sorry, mrdude... i didn't see anyone respond. oh well... i guess us stock boys will have to settle for manual power.

 

haha manual power, lol

 

Just had a thought. Maybee you could take the switch apart and take the sensors and mount them on your stock switches. No clue if this is possible. But i'm sure youd be the only one with stock auto roll down switches in a 3rd gen.

 

I've had them mounted in the ash tray for about a week now. I'll try and grab a digi cam soon and post pics.

 

Cool, can't wait to see some pics! Anyone know if there are any other rocker switches that will work as a plug and play type deal?

 

I'd still like to know how they actually work...

 

If you can't stand the autodown feature then what is the point of getting Saturn power windows switches.

 

having never looked at them, i have a THEORY...

when they auto go down, they close the circuit to the motor... the motor keeps going until it reaches the bottom... then the motor breaks the circuit... a kind of self protect thing...

well when the circuit on the switch sees its broken, it also stops "holding the switch down" and thats it...

i think.

 

I know I said a week, but I finally pulled the pictures off the camera.

 

The window switch door (ash tray) closed

 

i like what you did with yours deadbird

 

Some cool ideas, what ya guys think of mine? 4th gen switches to go with a 4th gen console, didn't get it in the car yet.

 

Looks like crap!!

 

looks like crap but yet ya want me to build ya one LOL

wanna buy it???? huh do ya huh huh oh never mind I'm gonna use it LOL

 

lol--looks damn good to me!! you know I had to tease ya!!
Damn good job!

 

So let me try to summarize this.....
In order to achieve the express down feature, all that is required is a window switch that has the feature on it? (ex. saturn) so in theroy if you wanted the feature on both sides, all you need to do is grab two driver's side windows switches that have the feature built in? what about modules and such?

 

my grand am has express down too. just thought I would add that..

 

Exactly.

Wish I could figure that wiring out! Anyone have one with the stock wires in it as well? I don't know the functions of all the wires!

 

wow... way to bring the post back from the dead.

 

yeah hopefully we can get some straight data out of this post. i went to that website everyone links to, but that guy talks sooo much about stuff thats not important that my A-D-D can't possibly sift through and understand it, also he installed a module and this guy seems to say it's just the switch. i hope someone that has a yes or no can just put it all down

 

im looking for he same thing right now..... confirmation, I want to do it, but I want to know that it will work. Will someone confirm that this is essentially a bolt in ?

 

Boy, I'd love to add this feature to my 91 Formula. Has anybody actually gotten it to work on a 3rd Gen using any full sized switches? If so, share it, PLEASE!!! WE CRAVE INFO!!!!

Have a Great Day!!



- Vern

 

heres everything you need to know to put in the 4thgen auto window module in.

http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/fbody/expresswindow.htm

 

Well...

Actually, it doesn't. (At least not to this dim-witted, thick-skulled old timer)

That link discusses how to do it in a 4th Gen, not a 3rd Gen, I'd buy the module - no problem - but how to wire it into th 3rd Gen harness would be the question.......

Ideas?


- Vern

 

Apparently you guys haven't seen the switches in my car... the driver's window has the auto down feature and all I did was match up most of the wire colors, to the thirdgen switches. However, I believe a few of them were backwards (ie blue going to brown and vice versa). All the other wires, like white and black and pink all match up. Just try it. My only problem was that the direction was messed up when I first wired it, so I reversed a few (window went auto-up instead of auto down) and bam.

 

Here we go, this should help w/ what I did.

 

Awesome! So the text in the top left is all I change to do it? Sounds easy enough!

 

I was searching on here the other day and found that someone had posted this schematic for the 4th gen's window circuit. This might help.

 

Took me a while, but I finally found the original post on here:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...ighlight=relay

 

I've got a 4th Gen console for my Formula, but I'm still trying to figure out what switches to use....

What year Contour switches were used, and what was the wiring conversions?

As to using 4th Gen window switches and mirror switch, what is the wiring conversion? I've actually got a 4th Gen driver's switch set if I could figure out how to separate or use them.

I've also read that BMW switches will work, but haven't seen anything that shows them, says which ones, or talks about the wiring of them.

I really want to do this, but have yet to see enough details on what anyone has done that included pix. I'd prefer not to lose the ashtray if possible, but will use that area if I have to.

Can anyone help this Old Phart out and give a "final answer" set of info?


- Vern

 

Here's what I ended up doing with my 4th Gen console (pls ignore the backward shifter ball, it's been "fixed" since these pix):

 

Another pic:

 

And a final (3rd) one:

 

Looks Great Vern!!!!:hail:

 

Does that mirror switch work Vern?? And if it does, you have got to show me how you did it. I tried and tied to get a 95 Grand Am mirror switch (little joystick) to work for over a week and came nowhere close. I have gotten the windows figured out, but need to get the mirrors now. I'm almost thinking of ripping the electric mirrors off and going to a pair of manual mirrors, I just cant find a manual left mirror (they are all cable controlled).

 

I used the 4th Gen Firebird switch, from around a 98 or so. Got the wiring harness pigtail for it with 6 inches or so of wire on the pigtail.

Pigtail has 8 wires, all different colors. My 91 Firebird mirror switch connector also had 8 wires, 6 different colors plus an extra green wire and an extra white wire (in other words, 2 greens and 2 whites).

First, look at the 3rd Gen pigtail. Notice the 4 wires go into the top center of it, and then there is a green wire and a white wire that goes into each side on the other end of the connector.

Ignore the 2 whites and green for a few minutes. Four of the remaining wires going into the 3rd Gen connector exactly matched 4 wires of the same color on the 4th Gen pigtail. Connect those same colored wires together.

Now connect one of the 3rd Gen green wires to the green wire on the 4th Gen pigtail. Do the same thing for the white 4th Gen wire. Make sure you're going to the same side of the 3rd Gen connector with this. Now you're left with a red/white stripe 4th Gen wire and IIRC a black with white stripe 4th Gen wire. Connect those to the other two white and green wires on the other side of the 3rd Gen connector.

Should work fine. Worse case I saw was the left side of the switch actually moved the right side mirror. So I just took the connections going into one set of 3rd Gen green and white wires and connected them to the other set of 3rd Gen green and white wires. Works fine. Took me all of 15 minutes to connect it up and have it working.

Now if your switch doesn't have 8 wires going into it or the colors don't match as I described, then I have no idea. Hopefully you do!


= Vern

 

Vern, you rock. I will go pick up a later style switch and get it in. It would have just kicked *** to have the small joystick type instead of big flat bastard. I will get something to work.
Thanks again.

 

GTA-SPD..... If you want to use a smaller switch, I used a common Ford power mirror switch, see pic If you want to go that route I can give you the wiring conversion... it's easy you can email me directly if you want more pics or have other questions.

 

I don't think they're are any cars with an express roll up feature unless they have some sophistacted sensors to check for obstructions in the windows path. The same reason that they've changed window switches from standard rockers to pull up to roll up is because some children had they're heads out the window, kneeled on the switch and got hurt/killed from it. the windows are much stronger and they will not stop. They don't sense back pressure and cut out so I wouldn't recommend an express up feature. that's asking for decapitations.

 

Just wanted to throw a little somthing into this; on my fathers car, a GM Opel Vectra there is both auto down and up. I havent looked into what makes it tick though.

 

Yeah, he's right.. when i've got the kids and the dog roll in the back seat of the IROC, they often mess with the window switches.. tends to be problematic..

 

Wait... I've no wife... i've no kids.. i've no dog.. and I definitely don't have a backseat...

Express roll up sounds good to me !!

 

Express up is imo what's most needed. Cause when your rolling them down, your most likely in the car driving, and then you can afford to wait a bit, but it's when you park you want them up.. and a bit faster too, not having your girlfriend stand by watching and waiting as the windows sloooowly goes upwards.

 

Just think: "I'm going to park in abou 5 seconds, better start putting up my windows."

 

its already there.

you jam the window, it adds stress to the motor (just like when the window hits its stops)

the motor overloads, the electric circuit braker opens, and the window stops moving.

simple. easy. and alot more reliable then "sophistacted sensors to check for obstructions in the windows path"

 

So I was out at the bone yards yesterday and found a 4th gen. I looked up under the driver's side and found 2 modules that look like the express down module talked about.
One had five wires coming from it (3 heavy gauge and 2 thin gauge). The second module had 4 heavy gauge wires coming from it. I bought that one.
It looks like I should have plenty of room to put the module under my console (under the switches)
Now I've got to try to figure out how to match up the wires to a 3rd gen switch. Anybody else done this mod yet?
It looks to me that the blue wire is the up, the brown is the down, the pink is the constant hot, and the black is ground on the switch.
But what are they on the module? It has 2 brown, a grey, and a blue

 

Put your arm in the way and roll it up. It won't stop until it tries to go through your bone. Think before you speak. Flesh/fat/muscle is a whole lot softer then a window stop and won't put enough load on the window motor to overheat and trip the breaker

 

check this out fellas, from the electronics board:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=321721

 

Okay, after checking out a 4th gen wiring schematic, it seems that I may be correct in the wiring. I have installed, and wired it up, but it does not work. The window functions normally. So either, I have picked-up a bad module, or my wiring skills need some work (probably both)..
I'll post back after I get it figured out, or if anyone has completed the 4th gen express down module mod, let me know how you got it worked out.

 

I assume you are all aware that AutoLoc has an express down module that works with any power windows.

Part# WC 1000.