Have an 84 Iron Duke Camaro. Body is straight and engine is somewhat good. Will probably lower a V-8 in the engine bay in the future. Car is not worth selling at the moment and hate throwing away a good bodied car (regardless of engine or lack thereof). Always loved the look of the 82-84 Z28. Anything wrong with making a Z28 clone. I don't plan on passing this off as a "true" Z28. Your thoughts!

Brandon

 

Go for it....I have an '87 base Bird, with a Formula hood, IROC side skirts, soon to be GTA front clip and rear...probably a GTA spoiler, too...a complete Frankenstein, but looks great, and all that's left is choosing what engine to drop in.. I'm sure some purists will think it's wrong, but..blah...go for it.

 

Just wondering. See quite a few cloned 67-69 Z28s. Folks don't seem to think there's nothing wrong with that. Just yet to see a late model version. Know I'd get killed trying to clone a late model Mustang Cobra. Those guys hate clones!

 

Your car, do what you want. Who cares what others think.

 

I own an 84 z28 and I don't want some one making a clone .
Seriously, there were tons of 82-84 z28's made, and it is not a real
collectors car, so I don't think any one would care if you made a
clone. Like I said I own one and I really don't care, and would
probably do the same thing if I was you. Now if it was a 3rd gen
firehawk then some people may get upset, because of the
collectability of the real cars. So go for it and make your car the way
you want it.

 

I say go for it. I have an RS thats going to be a Z28. If it looks like it and you can put up or shut up at the line. There should be no flames about the idea. Just dont go dropping in a 305 or something just because it was on sale ya know what I mean?

 

Well, I'm gonna start by saying that I do not want to argue with anyone....there's been this same thread floating around somewhere else for a few weeks.

No problem with any body or interior or performance mods, but please don't put Z28 badges on it.

A lot of people don't like mis-badging a car. If you disagree, that's fine...no flame intended.

 

No flame intended anyone. I don't exactly agree with making a car into something it isn't either. With the way the door ground effects are made, there must be a badge on both sides. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. It ain't an RS or a Z28. So what do I do????

Brandon

 

Fill in the area for the badge... keep 'em guessing

 

If you make your car exactly (or close enough) like what you are trying to clone and planning on keeping it instead of trying to screw someone passing it off as a 'true ____ (insert cloned car)' .. who cares? The only thing not making it that car you cloned is the VIN number.

I say go for it.. I had GTA badges on my car after I added the gfx and I might do the same when I'm done this time as well.... let people be pissed... they didn't fork out the cash to buy/build the car.. make it what you want.

 

just what the world needs, another z28, like there aren't enough of them on the road. you really don't see a plain jane sport coupe that often, it's always an rs or an iroc or a z28. I don't see the appeal, you add all those plastic ground effects peices onto your car so that it's less aerodynamic, it weighs you down, it bottoms out, and it's just ugly. Maybe i'm just too true to my car, If your gonna do it, atleast leave the RS badge on so your not a complete poser. Not meaning to flame, i'm just really opinionated...forgive me...had to throw in my two

 

DOn't do it my friend has a 92 camaro R28 as we call it its really stupid looking having the z ground effects and spoiler it looks bad

 

My car is a real frankenstien, and is about to get more non/original parts. Heres what I got:

1983 Firebird, orignally 305 LG4 700R4
Original Color: Brown Ext, Brown Int

Now:
-Exterior color: black (engine bay is still turd brown, though )
-Engine: 1980 Chevy 400 small block with crappy original 882 heads
-No longer V-Belt, now has 88-92 serpentine
-Now has 85-92 Dash and center console (with 85-92 shifter)
-Tan cloth GTA seats
-84-92 15X7" Firebird wheels
-85-90 T/A, GTA Tail Lights
-No spoiler for now

I have in my driveway an entire set of 85-90 T/A Ground effects, and aero spoiler, which are being prepped to put on the car. Pretty soon, you won't be able to tell what year my car is at all! :lala:

 

I converted my old LG4 to TPI, both are from the same year, it looks so factory that it blows peoples mind when I show them the decal on the underside of the hood that shows a 4BBL... Do it, I did.

the nice thing is I pay about $200 less in insurance because of it too...

John

 

Well, just think how you feel when you see some rice-burner pulls up with a "Type-R" or a "GT-R" badge on it. . . and it's really not. Same thing goes. That's how I feel. Make it a sleeper.

But like people say, it's your car, do what you want. Just my $.02.

 

he said he was planning on puting in a V8 eventually...

John

 

I say do what you want man. I had an 84 Z28 (until an 83 year old lady rearended me, totaled it, and left me with a permanent back injury)....but....I cloned it on to a 1991-1992 Z28.....all the ground effects, front and back bumpers, taillights, 3rd brake light, bowtire grill and foglights, and the High Rise Spoiler. Had the ASCD Big Block Stinger hood on it... installed seamless custom 1988 Trans Am lower fender vents...and had it lowered 2 inches too......but....do what you want....it's your car...and your imagination

 

buy the emblems that say "camaro" as seen on the 88SC's....that way your telling the truth, and looking good!

 

Yeah you got two things you can do, so that you don't have to make a clone. It's pretty much a repeat of some of the other's post. 1st one is like zer0321 get the bagets that say camaro. 2nd you can filled them in, like MetalliCamaroRS said. Now I've seen a Z around here with filled in/deleted bagets, everything was smooth. It was pretty mean like that, it was like a hot rod look. No decals, no pinstripes, no emblems, Just smooth and one solid color.

 

Sleepers are good. I dont see why you couldnt make it into anything you want. I mean the body is the same just the parts put on arent from the factory. It is possible and like anyones going to run your vin number. As long as it looks genuine and has the motor there should be no prob guys

 

I'm no purist by any stretch. I would think that the GTA style skirts would look alot better than Z28 skirts. Theres a base model bird up at my work that has the Z28 skirts and it looks out of place. It makes the car look to narrow at the bottom. Just my opinion. Do you have any pics of your ride? I'm curious to see if this guy just did it wrong. On the engine thing, that's a decision I am making myself.

 

That's a good idea. I also like the idea of leaving the car pure (except drivetrain) as the day it was built. But then again, 82-87 SC's are missing something. I mean, without the sideskirts, etc it just doesn't look right. There are more Camaros with ground effects on the road then a regular (82-87)SC. At least around here. But that fits my taste! Leave the body as an original 1984 SC or make into what I want. That's the question. How many of you see an original 84 SC these days? So I think the Z28 clone thing is out. Mainly what I want is the IROC hood. But that won't look good without the rest of the Z28 or RS body package.

Brandon

 

who cares what anyone thinks. do what you want to your car and badge it how you see fit. as long as you dont try to rip someone off when you sell it then there's nothing to worry about. I know when I complete my project Evo I'm going to have custom badges made. who cares what other ppl say.

 

I dont know. Unforgiven89/pennlyles once asked would it be ok to make his RS and IROC. I say the answer is NO. Yeah it might look like one, but it isnt one, and never be like one. If ya want a Z then get a Z. I am game though for puttin IROC or Z rims on a car but that is it. To do it all is just cheatin the guys that got one. I am sure you can think of a better set up then a Z. I mean rims, hood. Make the car something different, something that stands out. But if you want to make it a Z then make it a Z, But ti think the respect level will be less. You car your choice.

Pork

 

Yeah but all the guys who bought an iroc are proud because it's real....

Seriously though, swapping parts is one thing, but to call it something it's not...well, that's up to you. You will have to live with it, and drive it, not I. Would I do something like that? Nah, I'd rather just leave the badging off the car, and make people wonder.

The interesting thing about car models though, is really all that seperates them is options. If you think about, it's just an upgrade path from RS, to Z28, to Iroc. For bird lovers it's Firebird, Formula, Trans Am, and GTA. When you think about the differences between those models, there isn't really much, and people could order almost any model with options others had.

So what's in a name really? Call it what you want, and be happy that you did that, instead of regretting it because you made a decision based on what you thought others would think of it.

No flames intended, of course. I'm just expressing my opinion. I do know that there was someone on this board who had custom SS badges made for his camaro, fit right into the old badging slots, and looked like it came from the factory that way. Of course, if I remember right, he can back it up too.

I'm not partial to the look of the SC, but I can imagine the look on someone's face when you blow them away in one.

 

Go for it, I think it's alright to make a Z28 look a like as long as it's gonna have a V8.........

For you guys that say "Just buy a Z"...........He will have everything that a Z28 will.......*Except* the higher insurance.....

 

I had the GFX temp mounted, but won't be on permanantly until after the paint..I'm still lacking various pieces, including the front clip and such....but I've seen it, liked how it looked...I dunno, to each their own, I guess.

 

That was a good one! Even I didn't think about that. Was thinking of, in fact, of dropping a complete IROC drivetrain. And just about any other piece that's for an IROC only. Only difference in mine and a true Z28, is (will be, I should say) the VIN. Now I'm thinking of dropping the Z28 clone thing and dropping a nice 350 with a tunnel ram, 4" cowl induction hood, non-computerized wire harness, etc. Basically just a supped up 84 SC. That should surprise an unsuspecting 94+ Z28.

Brandon

 

You guys who like to re-badge always say things like, "well, I can back it up" or "don't worry, it'll have a V8" make it sound like you HAVE to put Z28 badges or Iroc badges on. Like someone is making you do it. It's not that you HAVE to...it's that you WANT to. You WANT it to be an Iroc. You WANT it to be a Z28. If you thought that the RS was a "cooler" name...you wouldn't change it. But you obviously think that "z28" sounds better. So it's not really about the performance is it? No, I didn't think so. Almost everyone on this site is modding there car, but most of us aren't rebadging....heck, my car isn't stock, does that mean it's not an Iroc? No, it's still an iroc. Does that mean, that if I drop in a 2.8, I can call it an SC? The car is so much more than the sum of all its parts.

You'll keep trying to justify it to the rest of us, and we'll keep telling you not to do it, and then you'll say how it's your car, and you'll do what you want....we say fine, then the thread ends, and 2 days later a new thread starts over with the same topic.

 

for the record, mine won't have any badges...lol....not that it should matter anyways. Who cares, a piece of plastic is just that.

 

LOL.........I just saw this and thought i has some revelence to this topic of placing different model badges on the car.....

I personally think it's OK to have a model that does exsist as long as you go all out (engine, interior, etc)......But when you start to make up models such as "SS" emblems you have crossed the line....

 

Yeah...You're right! It's not about performance. I just want it to "look" like a Z28. Was thinking about adding Z28 or IROC emblems on my Iron Duke Camaro.

 

I think you're being sarcastic right?...kinda hard to tell over the internet.

Regardless of what YOUR intentions are-, as far as other people are concerned, they don't need the badges to go fast....so why bother puttin' 'em on, unless, as I stated....they want to LOOK like something they're not.

Maybe I'll go get a tatoo that says I'm a navy seal...those guys are pretty bad-a$$.

 

Being very sarcastic here! I just wanted everyones opinion 'cause me never seen a clone 3rdgen Z28 before. Seen lots of 67+. I happen to go head over heals for the 82-84 Z28 look. As stated before, I hate to throw away a perfectly good body of a Camaro (which I already have). Yes, it needs a but load of work. But hate to just throw it away for that. I fully realize a car doesn't need special badges to go fast. Just happen to dig the look of that car. Is that OK with you????? Tell you one thing I do see alot of. And that's plenty of Z28s toting IROC-Z on their doors. We're talking about a genuine Z28, not a "true' IROC. Me don't see anything wrong with that!!! What do you think about that?



Brandon

 

well, in the spirit of friendly conversation...

I don't agree with that. I've used this example before, so not to sound like a broken record....

If you had "iroc" decals on the doors of your true Z28, and I stopped you and asked you if it was a real Iroc, what would you say? If you said it was an Iroc, you'd be lying correct? If you said it was a Z28, well, then what was the point in the first place?

I am very loyal to my hobbies, my manufacturer, my generation, and my model. To me, there is no doubt which 3rdgen is best, that's an Iroc. I know, I know, that's just my opinion, but if other people want an Iroc, then go buy one. While I don't condone a firstgen Z28 clone, I understand that you may not be able to find or afford one, but no one can tell me that they can't find an Iroc. Insurance maybe a little higher, but if these cost are putting you over the edge, you shouldn't be spending on your car anyway.

I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but as long as this remains fairly civil, I'll keep on goin'