt trim right, $1.60 tube of superglue will hold it long enough to get through the filming so we dont see it and pick it apart.
Yes, this does cost a little more, but with a $5,000 difference between min and max estimate i think it could have been done.

91 Droptop

I am not defending the shop, just explaining what usually happens